Current Events > Judge halts Biden vaccine mandate for health workers in 10 states

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"A federal court on Monday temporarily halted the Biden administrations COVID-19 vaccine mandate for health workers at hospitals that receive federal funding.
The ruling by a Missouri-based federal judge applies to health care employees in the 10 states that sued to block the administrations Nov. 5 rule. Those states are Alaska, Arkansas, Iowa, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota and Wyoming.
U.S. District Judge Matthew Schelp, a Trump appointee, appeared persuaded by the states argument that the mandate would lead to staffing shortages.
The scale falls clearly in favor of healthcare facilities operating with some unvaccinated employees, staff, trainees, students, volunteers and contractors, rather than the swift, irremediable impact of requiring healthcare facilities to choose between two undesirable choices providing substandard care or providing no healthcare at all, Schelp wrote in a 32-page order."

https://thehill.com/regulation/583397-judge-halts-biden-vaccine-mandate-for-health-workers-in-10-states

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What a fuckboy.

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This is so fucking terrifying. Another person that should be arrested for murder.

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Houston posted...

U.S. District Judge Matthew Schelp, a Trump appointee, appeared persuaded by the states argument that the mandate would lead to staffing shortages.

Antivax healthcare workers are an extreme minority. For every dipshit afraid of a little needle enough to fuck their own finances, theres a dozen actual decent and intelligent human beings to gladly take their place.

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Health care workers should be the ones that need to be vaccinated the most.

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The same people crying about how we need healthcare workers too much to worry about standards flip shit when the military lowers fitness standards to build numbers.

Maybe we should drop education requirements too. We could use more doctors, so maybe anyone with two hands that graduated high school should get hired.

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littlebro07 posted...

Antivax healthcare workers are an extreme minority. For every dipshit afraid of a little needle enough to fuck their own finances, theres a dozen actual decent and intelligent human beings to gladly take their place.

I think saying "being afraid of a needle" is pretty disingenuous. Needles aren't the concern for some people

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The people having a tantrum should read what the tc highlighted.

The scale falls clearly in favor of healthcare facilities operating with some unvaccinated employees, staff, trainees, students, volunteers and contractors, rather than the swift, irremediable impact of requiring healthcare facilities to choose between two undesirable choices providing substandard care or providing no healthcare at all, Schelp wrote in a 32-page order."

It's not because the judge is an anti-vaxxer, it's because of fear of mass exodus of healthcare workers. It's a tough spot to be in. Personally, I think that if you refuse to get vaccinated then you shouldn't work in healthcare. However, I also feel that all the unvaccinated leaving at once would create some problems of staff shortages and quality of care.

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Houston posted...

I think saying "being afraid of a needle" is pretty disingenuous. Needles aren't the concern for some people

I feel like you should accept the disingenuous label over the truthful one.

It's way less insulting.

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MiIkMan posted...

The people having a tantrum should read what the tc highlighted.

The scale falls clearly in favor of healthcare facilities operating with some unvaccinated employees, staff, trainees, students, volunteers and contractors, rather than the swift, irremediable impact of requiring healthcare facilities to choose between two undesirable choices providing substandard care or providing no healthcare at all, Schelp wrote in a 32-page order."

It's not because the judge is an anti-vaxxer, it's because of fear of mass exodus of healthcare workers. It's a tough spot to be in. Personally, I think that if you refuse to get vaccinated then you shouldn't work in healthcare. However, I also feel that all the unvaccinated leaving at once would create some problems of staff shortages and quality of care.

Oh well? Do a job properly or don't do it at all. If we have a firefighter shortage, should they start hiring people afraid of fire or climbing ladders?

They should also mandate masks in healthcare settings for the rest of eternity.

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hockeybub89 posted... Oh well? Do a job properly or don't do it at all. If we have a firefighter shortage, should they start hiring people afraid of fire or climbing ladders?

It seems like you didn't understand what you read.

hockeybub89 posted...

They should also mandate masks in healthcare settings for the rest of eternity.

I mean, do you have a reason for that or is it just something you want to say?


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Mr Hangman posted...

Hypothetically if an understaffed team of firefighters could put out ~60% of fires they were called to and a less understaffed team with all the same people plus some underqualified people put out ~80% of the fires they were called to, I think 20% of callers would be very glad for the extra help.

Funny that the people who want to scream at others for being "anti-science" are so averse to basic risk assessment and problems of tradeoffs.

Hypothetically you're in favor of making people with acrophobia climb 3-story ladders.


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Mr Hangman posted...

Hypothetically if an understaffed team of firefighters could put out ~60% of fires they were called to and a less understaffed team with all the same people plus some underqualified people put out ~80% of the fires they were called to, I think 20% of callers would be very glad for the extra help.

Considering how I doubt adding 6 random assholes to a fire squad would improve efficiency at all, let alone by such a huge amount, your hypothetical is completely fucking pointless.

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The fuck are you even saying?

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Mr Hangman posted...

No, in this metaphor, I'm in favor of letting the people who don't climb ladders continue to serve other roles, and you want to fire them.

Someone who can't climb ladders but can drive the truck is, in fact, fully qualified for the job.

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fuck nurses

Mr Hangman posted...

No, in this metaphor, I'm in favor of letting the people who don't climb ladders continue to serve other roles, and you want to fire them.

No one supporting the end of these mandates is advocating that all the anti-vax nurses be moved to non-patient facing roles. They just don't think vaccines and masks and a general caring for health should be a requirement in healthcare.

Wouldn't doing that actually betray their own argument? That having nurses is more important than having nurses that don't spread disease?

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That firefighter analogy is kind of dumb. It's more like you either have no firefighters or you have some firefighters who are possibly using flamethrowers instead of extinguishers.

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Houston posted...

littlebro07 posted...

Antivax healthcare workers are an extreme minority. For every dipshit afraid of a little needle enough to fuck their own finances, theres a dozen actual decent and intelligent human beings to gladly take their place.

I think saying "being afraid of a needle" is pretty disingenuous. Needles aren't the concern for some people

You're right. Believing bullshit conspiracy nuts is a much more valid reason. Sure is.

pegusus123456 posted...

That firefighter analogy is kind of dumb. It's more like you either have no firefighters or you have some firefighters who are possibly using flamethrowers instead of extinguishers.

Or rather that we have some firefighters, but having some extra that spray flames would be better than having less that only spray water and foam.

Just like how we'd solve a bus driver shortage by hiring drivers that refuse to take passengers, or doing something else that actually makes them shitty and useless at the job.

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we live in a society

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Rayman2943 posted...

fuck nurses

there's none of them left. they're all in porn now.
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Mr Hangman posted...

Right. And nurses who don't get vaccinated, while they are making a dumb choice for themselves and presenting some risk to others, might also reduce the risks overall for someone who needs to care they're fully qualified to provide and would otherwise not get in a staffing shortage.

So you'd be okay with some firefighting staff that might actually increase the spread of fires?

Hope they fully enforce the use of PPE though

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There are a lot of really dumb nurses out there

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The mandate would lead to staffing shortages. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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The firefighter analogy only works if you take the extra ones that you wouldnt have in scenario 1 and they refused protective gear before going into a burning building.
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hockeybub89 posted...

The same people crying about how we need healthcare workers too much to worry about standards flip shit when the military lowers fitness standards to build numbers.

Maybe we should drop education requirements too. We could use more doctors, so maybe anyone with two hands that graduated high school should get hired.

Its already happening. Hospitals are hiring midlevels and promoting their independent practice to save money. So be aware that if you expect to see a physician, you will probably see a clown with an online degree and no training, unsupervised.

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Mr Hangman posted...

No, in this metaphor, I'm in favor of letting the people who don't climb ladders continue to serve other roles, and you want to fire them.

Oh well. Shouldn't have gotten a job where climbing ladders regularly was required.

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WTF I had to get every vaccine known to man just to even ENTER paramedics training years ago.

Man this country is such fucking trash >__<

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Mr Hangman posted...

With a federal mandate, all this information has been thrown out the window by a small group of people who believe they for some reason know better than every healthcare facility in the country

That group of people being the Department of Health and Human Services.

Y'know, clearly just some yahoos.

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Conservative should be changed to "Irrationally paranoid and stubborn"

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