Poll of the Day > Has the west ruined anime?

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Blightzkrieg
11/30/21 7:12:00 PM
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I suppose a better question might be "is the west finished ruining anime"

  • Anime is being bought up and redistributed by streaming giants, which provide low quality subs and encourage binge watching rather than following a weekly release schedule like kami intended
  • Anime has become saturated with references to Western culture, such as superhero capeshit, dungeons and dragons, and coffee
  • Anime has been coopted to produce adaptions of western properties (such as Star Wars or Sherlock Holmes) or simply been used as a mask for Western corporations to sell their shitty kids cartoons in a yellowface aesthetic
  • The number of lolis in anime has reduced significantly, with most of the lolis we get lately being worse, as they're often annoying exxagerated parodies or have noticeable boobs
  • The trend towards releasing anime films in theatres is the west is choking the traditional anime market, and is going to encourage the creation of large, event-style blockbusters at the expense of those who produce more niche and creative properties like timestop NTR


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MeadCore
11/30/21 7:13:33 PM
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Idk I dont like most of it. Most good anime seems to be the old stuff before it got really weird.

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shadowsword87
11/30/21 7:16:40 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
The number of lolis in anime has reduced significantly, with most of the lolis we get lately being worse, as they're often annoying exxagerated parodies or have noticeable boobs

I was going to make a joke about DnD existing in japan for a very long time, but, like, what the fuck man?
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Hop103
11/30/21 7:31:30 PM
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The UN ruined lolis however, the UN branch responsible for ruining lolis has been headed by the CCP for years and not the west, even though the west bears quite a bit of responsibility as well since the shitty crusade started when they still headed the human rights side of the UN.
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Metalsonic66
11/30/21 7:34:09 PM
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A+ satire, applause all around

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Lokarin
11/30/21 7:37:43 PM
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Looking at Ex-Arm I think anime does a good job ruining itself

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ReggieTheReckless
11/30/21 7:55:52 PM
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Blightzkrieg
11/30/21 8:00:10 PM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
A+ satire, applause all around
In this video, well explore how leftist influences prevented Nintendo from allowing depictions of pregnancy and childbirth in Fire Emblem Awakening, and how Nowi's character was negatively impacted by this change

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Dmess85
11/30/21 8:03:40 PM
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yugioh was censored in the west?

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dioxxys
11/30/21 8:16:07 PM
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I dont think any of the OPs concerns hold water, but....

Now that Sony headquarters was moved to California from Japan, Western ideals are being forced upon Japanese developers or their game will be barred from the Japanese console.

Cant wait til Sony finishes acquiring the best anime streaming website, Crunchyroll and starts fucking up things there. We already have dubs interjecting pop feminism into anime like Dragon Maid.
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Metalsonic66
11/30/21 8:58:23 PM
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Dmess85 posted...
yugioh was censored in the west?
SHADoW GaMeS

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Muscles
11/30/21 9:54:35 PM
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It's not like there was much to ruin...

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BlackScythe0
11/30/21 10:18:13 PM
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The west has nothing to do with the ever increasing number of sexualized children that get put into every anime to appeal to pedophiles.
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ParanoidObsessive
12/01/21 3:12:13 AM
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I get that the topic isn't actually serious, but...



Blightzkrieg posted...
Anime is being bought up and redistributed by streaming giants, which provide low quality subs and encourage binge watching rather than following a weekly release schedule like kami intended

I seem to recall discussion years ago that implied the anime industry had actually grown to the point where the weakening Japanese economy was actually killing it. Because it was essentially becoming too expensive to produce, and the Japanese market didn't generate enough revenue to keep animation studios alive. Which is why there was a spate of studios dying off, or animation getting outsourced to Korea where it was cheaper.

With the implication that, if not for the huge upsurge of interest in anime from the West (and the Western anime nerds' willingness to spend money on shows and merch), anime would pretty much be a dead genre in Japan at this point.

I know it was definitely brought up about Big O (which only got its second season at all because of the West's strong interest in the show), and how stuff like Trigun was basically considered a failure in Japan but was a huge success in the West, which was the main reason why it became a long-running show at all. And there are definitely other shows that seem to be way more popular with Western audiences than with the original Japanese market.

And then there's stuff like RWBY, which is basically pseudo-anime made in the West, but which the Japanese wound up loving...



Blightzkrieg posted...
Anime has become saturated with references to Western culture, such as superhero capeshit, dungeons and dragons, and coffee

I feel like anime has always referenced Western culture to some degree. Record of Lodoss War came out 30 years ago, and that was literally an anime based on a series of light novels that were based on the author's home D&D campaign. Lupin the Third is a direct reference to a detective from a series of French novels. Speed Racer was directly influenced by Elvis and James Bond. Rose of Versailles is set in the French Revolution. Gundam was actually inspired by Starship Troopers. Entire genres like magical girl, kamen, and sentai were basically born straight out of Disney princess and comic book hero influences.

And it's not limited to just anime. Final Fantasy was more or less a blatant D&D rip-off originally, and part of why D&D tropes and concepts are so ubiquitous in RPG-style games in general is at least partly from how much influence it had over the early video game industry. And the Japanese have always mined the shit out of Western culture for fantasy ideas, whether it be medieval knights and kingdoms, Norse and Greek mythology, or even heavily skewed Christian archetypes or overtones in certain works. And almost anything you see involving supernatural magical evil has a very strong chance of using Hermetic symbolism and demon names from the Lesser Key of Solomon rather than native Asian demons or myths.

A bunch of Kurosawa's most famous samurai films were basically just reinterpreted versions of Shakespeare plays (and Yojimbo was a reinterpretation of a Dashiell Hammett story - aka the guy who wrote The Maltese Falcon). The Japanese love of things like baseball and wrestling come straight from the West, and are older than most of us here.

The Japanese LOVE the West.

And hell, anime literally only exists in the first place because the Japanese really liked Disney and wanted to try and make their own version of it. Astro Boy (almost always acknowledged as one of the first anime shows ever and a massive influence of everything that came after) was explicitly based on Pinocchio, and explicitly referenced stuff by other American animation studios. Without the West, anime likely never exists at all (and likely manga as we know it doesn't exist either, considering how much of a debt it owes to the Western comic strip and comic book industries).
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Dmess85
12/01/21 11:10:21 AM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
SHADoW GaMeS

these ones?
https://yugioh.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Shadow_Games_(manga)

they wer cut from the show?

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EvilMegas
12/01/21 11:14:39 AM
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Nope. Light Novels and NEETs are ruining anime.

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Gaawa_chan
12/01/21 12:03:23 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
and coffee
Lol. True. Authentic anime only had tea and sake.

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Lokarin
12/01/21 12:12:24 PM
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coffeeu
green tea
coffeeu
green tea

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Blightzkrieg
12/01/21 12:52:13 PM
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Watching "is the order a rabbit" felt like seeing Hiroshima blow up in real time.

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Conner4REAL
12/01/21 1:06:22 PM
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The west actually created the greatest anime ever-

trey Parker and Matt Stones South Park episode good times with weapons that was a tribute/satire to anime also stands as the greatest anime ever ironically.


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Metalsonic66
12/01/21 1:38:44 PM
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Dmess85 posted...
they wer cut from the show?
Totes brosef

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UnMead
12/01/21 1:39:33 PM
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Samurai Pizza Cats

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Muscles
12/01/21 1:49:31 PM
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Conner4REAL posted...
The west actually created the greatest anime ever-

trey Parker and Matt Stones South Park episode good times with weapons that was a tribute/satire to anime also stands as the greatest anime ever ironically.
This is a take I can get behind

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Soup_or_Science
12/01/21 6:01:14 PM
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Everything is recycled, enjoy the ride

"just" "rust" eh

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Zareth
12/01/21 6:48:34 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
Watching "is the order a rabbit" felt like seeing Hiroshima blow up in real time.
Easily the dumbest name for an anime in the past 10 years.

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DirtBasedSoap
12/01/21 6:50:37 PM
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Corey in Da House is one of the greatest American animes of all time

not sure how you could watch that and then make a thread like this but whatever

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Zareth
12/01/21 6:50:43 PM
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Also why the fuck did they romanize it as "Fruits Basket" when "Fruit Basket" means the same thing and sounds infinitely less stupid?

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Judgmenl
12/01/21 7:15:47 PM
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No?

Also AotS is Mieruko-chan

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The_tall_midget
12/01/21 7:18:33 PM
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Not yet, but woke garbage like this isn't helping it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FpbxiAUSW8

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Judgmenl
12/01/21 7:22:10 PM
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That's not anime btw

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Metalsonic66
12/01/21 7:36:36 PM
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The_tall_midget posted...
woke garbage
Where does the woke part come in

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12/01/21 7:59:02 PM
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Conner4REAL posted...
The west actually created the greatest anime ever-

trey Parker and Matt Stones South Park episode good times with weapons that was a tribute/satire to anime also stands as the greatest anime ever ironically.

Agree 100%
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The_tall_midget
12/02/21 2:14:10 AM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
Where does the woke part come in

The creators pretty much confirming it's woke garbage. The show pretty much confirming what the creators said.

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The_tall_midget
12/02/21 2:14:53 AM
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Judgmenl posted...
That's not anime btw

Do you know why people refer to it as anime when it isn't? There is a nice story behind it.

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Metalsonic66
12/02/21 2:16:30 AM
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The_tall_midget posted...
The creators pretty much confirming it's woke garbage. The show pretty much confirming what the creators said.
Okay but where is the woke part

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UnMead
12/02/21 2:18:46 AM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
Okay but where is the woke part

they let women and blacks, CRT Islam Muslims -Like a third of Americans

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Blightzkrieg
12/02/21 2:26:01 AM
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Zareth posted...
Easily the dumbest name for an anime in the past 10 years.
Oh hey I didn't realize it had a third season, another thing to add to the bucket list

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What_The_Chris
12/02/21 5:06:07 AM
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Zareth posted...
Also why the fuck did they romanize it as "Fruits Basket" when "Fruit Basket" means the same thing and sounds infinitely less stupid?
it's the Demon's Souls vs Demon Souls all over again

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Judgmenl
12/02/21 5:08:33 AM
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The_tall_midget posted...
Do you know why people refer to it as anime when it isn't? There is a nice story behind it.
People? Content creators are not people.

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Archgoat
12/02/21 10:03:20 AM
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I know very little about anime, but I do know that coffee culture is huge in Japan. It kind of sounds like you are upset that your niche interest has become more mainstream. I get that it happens and can get watered down because of it.
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papercup
12/02/21 10:23:13 AM
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I can't think of a form of entertainment for committee driven or trash than anime. So no, the west didn't ruin anime, anime ruined anime.

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Johnny Eagle
12/02/21 10:35:24 AM
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Judgmenl posted...
People? Content creators are not people.

...........wut?

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The_tall_midget
12/02/21 12:16:42 PM
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UnMead posted...
they let women and blacks, CRT Islam Muslims -Like a third of Americans

Mead, I know you people obsess with what race, gender, and sexual orientation everyone is, but that's not for me; it's for you and the rest who virtue signal to hide the skeletons in your closets.

Now go back to having another existential crisis or something.

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Blightzkrieg
12/02/21 12:17:11 PM
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I don't even care what gender my anime waifus are

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EvilMegas
12/02/21 1:14:02 PM
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Then you've already lost.

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Arcturusisnow
12/02/21 1:36:51 PM
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Dmess85 posted...
yugioh was censored in the west?
Yep and it was horribly done too. As in, they did a shit job over at 4Kids that made it incredibly obvious that it was censored.
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Cruddy_horse
12/02/21 1:38:37 PM
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Arcturusisnow posted...
Yep and it was horribly done too. As in, they did a shit job over at 4Kids that made it incredibly obvious that it was censored.

I still don't think it's as bad as thier One Piece dub, atleast with YugiOh they had stupid hilarious moments.
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Arcturusisnow
12/02/21 1:41:16 PM
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Metalsonic66 posted...
Okay but where is the woke part
That would be right here with the creator.

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Metalsonic66
12/02/21 1:55:13 PM
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Coolness, but where is the woke part of the show? I watched the whole trailer, and it seems like just a cutesy cartoon like Sailor Moon or Little Witch Academia or Precure.

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