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Bass_X0
11/12/21 4:49:26 PM
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https://www.thegamer.com/trans-players-respond-to-forza-horizon-5-deadnaming/

The game should know if you don't want to be referred to by a name you input yourself years earlier.

Many returning Forza players were surprised when Forza Horizon 5 greeted them by name. The game pulls it from your Microsoft account so that it can properly say 'Hello'. However, for some trans players, this feature has led to the game deadnaming them - a painful experience.

"It sucked and it was jarring," Melody told me over Twitter. "You have a few mandatory bits to play before you can actually change it. I am not too familiar with the menus, but a lot of the customization is separated from the menu options, so I wasted a lot of time digging when it was elsewhere."

For new players, the game asks you for a name and nickname, but returning players don't get this chance.

"I was pretty shocked," one player, who asked to remain anonymous, told me. "I enjoyed the intro sequence and was having a lot of fun, but hearing the announcer call out my deadname completely blindsided me. I quit the game immediately and was close to just refunding it on Steam.

"I really wanted to play with my friends, so I cooled down a bit and spent an hour trying to figure out how to reset my save to remove any chance of it deadnaming me again. I just wanted to reset my save so my deadname wasn't on it. I changed my name in my Microsoft account to something it couldn't voice and tried playing the game again as normal after resetting my save."

Doing this led to the bug appearing. Now, the game calls them by the name of the last NPC they spoke to. "The game didn't handle it gracefully, I guess. Doesn't seem to affect gameplay at all, so I'm fine with it."

Forza Horizon 5 has implemented some great accessibility settings, and also included the option for players to be able to pick their pronouns, body type, and voice - its character creation system is what Cyberpunk 2077's promised to be. It's disappointing then that the potential for deadnaming was not considered when the greeting feature was implemented.

For the player who ended up restarting their game, it just takes the shine off it. "I'm really disappointed that they messed up something so basic but crucial to many people's enjoyment of the game."

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Unknown5uspect
11/12/21 4:52:05 PM
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Dumb as shit, why magnify this tripe?

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Dakimakura
11/12/21 4:53:15 PM
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They don't do that on PC, therefore this is proof that PC is better.

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AngelsNAirwav3s
11/12/21 4:53:26 PM
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This is a serious article?

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DemonBuffet
11/12/21 4:53:46 PM
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These vocal snowflakes need to be punched in the face.

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Unknown5uspect
11/12/21 4:53:47 PM
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Dakimakura posted...
They don't do that on PC

Bass_X0 posted...
I quit the game immediately and was close to just refunding it on Steam.
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ThePrinceFish
11/12/21 4:54:07 PM
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Is this satire

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fan357
11/12/21 4:54:39 PM
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Dakimakura posted...
They don't do that on PC, therefore this is proof that PC is better.

It said my name on steam after I linked it to my Xbox account. All these people need to do is change their name and move on.

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Crikey
11/12/21 4:54:46 PM
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If that traumatizes them, then jeez they're in for a hard life.
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Giant_Aspirin
11/12/21 4:55:05 PM
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"traumatizing", really?

shouldn't it be the player's responsibility to change their name in all systems that use it? so if the player actually changed their name in their MS account, it would be fine, right? realistically, what do these people expect the devs to do? somehow magically know that person changed genders and the old name is a "deadname"?

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trappedunderice
11/12/21 4:55:10 PM
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Dakimakura
11/12/21 4:55:29 PM
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fan357 posted...
It said my name on steam after I linked it to my Xbox account.

Oh, i probably just don't have my real name on my account so they couldn't pronounce it.

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myzz7
11/12/21 4:56:32 PM
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when satire merges with reality and we can't tell which is which. a never ending south park episode that we can't escape from.

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BeantownHero
11/12/21 4:57:13 PM
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I think it was an honest mistake. The disdain in this topic for something as potentially trauma inducing as deadnaming is cringe tbqh

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Arcanine2009
11/12/21 4:57:16 PM
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Forza 5 is a new game in the franchise, right?

Yeah that is really weird that they let newcomers be able to change their name and use a nickname, and not for returning players who have data with past Forza games.

Definitely feels personal and players should change how they want to be addressed from the beginning.

I wouldn't even say this is a trans issue. its strange to me too

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g0ldie
11/12/21 4:57:52 PM
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from what I've seen, the article doesn't say anything about "traumatizing" anyone; it's just what the TC added.

also, "dead naming" people can be a bad experience for them. I dunno why it's difficult to understand.

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uwnim
11/12/21 4:58:30 PM
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The problem sounds like they never changed the name in their account. So I wouldnt blame the game.

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Shablagoo
11/12/21 5:00:00 PM
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PrideOfLion posted...
Not really anyone's fault, just a really shit moment for a group of people


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Giblet_Enjoyer
11/12/21 5:00:03 PM
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Reminds me of that infamous post by a trans woman about how the pandemic has been especially hard on her due to zoom meetings forcing her to see herself on screen

Very similar energy

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Giant_Aspirin
11/12/21 5:00:03 PM
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g0ldie posted...
also, "dead naming" people can be a bad experience for them.

so why didn't these people change their names in the systems that use it? realistically, how do these people expect the devs of the game to know their name changed?

uwnim posted...
The problem sounds like they never changed the name in their account. So I wouldnt blame the game.

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DeadBankerDream
11/12/21 5:00:05 PM
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Not everything is out to get you and you need to learn to move through a world that doesn't take consideration to every minute aspect of your life. You forgetting to update the name on your old email is not an issue on anyone else. A game integrating such information from elsewhere is not an issue because you forgot to update the name on an old account you apparently still use.

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Crescente
11/12/21 5:01:25 PM
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This is...satire right? Please be satire
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Crikey
11/12/21 5:02:24 PM
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Crescente posted...
This is...satire right? Please be satire
Have you been on Twitter lately? This is real life, son.
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g0ldie
11/12/21 5:02:25 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
so why didn't these people change their names in the systems that use it? realistically, how do these people expect the devs of the game to know their name changed?
this is assuming that they still use those systems as they did initially.

besides, I wasn't criticizing Forza, Microsoft, or anything like that, but the people who treat how others might feel about stuff like this as a joke.

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ModLogic
11/12/21 5:03:09 PM
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Brutal_Deluxe
11/12/21 5:06:47 PM
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>uses account they didn't update the name of
>blames game
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Ving_Rhames
11/12/21 5:07:06 PM
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Traumatizing? Really?

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EmbraceOfDeath
11/12/21 5:09:17 PM
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BeantownHero posted...
I think it was an honest mistake. The disdain in this topic for something as potentially trauma inducing as deadnaming is cringe tbqh
LOL. If anyone has trauma over being called the wrong name, they need to get some serious professional help because that is insane.

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CyricZ
11/12/21 5:11:17 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
LOL. If anyone has trauma over being called the wrong name, they need to get some serious professional help because that is insane.
"Trans people are insane" okay noted.

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Smashingpmkns
11/12/21 5:12:03 PM
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I've been getting the bug where your name is the last NPC you talked to's name and its kinda annoying
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KhlavicLanguage
11/12/21 5:12:52 PM
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seems like a non-issue
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greyfox747
11/12/21 5:13:19 PM
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g0ldie posted...
from what I've seen, the article doesn't say anything about "traumatizing" anyone; it's just what the TC added.
Sure didn't stop anyone ITT from taking it was fact

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Arcanine2009
11/12/21 5:15:58 PM
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Ah I see. I was thinking they didn't change their name and just didn't want to be addressed personally by a name


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ModLogic
11/12/21 5:17:02 PM
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uwnim
11/12/21 5:18:02 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
LOL. If anyone has trauma over being called the wrong name, they need to get some serious professional help because that is insane.
It would like depend on the situation Id think. Like if someone knows your new name and call you by the old one, then thats bad. If someone digs into your past, discovers your old name and calls you that, then it is really fucked up. If someone knows your old name but doesnt know your new name, then it shouldnt be a big deal and you should let them know that you no longe go by that and you are now whatever the new name is.

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QassTank
11/12/21 5:18:12 PM
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Yeah, if it was based on their Microsoft account settings and they never updated the name, kinda not the fault of the game...

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Axiom
11/12/21 5:21:17 PM
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TC and his clickbait title with the fools that fell for it lol

This is pretty weird regardless of the mistake tbh. Good thing I never use my real name as that shit would throw me off
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Smackems
11/12/21 5:22:00 PM
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Boo fucking hoo. Just change it. And if it bugs out then it's still better than being deadnamed. Ffs did this need an article

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BeantownHero
11/12/21 5:22:29 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
LOL. If anyone has trauma over being called the wrong name, they need to get some serious professional help because that is insane.

I mean, if you just want to be ignorant on the subject, that's certainly your right I suppose

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ScazarMeltex
11/12/21 5:23:15 PM
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CyricZ posted...
"Trans people are insane" okay noted.
This is a rather dramatic interpretation of his post.

If you are going to be traumatized everytime someone accidentally deadnames you, you are going to have a very difficult life. Granted, yeah people can't really control most of the times what will trigger them, but if it's something as basic as this then I would suggest therapy to help deal with it.

I mean this isn't someone being a jerk off and intentionally deadnaming you just to invalidate your existence. It's a videogame using your previous data in an announcement.

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Middle hope
11/12/21 5:24:19 PM
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Just change your name on your account.

Do people get this twisted when they get snail mail too?

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CyricZ
11/12/21 5:27:31 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
This is a rather dramatic interpretation of his post.
Call it drama inviting drama.

If you are going to be traumatized everytime someone accidentally deadnames you, you are going to have a very difficult life. Granted, yeah people can't really control most of the times what will trigger them, but if it's something as basic as this then I would suggest therapy to help deal with it.

I mean this isn't someone being a jerk off and intentionally deadnaming you just to invalidate your existence. It's a videogame using your previous data in an announcement.
I get that. It's an unfortunate oversight and I'm sure wasn't remotely done with malice especially given all the other accessibility options.

I'm just out here taking issue with people snapping back a little too hard.

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joe40001
11/12/21 5:34:31 PM
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BeantownHero posted...
I think it was an honest mistake. The disdain in this topic for something as potentially trauma inducing as deadnaming is cringe tbqh
You and I must have a very different definition of trauma.

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CyricZ
11/12/21 5:37:06 PM
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joe40001 posted...
You and I must have a very different definition of trauma.
Trauma can be very different for different people.

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RoseLuck2X22462
11/12/21 5:37:08 PM
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It's their responsibility to update all their information.

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11/12/21 5:37:49 PM
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