Current Events > candace owens: Black Americans are the most murderous group in America

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Men stastically perform the most rapes, but most people would rightfully have a conniption if I said "Men are the rapiest group in America." That's not an accurate conclusion and only serves to sow problems.

Statistics are dangerous in the hands of idiots and bad actors.

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Fony posted...

So like saying white men are the most inclined to pedophilia right? I can kind of see your point.

Yes, exactly.

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Solar_Crimson posted...

When the fascists that she sucks up to so much takes over, she'll find that she'll be in the same boat as the rest of the Black population that she looks down on.

But I deleted that post, since it came out wrong

Understandable. I see what you mean.

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Umbreon posted...

They do. Just look at Neville Chamberlain. Of course, he didn't know what Hitler had in store for him once he was no longer of use.

None of 'the good ones' ever think they'll stop being useful.

Tell that to Ernst Rhm and the homosexual Nazis that got killed in the Night of the Long Knives.

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Dakimakura posted...

she hot though i wanna breed her

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Don't fall for that "race realism" bait post

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First I just want to point out an incredibly bad typo at the end of that article.

"Nor does the claim consider the fact that Black Americans are incinerated at higher rates than their white counterparts."

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murderers are the most murderous group

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bevan306 posted...

murderers are the most murderous group

100% of murderers have lungs. Coincidence?

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Cokewave posted...

I dont feel my statement is refuted - the quote is not saying black people are murderous, its that they are the most murderous by rate. I fully agree with you that shes being incendiary and just saying it to get people all riled up, but she specifically did say the word "rate" in her statement.

Its like if she said white people are least murderous group by rate. It would be a true statement but it doesnt mean that white people are peaceful and do not commit crimes. I'm just arguing over the semantics of her statement.

Heres the thing, the semantic structuring of ones language shouldnt be considered independent of the perceived meaning such structuring generally entails. She knew this, she just exploited it. If we judged peoples rhetoric just by the semantic structure of their language then you get people making statements like this all the time

Fony posted...

So like saying white men are the most inclined to pedophilia right? I can kind of see your point.

Which is clearly in bad faith

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hockeybub89 posted...

"jUsT pOStInG sTaTiStIcS"

https://youtu.be/ZPtOFuCj1Mc

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hockeybub89 posted...

100% of murderers have lungs. Coincidence?

As a murderer, I have to ask you to not generalize us.

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David1988 posted...

see this post:

Exactly, literally no racial group should be described as murderous even in relative terms. She used the term murderous precisely to be incendiary as is often her sthick, if she wanted to make a factual claim than just talk about the homicide rate, but she wants to push the perception that black people as a whole are dangerous, literally no other reason to use the word murderous otherwise

This. She knows exactly how it sounds when she says that. It's the same as the people that comment "Only 14% of the population" whenever a black person commits a crime. There's a very clear intent and that should not be defended.

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I think her phrasing was incendiary, but it seems that she was discussing on Tucker's show about how the media and/or the left portrays certain incidents when white people are involved. Which I think is often incendiary, too. Two wrongs don't make a right, but it doesn't seem she blurted that out of thin air.

From the article: "the left can pull a racist narrative from thin air where it doesnt exist. When it is actually in their face they try to avoid it.

Right before the Waukesha incident, CNN published an article with the headline of "There's nothing more frightening today than an angry White man"

What metric were they using? Were they being incendiary, too? I think things like that were what was what was being discussed on Tucker's show.

People who call out Candace Owens should also call out certain groups from the left or media portrayals of other groups, too. Sometimes that happens, sometimes it doesn't.

I think rhetoric needs to be toned down on all sides for us to come together as a nation again.

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Houston posted...

I think her phrasing was incendiary, but it seems that she was discussing on Tucker's show about how the media and/or the left portrays certain incidents when white people are involved. Which I think is often incendiary, too. Two wrongs don't make a right, but it doesn't seem she blurted that out of thin air.

From the article: "the left can pull a racist narrative from thin air where it doesnt exist. When it is actually in their face they try to avoid it.

Right before the Waukesha incident, CNN published an article with the headline of "There's nothing more frightening today than an angry White man"

What metric were they using? Were they being incendiary, too? I think things like that were what was what was being discussed on Tucker's show.

People who call out Candace Owens should also call out certain groups from the left or media portrayals of other groups, too. Sometimes that happens, sometimes it doesn't.

I think rhetoric needs to be toned down on all sides for us to come together as a nation again.

Shut the fuck up

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She's referring to crime statistics.

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Houston posted...

Right before the Waukesha incident, CNN published an article with the headline of "There's nothing more frightening today than an angry White man"

If thats true then CNN should certainly be called out just like Owens continuously incendiary rhetoric

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ThyCorndog posted...

she will never be considered white by her white supremacist viewers no matter how hard she tries

I never understood why POC Stan for these groups.
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TerraSeeker posted...

She's referring to crime statistics.

To an audience that already sees Black people as violent animals.

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Fony posted...

So like saying white men are the most inclined to pedophilia right? I can kind of see your point.

Source?

And are we going by what pedophilia actually means, as in sexually attracted to prepubescent children, or are we just making up our own definitions to words and using whatever the arbitrary age of consent is in any given place?

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David1988 posted...

If thats true then CNN should certainly be called out just like Owens continuously incendiary rhetoric

Yeah, I agree. We need to be united as a nation and not divided. But its just the same old same old. The left has talking heads just like the right does. Each side believes they're correct and the rhetoric just continues

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"Researched facts? Ewwwwwwwwww..." - Usual suspects in this topic



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Vicious_Dios posted...

"Researched facts? Ewwwwwwwwww..." - Usual suspects in this topic

So does this mean that conservatives are the biggest terrorist group in America? Just look at the stats on domestic terror in the U.S.

Weird how we hate how obsessed the left is with labels but "blacks are the most murderous" is fine because "muh statistics"

Mods: I am addressing Candace's shitty logic, not attacking all conservatives as terrorists

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Vicious_Dios posted...

"Researched facts? Ewwwwwwwwww..." - Usual suspects in this topic

A reason why people shouldn't be trusted to do their own research

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Candace would say COVID is no big deal because it hasn't even killed a million people, but we gotta watch out for them black people because a tiny minority of them killed more people than any other racial group?

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hockeybub89 posted...

Candace would say COVID is no big deal because it hasn't even killed a million people, but we gotta watch out for them black people because a tiny minority of them killed more people than any other racial group?

conservatives are only capable of being outraged when there's someone to blame. they get more upset about murder than they do disease or natural disasters. that's why they're always looking for someone specific to blame when things aren't going their way. fauci, biden, hillary, obama, pelosi, diblasio, cuomo, etc. any time something goes wrong they look for a person to blame. to them, something like covid is only bad if they can blame someone for it. they don't notice the hypocrisy of blaming someone for it while simultaneously downplaying the pandemic either, because they're almost universally liars or morons

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HairyQueen posted...

In 2018, there were 3,177 murders by black perpetrators.

There were about 42 million black people in the US at that time.

Assuming that all those murders were committed by a different offender, that makes .0075% of black Americans murderers.

So tell me again how black Americans are a murderous group? Youre choosing to group these 3,177 people by an arbitrary characteristic (race) because it suits your agenda, whereas there is no causal relationship there. Sounds like people who defend her statements might be a little racist themselves.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

Pulling from the US census for 2018,
https://www.census.gov/acs/www/data/data-tables-and-tools/data-profiles/2018/

The total population is 322,903,030 persons. People identifying as White totaled up to 234,904,818 or ~72.75% of the population. The black population totaled up to 40,916,113 persons, or 12.67% of the population. According to the FBI stats you linked, The amount of white offenders totaled to 3011 person while the amount of black offenders totaled to 3177. Similar enough, but taking into account populations, we as a black population are overrepresented as a ratio of offenders to the population of our race, 6x the amount of white offenders to the white population in the US. This is the logic Owens is using to make her sinister and controversial claim.

Mind you, this doesn't explain why we're overrepresented, which is more important and is worth exploring. Is this due to economic factors? Cultural issues? Home family structure problems? It is kind of lazy but technically true based on the above logic to label the black population as the most murderous group.

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The bitch is a sellout. Simple as that

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Ah yes, another gamefaqs topic where users are allowed to spout stereotypes while discussing the black community.

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Ce really hates a poc, especially a woman that doesn't agree with the echo chamber.

BeantownHero posted...

Ah yes, another gamefaqs topic where users are allowed to spout stereotypes type while discussing the black community.

But they have cherry-picked statistics on their side this time!

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Are those statistics just counting people who were actually convicted of murder

because white people tend to get away with a lot more shit in this country

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muchdran posted...

Ce really hates a poc, especially a woman that doesn't agree with the echo chamber.

Explain to the class which echo chamber narrative she is shattering here and what you agree with her about?

If half of half a percent of a group do a thing, but more than any other group, can you really claim that group is the most murderous? Even if technically true as a statistics nerd, what possible purpose could sharing this revelation serve? What misconception does it correct?

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How many people have White Americans ordered to death around the world using the power of the US Military?

BeantownHero posted...

Ah yes, another gamefaqs topic where users are allowed to spout stereotypes type while discussing the black community.

I guess the users doing that have me blocked because I dont see any.

And I wouldnt say theyre allowed, I said something not too long ago that wasnt even the slightest bit in a bad way and I got modded for it.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Explain to the class which echo chamber narrative she is shattering here and what you agree with her about?

If half of half a percent of a group do a thing, but more than any other group, can you really claim that group is the most murderous? Even if technically true as a statistics nerd, what possible purpose could sharing this revelation serve? What misconception does it correct?

If its true ? That means it true?

muchdran posted...

If its true ? That means it true?

So radical feminists are telling the truth when they say men are pigs?

Because men factually commit the most rapes?

Fuck no.

Are we going to ignore the facts that no group is murderous at all based on overall population?

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BeantownHero posted...

The bitch is a sellout. Simple as that

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muchdran posted...

Ce really hates a poc, especially a woman that doesn't agree with the echo chamber.

You say, about a sellout saying this shit in Tucker's own White supremacist echo chamber.

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its not racist if a black says it right?

Repeat after me, class.

Crime happens more in poor areas.

African-Americans are the poorest racial group overall in large part due to systematic racism.

It is still racist if you try to back up harmful stereotypes with out-of-context "statistics".

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She is a paid actor

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nah i think murderers are the most murderous group in america

why's it have to be about ra---ohhhh, its her.

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Fuck Candace Owens.

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Sad_Face posted...

Pulling from the US census for 2018,
https://www.census.gov/acs/www/data/data-tables-and-tools/data-profiles/2018/

The total population is 322,903,030 persons. People identifying as White totaled up to 234,904,818 or ~72.75% of the population. The black population totaled up to 40,916,113 persons, or 12.67% of the population. According to the FBI stats you linked, The amount of white offenders totaled to 3011 person while the amount of black offenders totaled to 3177. Similar enough, but taking into account populations, we as a black population are overrepresented as a ratio of offenders to the population of our race, 6x the amount of white offenders to the white population in the US. This is the logic Owens is using to make her sinister and controversial claim.

Mind you, this doesn't explain why we're overrepresented, which is more important and is worth exploring. Is this due to economic factors? Cultural issues? Home family structure problems? It is kind of lazy but technically true based on the above logic to label the black population as the most murderous group.

You arent revealing any information that isnt already known. Why would you assume there could be a cultural issue that exists among the black American population that causes .0075% of the 42 million individuals to commit murder? Why do the rest of those 42 million people somehow now share some relevant characteristic with those ~3000 murderers? And why is it framed as a problem with the group?

You can explore a problem without defending openly racist talking heads like Candace.

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When are we going to discuss the cultural problem of humans being killed by wood chippers? It factually happens tens of times.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Repeat after me, class.

Crime happens more in poor areas.

African-Americans are the poorest racial group overall in large part due to systematic racism.

It is still racist if you try to back up harmful stereotypes with out-of-context "statistics".

This is basically the answer.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Repeat after me, class.

Crime happens more in poor areas.

African-Americans are the poorest racial group overall in large part due to systematic racism.

It is still racist if you try to back up harmful stereotypes with out-of-context "statistics".

Tbf, it's reaching the point where systemic racism has kinda been the catch all argument for lack of black verticality to the point of literal laziness and there's a lot of questionable gaps in it being the catch all reason that still don't add up.

1. People who come to the US with language gaps and even less wealth than Americanized black people tend to have higher wealth verticality. This suggests that it's more than merely an issue of wealth or even lack of access to top tier education.
2. Speaking of education, black people are disproportionately likely to drop out of HS, which is definitely a black community PR problem that only they themselves can truly address.
3. African black people are not only one of the highest earning demographics, but also one of the least criminalized people in this country. Furthermore, people who come to this country with nothing and are low earners with language gaps are also usually in low income neighborhoods, yet they are still commiting much less violent crime...

The reality is, the truth is probably a bit inbetween systemic racism and what Candace advocates. It is a combination of both disadvantaged circumstance and constant emphasis on this disenfranchisement, that there is some magical politician one term away from fixing all of their problems, or the constant nihilism that racism is so strong and prevalent in this country that is an insurmountable obstacle to black people's success.

And as already pointed out in this topic, this isn't a 99.99% black people problem, it's just a problem prevalent in a very small percentage of the community that is struggling due to a variety of reasons. However, I think we've reached the point where dismissing a very high percentage of black crime (which is dispreportionately done to other black people) and homocide (again, dispreportionately done to other black people) as merely society at large being the ONLY or even the MAIN factor at this point...is part of the problem. If you are constantly spewing propoganda that the system is rigged, you are far more likely to give up (school disenfranchisement in the form of higher HS dropout and less college attendance) or fight against the system (commit crimes, resist/fight cops, etc.). There are people flocking to this country every day with worse financial straights (so no generational wealth either), a language gap to overcome, less affirmative action to assist in jobs or school assistance, that are still less likely to become disenfranchised and give up on the system or damage their own communities.

While there is absolutely external factors leading to all this (systemic racism: actually racist cops, racist people/business owners, generational financial disadvantage, etc.), there is an undeniable internal factor at play as well that often gets brushed under the rug (disenfranchisement: high HS dropout rates, college drop out rates, high crime both violent and otherwise in your own communities, etc.). It gets to a point where you're playing a bit TOO much devil's advocacy for criminals and how much their activity is based on society dealing them a bad hand, as plenty of poor people are out there not stealing and murdering, especially from their own communities.

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