Current Events > DoorDash drivers not taking orders unless they get a good tip prior

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ModLogic posted...

or maybe people are sick of dealing with karen and ken entitled who all have different expectations of how much they think they are worth in tips.

Like you?

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no like your kind

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ModLogic posted...

am i complaining about price? im pretty sure im ok with paying higher prices for food if it means they get rid of the tipping culture bullshit so unskilled entitled workers cant exploit it.

Do you not understand if they get rid of tips then they will raise prices to pay the wages? Thats how a business works. They wont just eat that cost.

At least you have an option currently. I dont get why youre so upset with people getting paid while they help you out but its incredibly dumb

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fr_e_shavoca_do posted...

why are people arguing with ModLogic, it's literally a joke account

and based on the way they type they probably live in the UK so arguing with them about DoorDash issues here is pointless

Oh, I know theyre totally trolling, so its more just to get the true info out there regarding the mechanics of how this works on the driver side of things for those that arent aware and care at all.

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MrDrMan posted...

they get rid of tips then they will raise prices to pay the wages

yes please raise the prices. and pay the drivers min wage like they are worth.

solves the problem right? drivers now get paid properly. no more random pay.

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TsunamiFox posted...

Uh, I absolutely do get to choose how much I tip. Hell, the only reason I tip at all on DD is cause otherwise no one would pick it up. They can take the three bucks the delivery is worth or leave it.

and if they leave it, stop crying and adjust.

McDonald's wants to add on an additional 60 percent in fees and wants you to tip? Sack up and get the food yourself


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SamuelLJackdson posted...

This picture went viral for Mcdonalds DoorDash orders piling up cause drivers werent accepting the orders due to poor tips when the orders were placed. And Ive seen this trend on social media where Uber drivers and DoorDash drivers arent accepting customers/orders unless theyre getting a good tip beforehand. I dont blame them, they have every right to pick and choose what to take.

But Ive always been someone who tipped based off service. I tip well for good service, and still tip 15-20% for terrible service. Im not familiar with DoorDash - are you allowed to modify a tip after the order? I feel like drivers should be rewarded for excellent service and vice versa. Tipping before a service seems a bit strange to me.

Why is it optional?

This is like buying from amazon but being given the option of not paying for shipping charges, then you not receiving your stuff that you paid for. It should be part of the final cost when you place your order.

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fr_e_shavoca_do posted...

why are people arguing with ModLogic, it's literally a joke account

and based on the way they type they probably live in the UK so arguing with them about DoorDash issues here is pointless

Im bored and hes trolling but theres people that actually think like this and dont understand.

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if it wasnt optional then it would be set prices like amazons delivery prices. that means a set wage for the worker. that means min wage. you think these people crying about low tips will be happy with min wage?

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BeantownHero posted...

and if they leave it, stop crying and adjust.

McDonald's wants to add on an additional 60 percent in fees and wants you to tip? Sack up and get the food yourself

Nah fam, someone is gonna take it. DD has died off a lot in my area so the dashers don't have many options. I do agree fuck these restaurants for upcharging the food prices so damn much. I get DD takes a cut but you can easily tell which places upcharge a reasonable amount and which ones don't.

Also fuck you, maybe I'm tired after an 11 hour workday and don't have the energy to go out or cook.

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The thing with doordash is that its better to tip by distance and not percentage. If its a $15 order from McDonald and its 10 miles away, then your crappy $3 tip (20%) isnt worth it. I always look up how far a restaurant is from me and tip accordingly

TsunamiFox posted...

Nah fam, someone is gonna take it. DD has died off a lot in my area so the dashers don't have many options. I do agree fuck these restaurants for upcharging the food prices so damn much. I get DD takes a cut but you can easily tell which places upcharge a reasonable amount and which ones don't.

Also fuck you, maybe I'm tired after an 11 hour workday and don't have the energy to go out or cook.

Like you would know how much business DoorDash does. Dashers have plenty of options.

People will lose money on small orders. They arent dumb.

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MrDrMan posted...

Cry moar. The irony of saying someone is entitled for not wanting to deliver your food to your doorstep for free is hilarious. Get it yourself or cry to someone who cares.

Doesn't doordash pay them a salary?

Lyrica posted...

Doesn't doordash pay them a salary?

No. Drivers are paid by job and the payment is a combination of the base pay + tips

Cleo_II posted...

The thing with doordash is that its better to tip by distance and not percentage. If its a $15 order from McDonald and its 10 miles away, then your crappy $3 tip (20%) isnt worth it. I always look up how far a restaurant is from me and tip accordingly

This is the way

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MrDrMan posted...

Like you would know how much business DoorDash does. Dashers have plenty of options.

People will lose money on small orders. They arent dumb.

Trust me. I've ordered enough to notice the patterns. Most of them camp out around the main road in the center of town where the popular stores are and just grab whatever comes up.

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TsunamiFox posted...

Trust me. I've ordered enough to notice the patterns. Most of them camp out around the main road in the center of town where the popular stores are and just grab whatever comes up.

I assure you that the majority of drivers are declining shitty or no tip orders.

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MrDrMan posted...

No. DoorDash sends orders to drivers. Drivers can then see how much they will make and accept or decline the order. When nobody accepts the order it isnt delivered. Thats whats happening here.

DoorDash has no mandatory acceptance rate. When I was driving my acceptance rate wasnt even 20% meaning I only accepted two out of ten orders. Thats how it works. Thats why I keep explaining to people youre not buying anything and dashers arent obligated to deliver. If you dont tip and nobody delivers youre shit out of luck. DoorDash cant punish the driver for that.

If these orders stayed undelivered, what happens? Im assuming the customer gets refunded and DD eats the cost?

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CE_gonna_CE posted...

I assure you that the majority of drivers are declining shitty or no tip orders.

Good thing 3 bucks isn't a shitty tip

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SamuelLJackdson posted...

If these orders stayed undelivered, what happens? Im assuming the customer gets refunded and DD eats the cost?

Exactly what happens. If people would tip and this didnt happen so much I would assume fees could go down since there would be less expenses. I might be wrong on that but Im 100% positive DoorDash just takes the loss on these. The restaurants dont care because they get paid either way and employees get free food.

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TsunamiFox posted...

Good thing 3 bucks isn't a shitty tip

Its ok. If base pay is $3 the total is $6, so depending on the distance it might be worth it. A lot of other factors can go into the decision to accept or not though in addition to distance.

Another note which folks might not realize: DoorDash doesnt steal tips, but they hide them. e.g. - you tip $10 up front in the app, but DoorDash might only show the order as $6.50 to the driver. The driver wont see the full (hypothetical) $13 payout until after they deliver.

They do this to try to keep drivers from cherry picking orders, but drivers that have been around a while are aware of this and its a pain in the ass. Sucks for the good folks like Cleo who might try to give more up front, but its something DD seems to have no interest in changing anytime soon.

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Pre-tipping is bullshit. I don't use share apps for food delivery anyway because the fees alone are ludicrous, but now you have to pre-tip to ensure it's delivered as well? Fuck that backwards ass shit, it's like tipping a server before sitting down at the table.

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That's how the gig economy works. They're not employees. They're welcome to decline if they don't think it's worth the amount they're being offered.
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ModLogic posted...

yes please raise the prices. and pay the drivers min wage like they are worth.

solves the problem right? drivers now get paid properly. no more random pay.

Drivers are automatically worth more than minimum wage considering gas, vehicle wear, and the general hazards of a driving job. No one will ever take a delivery job at minimum wage, so enjoy picking up your own orders!

MrDrMan posted...

DoorDash cant punish the driver for that.

If it keeps happening to where DD starts losing money for having to reimburse the customer who didnt get there food, they might start punishing drivers who turn down too many request, or might change how it works Maybe
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LinkPizza posted...

If it keeps happening to where DD starts losing money for having to reimburse the customer who didnt get there food, they might start punishing drivers who turn down too many request, or might change how it works Maybe

They currently have a Top Dasher program in place where you have keep your acceptance rate above a certain level (70%, I think?) to stay in the program. The benefits are not great at all really, as the program only really benefits DD since they help clear shitty orders, but I know there are folks who try to stay in the program.

Thats not the majority though, and regular drivers who know whats up typically stay in the 10-20% range.

It certainly is possible that DD will try to do things to keep drivers from cherry picking, but theyre obviously ok with things how they are now. You also could run into issues where theyre inviting lawsuits where the lines between independent contractor and employees could get blurred. So who knows.

Uber is testing out something in a limited capacity whereby if your acceptance drops below a certain rate, they hide the pickup and delivery addresses when displaying the order. Its super shitty for them to do, but yeah, these companies know exactly what drivers are doing and will do whatever they can to manage it and keep profits high.

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Scintillant posted...

I would never give an hour of my life away for $7.25. I'm sorry you value your time so little.

I guess that fine. Though, some people need to live, and take jobs like that to live until they can get something better

MrDrMan posted...

If you are so skilled and make so much money why are you complaining about price so much? You sound like one broke mother fucker.

Just because someones rich doesnt mean they want to waste money

MrDrMan posted...

Do you not understand if they get rid of tips then they will raise prices to pay the wages? Thats how a business works. They wont just eat that cost.

Based on his posts, he said he was ok with it

Lyrica posted...

Doesn't doordash pay them a salary?

I would definitely hope not. I only say that because that would be weird if they were kid a salary, but could also decline all the orders Haha

TheOtherMike posted...

Drivers are automatically worth more than minimum wage considering gas, vehicle wear, and the general hazards of a driving job. No one will ever take a delivery job at minimum wage, so enjoy picking up your own orders!

Probably not DD. But an actual delivery job like for pizza. I think its different how they do things

CE_gonna_CE posted...

They currently have a Top Dasher program in place where you have keep your acceptance rate above a certain level (70%, I think?) to stay in the program. The benefits are not great at all really, as the program only really benefits DD since they help clear shitty orders, but I know there are folks who try to stay in the program.

Thats not the majority though, and regular drivers who know whats up typically stay in the 10-20% range.

It certainly is possible that DD will try to do things to keep drivers from cherry picking, but theyre obviously ok with things how they are now. You also could run into issues where theyre inviting lawsuits where the lines between independent contractor and employees could get blurred. So who knows.

Uber is testing out something in a limited capacity whereby if your acceptance drops below a certain rate, they hide the pickup and delivery addresses when displaying the order. Its super shitty for them to do, but yeah, these companies know exactly what drivers are doing and will do whatever they can to manage it and keep profits high.

Its shitty, but absolutely makes sense. I mean, they want to make money, and cant do that if they dont have any customers because drivers keep declining them. Especially for DD who has to eat the cost of the meals. Its ok now, but itll eventually get to them. It seems like more and more drivers are declining because of bad/no tips, meaning more costs that DD has to eat
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LinkPizza posted...

If it keeps happening to where DD starts losing money for having to reimburse the customer who didnt get there food, they might start punishing drivers who turn down too many request, or might change how it works Maybe

They dont have enough drivers to do that. Theyd lose drivers. Thats the whole upside is the freedom to work when you want and accept/decline orders when you want.


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MrDrMan posted...

They dont have enough drivers to do that. Theyd lose drivers. Thats the whole upside is the freedom to work when you want and accept/decline orders when you want.

Freedom to work would be fine if they werent losing money. Every time all the drivers decline a meal, they have to eat that costs. Eventually, they wont want to. And may change the rules. Maybe theyll require you to have a decent acceptnrate to keep working for them. Or maybe theyll take a page from Ubers page where they dont show all the information beforehand so people are my cherry picking
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Gwynevere posted...

The venn diagram of people who think service workers should be paid more, and people who think they should get tipped better is pretty much a circle, so I'm not sure what you're even trying to say here

I am firmly in group 1 and firmly not in group 2. Tipping is not necessary for a good service industry. Most of the world does not do it. Pay your goddamn workers and if you need to increase the prices then do that.

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Sonic Cannon posted...

I am firmly in group 1 and firmly not in group 2. Tipping is not necessary for a good service industry. Most of the world does not do it. Pay your goddamn workers and if you need to increase the prices then do that.

As someone who spent four years serving and living off of tips, this. This so much.

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Gwynevere posted...

The venn diagram of people who think service workers should be paid more, and people who think they should get tipped better is pretty much a circle, so I'm not sure what you're even trying to say here

Nope. Get rid of tips entirely and pay your workers. Fuck tip culture

Sonic Cannon posted...

I am firmly in group 1 and firmly not in group 2. Tipping is not necessary for a good service industry. Most of the world does not do it. Pay your goddamn workers and if you need to increase the prices then do that.

TsunamiFox posted...

As someone who spent four years serving and living off of tips, this. This so much.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Nope. Get rid of tips entirely and pay your workers. Fuck tip culture

Id really like to hear the explanation of how people think companies could eliminate tips and keep prices in the same stratosphere. A server usually makes like $2 an hour base pay. To even make the job attractive theyd have to pay servers minimum $20 an hour. How do you accomplish that without prices skyrocketing which people will then complain about? It really isnt feasible. Restaurants operate on pretty thin margins as it is. I really dont understand why people would rather pay non-negotiable prices over just leaving a tip. Theres nothing better about not having an option.

The best part about serving is that you can make potentially really good money while not even working full time hours and can avoid a lot of taxes. If you take that away then the job has lost all appeal.

People that say eliminate tip culture arent doing so in the interest of service workers.

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As a Doordash driver, this isnt surprising really

Most of our money comes from tips. Base pay is like $2 and im not moving my car for less than $8-10 (depends on distance too)

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MrDrMan posted...

Id really like to hear the explanation of how people think companies could eliminate tips and keep prices in the same stratosphere. A server usually makes like $2 an hour base pay. To even make the job attractive theyd have to pay servers minimum $20 an hour. How do you accomplish that without prices skyrocketing which people will then complain about? It really isnt feasible. Restaurants operate on pretty thin margins as it is. I really dont understand why people would rather pay non-negotiable prices over just leaving a tip. Theres nothing better about not having an option.

I say this from the perspective of a person who lives in a country where tipping has never been normal, and there has never been a second-class minimum wage for service workers. I don't know what prices are like at restaurants there, but here are some points for comparison:

• Minimum wage here is $20nzd/h (13.64USD). Most waitstaff will be on $20-25, with senior people (e.g. service manager) at higher end places on $30-40/h
• Prices in NZD (including all taxes - multiply by x0.68 for conversion to USD) for a main meal at a restaurant will be $13-20 at a somewhere like a family-run asian restaurant. $25-30 at a midrange place and $35-40 at a high end award-winning restaurant. Drinks will be ~$5 for non-alcoholic, $8-12 for a beer/wine and $15-20 for a cocktail.

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Sonic Cannon posted...

I say this from the perspective of a person who lives in a country where tipping has never been normal, and there has never been a second-class minimum wage for service workers. I don't know what prices are like at restaurants there, but here are some points for comparison:

* Minimum wage here is $20nzd/h (13.64USD). Most waitstaff will be on $20-25, with senior people (e.g. service manager) at higher end places on $30-40/h
* Prices in NZD (including all taxes - multiply by x0.68 for conversion to USD) for a main meal at a restaurant will be $13-20 at a somewhere like a family-run asian restaurant. $25-30 at a midrange place and $35-40 at a high end award-winning restaurant. Drinks will be ~$5 for non-alcoholic, $8-12 for a beer/wine and $15-20 for a cocktail.

I dont know man. Not saying its not possible but it has to be feasible for businesses and lawmakers to consider it. Feasible for the business as well as potential staff.

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The fact that most of the world has been able to pull it off throughout history should be enough to demonstrate that it is feasible, surely?

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Fuck DoorDash. Fuck UberEats. Fuck GrubHub. These are predatory companies that screw the restaurants AND their own delivery drivers. I won't support them.

when he says not feasable. he means the tipping extortion will no longer be feasable if tipping culture is abolished.

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MrDrMan posted...

Id really like to hear the explanation of how people think companies could eliminate tips and keep prices in the same stratosphere. A server usually makes like $2 an hour base pay. To even make the job attractive theyd have to pay servers minimum $20 an hour. How do you accomplish that without prices skyrocketing which people will then complain about? It really isnt feasible. Restaurants operate on pretty thin margins as it is. I really dont understand why people would rather pay non-negotiable prices over just leaving a tip. Theres nothing better about not having an option.

The best part about serving is that you can make potentially really good money while not even working full time hours and can avoid a lot of taxes. If you take that away then the job has lost all appeal.

People that say eliminate tip culture arent doing so in the interest of service workers.

Just pay servers the same they pay their other employees. If prices go up a couple bucks so be it. Also servers would more than likely still make tips. Not as much probably but at least then it would be earned and not guilted.

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I mean, what would be terrible service for a door dash driver? The made a half hour pit stop and ate half your shit?

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Solid Snake07 posted...

I mean, what would be terrible service for a door dash driver? The made a half hour pit stop and ate half your shit?

Asking for a tip

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Asking for a tip

Doesn't sound like they are asking. They just aren't gonna waste their time delivering fast food to people who don't.

Fair play to them. If you don't want to tip your driver you can take your own lazy ass down to McDonalds.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

If you don't want to tip your driver you can take your own lazy ass down to McDonalds.

so is it fine to not pay the delivery fee and only give a tip? like if theres a $10 delivery fee and a $10 tip, just pay the tip and not the delivery fee

Sonic Cannon posted...

The fact that most of the world has been able to pull it off throughout history should be enough to demonstrate that it is feasible, surely?

Not really. You said servers make $14 USD which isnt feasible at all. Every server I know would quit at that pay. Its shit pay.

Servers in New Zealand arent accustomed to making $30 an hour. Give them that kind of pay and see how they respond when you tell them youre cutting it in half and taxing more.


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yeah I don't think people realize how bad restaurant service would get if servers didn't get tips

most of the good servers I've been friends with made $20+/hr easily. one girl I knew would make 200-300 on one Friday night sometimes

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TsunamiFox posted...

Just pay servers the same they pay their other employees. If prices go up a couple bucks so be it. Also servers would more than likely still make tips. Not as much probably but at least then it would be earned and not guilted.

Why? What does this accomplish? Youre not gonna save money if every menu item goes up a few bucks. I dont get how thats a better solution.

This only seems to be an issue for people who dont like to tip. As someone who tips well I dont want all prices to go up just because of non tippers. If you dont want to tip you dont have to.

Once again there is nothing good about lacking an option. Besides that see how fast service decline when your waiter doesnt have to do anything more than bare minimum to get paid.


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MrDrMan posted...

Every server I know would quit at that pay.

goes to show the entitled attitude from tipping culture. "its shit pay" because its a role that requires no skill.

also note that most people have no issue with raising menu prices of it means not dealing with entitled gig workers. the only ones that are against it all work in the industry. kind of sus.

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