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Lebronwon
11/12/21 11:52:45 PM
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https://www.newsweek.com/jordan-peterson-says-covid-vaccine-mandates-imitate-totalitarian-states-1648467

Controversial Canadian author and psychologist Jordan Peterson has blasted COVID-19 vaccine mandates as an imitation of "a totalitarian state." The self-proclaimed "professor against political correctness" said that COVID-19 policy was "being driven by people who are more afraid than they should be" during an appearance on the conservative talk show The Rubin Report on Wednesday. Peterson, who argued that the mandates were an example of "herd" mentality, was diagnosed with COVID-19 in August 2020 while receiving treatment for prescription drug dependence in Serbia and has since been vaccinated against the virus. "The thing that surprised me the most, probably, was how rapidly we stampeded to imitate a totalitarian state in the immediate aftermath of the release of COVID," Peters said. "You know, if you think it through a little bit, no one really knew how serious the virus was going to be. And so, it was an unknown threat."

"A herd will stampede because the most neurotic member of the herd jumps first, and then [the rest of the herd will] instantly follow them," he added. "And that's kind of what we did in the early stages of the pandemic. The Chinese acted first. Now, unfortunately they are a totalitarian state. And we all followed." Peterson went on to say that "the breakdown of our rights" caused by COVID-19 public health measures was especially "grating" in Canada. Peterson described mandates that require vaccination as a precondition for travel as "extraordinarily annoying." "My father isn't vaccinated. He decided not to, partly because they were telling him he had to. And he has his other reasons," Peterson said. "To then find out that there's nothing behind it except the most instrumental and cowardly random polling is extremely disheartening and also maddening and also angering." "Canadians who aren't vaccinated right now cannot leave the country. Like, what the hell, why is that?" he continued. "I got vaccinated. And people took me to task for that. And I thought, 'All right, I'll get the damn vaccine.' Here's the deal, guys: I'll get the vaccine, you f***ing leave me alone!" Peterson lamented that becoming vaccinated did not "work," in the sense that he is still required to be tested for COVID-19 to both leave and return to Canada. The psychologist suggested that the travel restrictions were the primary reason to become vaccinated, question why he got the vaccine "if you're not going to leave me alone."



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Proto_Spark
11/12/21 11:55:19 PM
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Wait until someone repeats this and his fans will insist the statement has been taken out of context.

Also, Jordan, you live in Ontario Canada. Vaccine mandates are literally nothing new. They were required for your children to go to school.
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MutantJohn
11/13/21 12:00:47 AM
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I wonder if he'd downplay covid in front of people who've lost loved ones to it

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coolboy11
11/13/21 12:03:29 AM
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isn't he the doofus who ate an all meat diet as supposedly some super cure for his ailments lol.

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legendary_zell
11/13/21 12:03:38 AM
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Oh, apparently China wasn't a totalitarian state until January/February 2020. Interesting political analysis.

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11/13/21 12:07:14 AM
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This guy sure is full of shit.

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au_gold
11/13/21 12:07:59 AM
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Kolibri X
11/13/21 12:25:24 AM
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Lebronwon posted...
"I got vaccinated. And people took me to task for that. And I thought, 'All right, I'll get the damn vaccine.' Here's the deal, guys: I'll get the vaccine, you f***ing leave me alone!"

Hol up. This is the same guy that called out the slippery slope of the politically correct speech police and just thought he would be left alone here knowing full well just how controlling the government is? You never give an inch to control freaks expecting them to back off because they will just want more and more and more compliance from you. How incredibly naive but a lesson learned late is better than not at all, I guess.

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UnholyMudcrab
11/13/21 12:28:25 AM
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MagnusX
11/13/21 2:03:13 AM
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I've got a friend who just recently posted a Remembrance Day meme that equated vaccine mandates to papers please. He def watches Peterson videos. Shit's dumb af.
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averagejoel
11/13/21 2:09:04 AM
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Kolibri X posted...
Hol up. This is the same guy that called out the slippery slope of the politically correct speech police and just thought he would be left alone here knowing full well just how controlling the government is? You never give an inch to control freaks expecting them to back off because they will just want more and more and more compliance from you. How incredibly naive but a lesson learned late is better than not at all, I guess.
Jordan Peterson initially became famous for fear-mongering about a bill that made it illegal to discriminate based on gender identity in canada

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hockeybub89
11/13/21 2:20:44 AM
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Kolibri X posted...
Hol up. This is the same guy that called out the slippery slope of the politically correct speech police and just thought he would be left alone here knowing full well just how controlling the government is? You never give an inch to control freaks expecting them to back off because they will just want more and more and more compliance from you. How incredibly naive but a lesson learned late is better than not at all, I guess.
Shut the fuck up. I hope you and every other anti-vaxxer become forced to vaccinate if you want to participate in public society. Our governments are failing at their bare minimum moral duty by not already having strict vaccine mandates.

Tired of badass rebels acting like the only options are no government or Nazi Germany. These same people would go on about making peace with the establishment if police were harassing an innocent person or the government was banning abortion or gay marriage.

How about we support some things and not other things? Slopes are only as slippery as you allow them to be.

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Kolibri X
11/13/21 2:30:47 AM
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averagejoel posted...
Jordan Peterson initially became famous for fear-mongering about a bill that made it illegal to discriminate based on gender identity in canada

I remember him being a bit hyperbolic about that bill, saying he could be thrown in jail for mis-gendering when realistically he would be given just a fine (he then countered that he could be thrown in jail for not paying, which I somewhat doubt). He got fame for wanting to be a martyr in Canada but if he really values his freedom he should've moved to the US where he would enjoy more rights in regard to speech and movement.

Oh, looks like I got a bonus triggered hockeybub meltdown. Lol, nice.


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averagejoel
11/13/21 2:36:42 AM
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Kolibri X posted...
I remember him being a bit hyperbolic about that bill, saying he could be thrown in jail for mis-gendering when realistically he would be given just a fine (he then countered that he could be thrown in jail for not paying, which I somewhat doubt).
he wasn't "being a bit hyperbolic" -- he was lying and fear-mongering

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Kolibri X
11/13/21 2:44:21 AM
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averagejoel posted...
he wasn't "being a bit hyperbolic" -- he was lying and fear-mongering

What was he lying about? Could he be jailed for not paying a misgendering fine? I don't know the specifics.

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What_
11/13/21 2:45:48 AM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
I don't care what Jordan Peterson says or thinks

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averagejoel
11/13/21 2:51:40 AM
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Kolibri X posted...
What was he lying about? Could he be jailed for not paying a misgendering fine? I don't know the specifics.
no, he could not be jailed for not paying a misgendering fine. this was the bill:
https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/c-16/first-reading

he said it brought up an issue with free speech. that is false. admittedly I don't know if he was intentionally trying to deceive people or if he just had no idea what the text of the bill said, but he was spreading false information either way

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UnfairRepresent
11/13/21 6:47:17 AM
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lol

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creativerealms
11/13/21 6:48:04 AM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
Jordan Peterson: " MUH RIGHTS! MUH FREEDUMB!"
Muh COMA.

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WeeWeiWiiWie
11/13/21 6:50:59 AM
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Remember when there was a full fledged right-wing backing of this dude because he was a professor who they could quote who didn't like transpeople?

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WeeWeiWiiWie
11/13/21 6:56:21 AM
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Like you had a bunch of right-wing chuds running out to buy his book which told them to clean their room and power pose because he shared their reaction of disgust about transpeople lmao.

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Ruvan22
11/13/21 11:51:02 AM
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averagejoel posted...
no, he could not be jailed for not paying a misgendering fine. this was the bill:
https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/c-16/first-reading

he said it brought up an issue with free speech. that is false. admittedly I don't know if he was intentionally trying to deceive people or if he just had no idea what the text of the bill said, but he was spreading false information either way

Interesting but not surprising that @Kolibri_X never returned
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ScazarMeltex
11/13/21 11:52:38 AM
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This dude believes that he's a some sort of mythic heroic figure and that his wife has prophetic dreams. Why in the fuck should I care what he thinks about anything? Also he believes that a person physically or mentally unable to serve in the military has no value to society, so fuck him twice.

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Stewman_Magoo
11/13/21 11:55:00 AM
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averagejoel posted...
no, he could not be jailed for not paying a misgendering fine. this was the bill:
https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/42-1/bill/c-16/first-reading

he said it brought up an issue with free speech. that is false. admittedly I don't know if he was intentionally trying to deceive people or if he just had no idea what the text of the bill said, but he was spreading false information either way

Considering he's doubled down on it recently, I think it's the former

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__aCEr__
11/13/21 11:55:17 AM
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Lebronwon posted...
diagnosed with COVID-19 in August 2020 while receiving treatment for prescription drug dependence in Serbia

I definitely missed this story arc.

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Smashingpmkns
11/13/21 11:58:44 AM
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Is his daughter still trying to kill him
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averagejoel
11/13/21 3:18:28 PM
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Stewman_Magoo posted...
Considering he's doubled down on it recently, I think it's the former
I don't particularly care which one it was. the effect is the same either way

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Southernfatman
11/13/21 3:21:09 PM
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And why do they have mandates on not being able to drink and drive? OMG it's like Nazi Germany here!!!

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DarkRoast
11/13/21 3:25:26 PM
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It's hilarious that these right-wing talking heads think they're coming up with salient points when these are among the oldest and most bullshit anti-vax arguments out there.


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Unknown5uspect
11/13/21 3:28:25 PM
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Lebronwon posted...
an appearance on the conservative talk show The Rubin Report
Ah. Righty whitey circlejerk

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hockeybub89
11/13/21 3:29:30 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
Also he believes that a person physically or mentally unable to serve in the military has no value to society, so fuck him twice.
What the actual fuck

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DarkRoast
11/13/21 3:39:30 PM
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Unknown5uspect posted...
Ah. Righty whitey circlejerk

https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1459163836905234437?s=20

He's also dumb as a rock

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DeadBankerDream
11/13/21 3:41:50 PM
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Jordan Peterson also believes that people getting high on magic mushrooms and having visions of God is actual evidence that God is real.

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Giblet_Enjoyer
11/13/21 3:42:47 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1459163836905234437?s=20

He's also dumb as a rock
Lol, when you think about it, this actually kind of makes sense.
Since they often won't live to regret it

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Smashingpmkns
11/13/21 4:59:05 PM
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Southernfatman posted...
And why do they have mandates on not being able to drink and drive? OMG it's like Nazi Germany here!!!


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joe40001
11/13/21 5:46:46 PM
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So what is the point of a topic like this?

It pretty clearly operates from the premise of "mandates are good, and anybody who is against them is a dumb dumb. Also let's dunk on JP".

Because I see bad points and bad comparisons being made, and I want to object to them. But it feels like any objection to this mutual affirmation of correctness and moral superiority wouldn't be welcome, and may not even be appropriate.

So is the point of this topic then just "we are right/smart/superior, people we dislike are wrong/dumb/inferior, now let's all meme and affirm that so we can all feel good feelings."?

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Proto_Spark
11/13/21 5:56:17 PM
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joe40001 posted...
So what is the point of a topic like this?

It pretty clearly operates from the premise of "mandates are good, and anybody who is against them is a dumb dumb. Also let's dunk on JP".

Because I see bad points and bad comparisons being made, and I want to object to them. But it feels like any objection to this mutual affirmation of correctness and moral superiority wouldn't be welcome, and may not even be appropriate.

So is the point of this topic then just "we are right/smart/superior, people we dislike are wrong/dumb/inferior, now let's all meme and affirm that so we can all feel good feelings."?

Well its a dumb person making a stupid point that is potentially dangerous. Except he's not the one putting himself at risk here, he's encouraging other people to go out and be unsafe and potentially harm themselves.

Vaccine mandates are flat out a good thing because its basically the least authoritarian way to get out of this public health crisis. Saying "okay, you all were willing to make a sacrifice when it was most needed, and now while we're getting out of the hole we want to reward the people who were willing to make those sacrifices while not needing to regress back into dangerous territory since some people don't give a **** about others"

This topic is just pointing out that a con-artist is trying to sell his snake oil, except this con artist doesn't give a **** that the snake oil he's selling is actually somewhat poisonous.
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AldousIsDead
11/13/21 5:58:08 PM
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Joe if you just stopped talking people would like you more.

I know I would anyway.

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mybbqrules
11/13/21 5:59:31 PM
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I wonder how he felt about the 6th of January, an actual attempt at totalitarianism.

Just kidding, I already know how he felt about it.

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11/13/21 6:02:17 PM
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joe40001 posted...
It pretty clearly operates from the premise of "mandates are good, and anybody who is against them is a dumb dumb. Also let's dunk on JP".

JP's dumb, but if you think people are saying "all mandates are good", that's a problem on your end.

There's a severe thing happening, happens roughly once a century, and it calls for a drastic response.

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joe40001
11/13/21 6:27:11 PM
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Guide posted...
JP's dumb, but if you think people are saying "all mandates are good", that's a problem on your end.

There's a severe thing happening, happens roughly once a century, and it calls for a drastic response.

Sorry, by "mandates" I should have said "the covid vaccine mandates". It was what I was referring to, but I could have been more clear. My mistake.

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joe40001
11/13/21 6:34:18 PM
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mybbqrules posted...
I wonder how he felt about the 6th of January, an actual attempt at totalitarianism.

I was strongly against it. Anybody looking to storm buildings and cause harm to people are people who I am strongly against. It was criminal and they should be punished accordingly. It was even worse because it was in service of a lie and aspired to threaten our democracy.

Just kidding, I already know how he felt about it.

Is that what you were going to say my opinion was?

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joe40001
11/13/21 6:40:37 PM
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Proto_Spark posted...
Vaccine mandates are flat out a good thing

Reasonable people can disagree about this. Personally I'd much rather make people feel safe/confident about getting vaccinated than I would forcing them to do something they (often for unfounded reasons) feel unsafe doing.

My question more was the goal of this topic, because like I said, it feels like a topic starting from conclusions and then just memeing and affirming in service of those conclusions.

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Unsugarized_Foo
11/13/21 6:42:28 PM
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I wish the vaccines worked better so the unvaccinated didn't kill the vaccinated and stuff

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