Current Events > I've kind of come full circle on this rittenhouse thing but

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I still think it's fucking mental that you can walk around the streets in america with a big ass rifle and if anyone gives you shit you can just...shoot them

weird country

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Getting hit with a skateboard and having a gun pointed at your face is a few levels above "giving you shit" but that's a way to put it I guess

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I think there's a pretty big gap between instigating a conflict and being put into a position where you legitimately feared for your life and safety. That's where the courts come into to contextualize how large or small that gap might have been relative to circumstances.

I also think that anyone who grew up in a less than stellar neighborhood knows that you shouldn't fuck with random folks because you have no idea what they've gone through, what they're packing, and what they might be capable of. Rittenhouse had his gun visible; regardless of your feelings about him carrying, I'm not entirely sure what was anticipated when you violently confront someone who is open carrying a rifle.

I personally wouldn't hang out or associate with Rittenhouse. I don't think vigilantism is the answer to any violent or non-violent situation that doesn't directly involve you, and viewed from the opposite ideology, events like the protests/riots that lead up to the event historically turn districts red, so Rittenhouse getting involved wasn't even good for "his team" in the short term looking at it purely pragmaticaly.

I think he exhibited poor judgment in being there, but he's a dumb kid, I could feign surprise, but it would be dishonest.


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sauceje posted...

Getting hit with a skateboard and having a gun pointed at your face is a few levels above "giving you shit" but that's a way to put it I guess

They had the same self defense right to kill Rittenhouse.

No you simply can't walk around streets in america with a rifle and shoot at anyone who gives you the stink eye...
In some states you are allowed to wield a firearm but that alone does not give you the right to shoot anyone at will.
What many people seem to forget is that some of these laws are very old and were never modernized as people nowadays no longer have to worry about defending themselves from potentially dangerous animals such as wolves or bears, defend their livestock from coyotes or bandits/thieves lurking dark alleys.

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sauceje posted...

Getting hit with a skateboard and having a gun pointed at your face is a few levels above "giving you shit" but that's a way to put it I guess

I agree but really my point is that walking around with a rifle is gonna attract or cause trouble, it ain't gonna de-escalate shit

Legally I think the right verdict was made and I agree that he was defending himself but I just don't imagine any scenario being improved by you walking around with a big as rifle strapped to your chest

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Homeless_Waifu posted...

bandits/thieves lurking dark allies

I know you probably didn't mean it, but this is coded language for a particular group of people.

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pinky0926 posted...

I agree but really my point is that walking around with a rifle is gonna attract or cause trouble, it ain't gonna de-escalate shit

Legally I think the right verdict was made and I agree that he was defending himself but I just don't imagine any scenario being improved by you walking around with a big as rifle strapped to your chest

Correct.

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CyricZ posted...

I know you probably didn't mean it, but this is coded language for a particular group of people.

Sorry that was a typo, I meant to write alleys or alleyways...

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Homeless_Waifu posted...

Sorry that was a typo, I meant to write alleys or alleyways...

No I know what you meant to write. I'm saying that whenever people were sold on the idea of "protecting themselves from bandits/thieves/criminals", historically this is coded language for whatever was the undesirable group at the time.

Native Americans, certain ethnicities, black people in general.

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If you want some more craziness. Having a gun gives some people stupid levels of unnecessary courage

A pregnant librarian in Florida intentionally hit a motorcyclist during a road rage incident and fled the scene. The motorcyclist followed her home. She came outside with a handgun; the motorcyclist was armed, so he shot her several times and killed her. https://t.co/I1isaKfUUs
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Homeless_Waifu posted...

No you simply can't walk around streets in america with a rifle and shoot at anyone who gives you the stink eye...

Lmao Jesus Christ do you really think this is be how it went down? The things people make up in their heads in order to hate Kyle. We literally have multiple videos from different angles of a guy who threatened to kill him multiple times that night chasing him down in the streets, is warned by Kyle saying "friendly friendly" and still attempts to attack him.

the strangest part about it is how he put himself into the situation instead of just staying on the couch with his dumbass.

He actively provoked the whole thing because he wanted to play pretend hero


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ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...

the strangest part about it is how he put himself into the situation instead of just staying on the couch with his dumbass.

He actively provoked the whole thing because he wanted to play pretend hero

Who is allowed at the protests then? If you live 20 minutes away from a city you usually frequent and have connections to, why stay at home if you feel like you could make an impact?

And do note that he helped clean up the town, and he was filmed putting out a fire that was intended to blow up a gas station.

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ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...

the strangest part about it is how he put himself into the situation instead of just staying on the couch with his dumbass.

He actively provoked the whole thing because he wanted to play pretend hero

Maybe the rioters should have stayed on their couches too instead trying to play being anarchists

I think LegalEagle put it best. It was a severely fucked up situation that was legally justified by a complicated (if not lax) state law, but by reaching that conclusion, if the scenario were reversed and Rosenbaum or someone else had killed Rittenhouse, you'd have to reach the same conclusion to be consistent.

Sad_Face posted...

why stay at home if you feel like you could make an impact?

we saw why lmao

let the police and law enforcement do what they are there for. No need for morons with big guns going vigilante apparently.


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treewojima posted...

I think LegalEagle put it best. It was a severely fucked up situation that was legally justified by a complicated (if not lax) state law, but by reaching that conclusion, if the scenario were reversed and Rosenbaum or someone else had killed Rittenhouse, you'd have to reach the same conclusion to be consistent.

If the situations were the same, yes. I don't see how someone shooting Rittenhouse as he's fleeing and they're chasing him would have the same self-defense protections.

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Gangs of New York had it right. Back when honor carried weight and a life was second to your word

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ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...

we saw why lmao
let the police and law enforcement do what they are there for. No need for morons with big guns going vigilante apparently.

You ignored the part where he did a lot more than "play vigilante".

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DeadBankerDream posted...

If the situations were the same, yes. I don't see how someone shooting Rittenhouse as he's fleeing and they're chasing him would have the same self-defense protections.

Gaige isn't getting attempted murder charges because he genuinely believed Rittenhouse was an active shooter.

Again I don't question the legal justification for his actions and morally I can see that he had to defend himself and used the weapon he had to hand to do so. So far so good.

But maybe it's because I'm not american but the idea of showing up to a riot (and sure, let's call it a riot) with a rifle...like what did anyone think was going to happen? Is that normal rational behaviour? Does a car dealership mean so much to you that you're prepared to pop some people over it

I just can't get over the fact that he turned up with a loaded rifle in the first place.

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ButteryMales posted...

Gaige isn't getting attempted murder charges because he genuinely believed Rittenhouse was an active shooter.

That's reasonable, I agree. I was more so responding to the mention of Rosenbaum.

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CyricZ posted...

I know you probably didn't mean it, but this is coded language for a particular group of people.

since when?

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pinky0926 posted...

But maybe it's because I'm not american but the idea of showing up to a riot (and sure, let's call it a riot) with a rifle...like what did anyone think was going to happen? Is that normal rational behaviour? Does a car dealership mean so much to you that you're prepared to pop some people over it

I just can't get over the fact that he turned up with a loaded rifle in the first place.

Therein lies the problem in my eyes as well. Because of the strict constitutional protections on firearms, it's generally legal, but is legality really the question here, or should we start questioning the broad application and downright worship of the Second Amendment?

(thats not a milquetoast assessment, I lean very much the rational way)

sauceje posted...

Getting hit with a skateboard and having a gun pointed at your face is a few levels above "giving you shit" but that's a way to put it I guess

Yeah, same with throwing a bag and having a gun pointed in your face

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itachi15243 posted...

Yeah, same with throwing a bag and having a gun pointed in your face

Again rossenbuam threatened to kill him multiple times that night, he was chasing him down in the streets, Kyle wasn't aware he didn't have a weapon and it was after throwing the bag that someone behind him fired their gun off in the air.

Didn't Rosenbaum try to take Rittenhouse's gun when he shot him? At least that's what Rittenhouse is alledging I think.

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pinky0926 posted...

if anyone gives you shit

You mean chase you down, beat you with a skateboard, and try to shoot you with a pistol?

skermac posted...

since when?

Since fucking always.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

Didn't Rosenbaum try to take Rittenhouse's gun when he shot him? At least that's what Rittenhouse is alledging I think.

Thats what Kyle testified the, but on video He ran towards him after having a gun pointed in his face.

Any rational person would try to take a gun from a person in front of them like that. Especially after hearing gunshots. In that moment he probably thought Kyle was trying to kill him already.

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itachi15243 posted...

Yeah, same with throwing a bag and having a gun pointed in your face

This is always the most dishonest take.

Rosenbaum wasn't shot because he threw a bag, he was shot because he was trying to run down Rittenhouse and lunged for his gun.

Sad_Face posted...

You ignored the part where he did a lot more than "play vigilante".

you mean I ignored the fact that he put out a fire and cleaned up? :D

good job Kyle! You did what anyone else could have done without a gun and without shooting people!

why have fire fighters, street sweepers and insurances when you can have vigilante morons who do all that and also shoot people for you!?


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pinky0926 posted...

I agree but really my point is that walking around with a rifle is gonna attract or cause trouble, it ain't gonna de-escalate shit

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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

This does not change my opinion

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pinky0926 posted...

This does not change my opinion

Seems like it must because this is just a black vs white culture war and people are just made that the now oppressed white people have won one, right?

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ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...

you mean I ignored the fact that he put out a fire and cleaned up? :D

good job Kyle! You did what anyone else could have done without a gun and without shooting people!

why have fire fighters, street sweepers and insurances when you can have vigilante morons who do all that and also shoot people for you!?

This implies there's no need for volunteers.

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dioxxys posted...

Again rossenbuam threatened to kill him multiple times that night, he was chasing him down in the streets, Kyle wasn't aware he didn't have a weapon and it was after throwing the bag that someone behind him fired their gun off in the air.

Can you charge a dead man with attempted murder? Thatd be interesting

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pinky0926 posted...

Again I don't question the legal justification for his actions and morally I can see that he had to defend himself and used the weapon he had to hand to do so. So far so good.

But maybe it's because I'm not american but the idea of showing up to a riot (and sure, let's call it a riot) with a rifle...like what did anyone think was going to happen? Is that normal rational behaviour? Does a car dealership mean so much to you that you're prepared to pop some people over it

I just can't get over the fact that he turned up with a loaded rifle in the first place.

Well I can't get over the fact that Rittenhouse's critics and haters seem to have no problems with lawless riots and orgies of destruction and violence ( just as long as it's a city far away from their comfortable suburbs).

It's in the Media's best interest for widescale riots as well. Better ratings! And how dare some vigilante show up and try to save a gas station!

Some people actually think it's ok for the protesters to have guns but not Rittenhouse, which doesn't make sense to me at all.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Since fucking always.

I have never once though of any particular race when thinking of dark alleyways and bandits or thieves. You guys are really reaching.

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fan357 posted...

I have never once though of any particular race when thinking of dark alleyways and bandits or thieves. You guys are really reaching.

They have a whole bunch of awful stuff memorized and on their mind 24 hours a day, then expect 100% of the worlds population to be exactly the same.

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fan357 posted...

I have never once though of any particular race when thinking of dark alleyways and bandits or thieves. You guys are really reaching.

and they think it's everybody else who's racist

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fan357 posted...

I have never once though of any particular race when thinking of dark alleyways and bandits or thieves. You guys are really reaching.

Hey good for you. You're not everyone, nor are you historically applicable going back hundreds of years.

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Being at a riot with a gun probably won't descalate things.

However a pedophile at a riot who is willing to try and kill people over nothing and probably just wants to burn stuff down is probably not looking for descalation either

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