Poll of the Day > Kyle Rittenhouse

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Unadulterated
11/19/21 2:31:01 PM
#354:


CaptainStrong posted...
Do you also think what happened to George Floyd okay because he did some fucked up shit in the past?

Floyd didn't deserve to be killed. Granted, I think it was a personal vendetta that Chauvin had against Floyd, but regardless he didn't deserve to die. He wasn't attacking anyone.

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DirtBasedSoap
11/19/21 2:32:26 PM
#355:


Entity13 posted...
There is also some reminiscence going back to Wyatt Earp and the OK Corral shootout. There was a political divide there, too, seen even with the newspaper outlets. One side justified the Earps and Holliday, and the other side vilified them up to and beyond the court case that eventually ruled in the Earps' favor.


um i watched the movie and kurt Russell and Val Kilmer were definitely the good guys


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Veedrock-
11/19/21 2:34:15 PM
#356:


DirtBasedSoap posted...
why was this kid even there.
Asked and answers, so I'll just say he wasnt on trial for being there.

agesboy posted...
but it still also has nothing to do with the murder as rittenhouse didn't know
Correct, it had nothing to do with the murder trial, which is why it wasn't allowed as evidence and his acquittal occurred regardless of it. Trying to dismiss who the victims were isn't a gotcha.

Cacciato posted...
Im just a huge fan of Rittenhouses telepathic abilities, since apparently he knew their criminal backgrounds before he pulled the trigger.
He didn't know, and he's still not guilty. All other circumstances besides identity being the same, he's innocent.

Why do you need Rittenhouse to be a villain so badly? I'd rather him fade into obscurity, sick of hearing about him. But you'd rather a woman or child get hurt just to see him locked up. Jesus.

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agesboy
11/19/21 2:36:29 PM
#357:


Veedrock- posted...
Why do you need Rittenhouse to be a villain so badly?
why do you need the people he murdered to be horrible people? does it make it easier to accept that he murdered them?

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Veedrock-
11/19/21 2:39:23 PM
#358:


agesboy posted...
why do you need the people he murdered to be horrible people?
I don't. It's better that they were, but it's ultimately irrelevant. I accept that he defended himself.

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Entity13
11/19/21 2:43:00 PM
#360:


DirtBasedSoap posted...
um i watched the movie and kurt Russell and Val Kilmer were definitely the good guys

To that movie's credit, it was more accurate than Braveheart . . . about as much as a Dachshund stepping over a pole on the ground.

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HornedLion
11/19/21 2:44:43 PM
#361:


Veedrock- posted...
Asked and answers, so I'll just say he wasnt on trial for being there.

Correct, it had nothing to do with the murder trial, which is why it wasn't allowed as evidence and his acquittal occurred regardless of it. Trying to dismiss who the victims were isn't a gotcha.

He didn't know, and he's still not guilty. All other circumstances besides identity being the same, he's innocent.

Why do you need Rittenhouse to be a villain so badly? I'd rather him fade into obscurity, sick of hearing about him.

There has been a huge rise in violence against protestors. Protestors have been ran over, shot, and attacked by folks who werent there to protest. So if youre not there to protest then what exactly is your motive? Oh! Thats right! Clean graffiti.

#1) You can clean all the graffiti you want AFTER the protests are over.

#2) The protests were mainly peaceful and the businesses didnt need protecting. Why? Because they have insurance. This is exactly why banks have fired tellers who chase after and stop bank robbers. They did a good thing. Yes. But also became a liability for the company. Weve seen it so many times before.

So, the reason why he needs to be the villain is because he is. Because the protests were highly politicized and hes a gun toting kid that hangs out with proud boys, throws up there shit gang sign, and creates a dangerous situation which ultimately causes people to lose lives. Regardless of anything those were brothers, fathers, cousins, etc.

In conclusion, he needed to be made an example of lest we have copy cats. And there will be copy cats. But as Commissioner Gordon said at the end of Batman Begins What about escalation? What happens when the once peaceful protestors begin bringing guns of their own? What happens when shoot outs break loose? What happens when police officers with families get involved and die because of it? I hope Im wrong but shit is about to get crazy.


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DirtBasedSoap
11/19/21 2:44:51 PM
#362:


helIy posted...
...because he murdered two people?

like are you being stupid on purpose, or
but they were bad dudes

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agesboy
11/19/21 2:45:07 PM
#363:


Veedrock- posted...
I don't. It's better that they were, but it's ultimately irrelevant. I accept that he defended himself.
if you agree its irrelevant, why is "trying to dismiss who the victims were" a bad thing? irrelevant things shouldn't even enter into the discussion

all it accomplishes is victim-blaming

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Cacciato
11/19/21 2:47:45 PM
#364:


Veedrock- posted...
I don't. It's better that they were, but it's ultimately irrelevant. I accept that he defended himself.
Yeah, you genius, I accept that he defended himself too, as far as the law is concerned. Its just you seem like the type of hypocrite to bring up an irrelevant criminal record when you would absolutely glaze over their backgrounds if theyd been youth pastors and kindergarten teachers lmao. Get your shit together.
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captainjeff87
11/19/21 2:53:01 PM
#365:


DirtBasedSoap posted...
okay cool so i guess they deserved to die?


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Veedrock-
11/19/21 2:57:44 PM
#366:


helIy posted...
because he murdered two people?
He defended himself against 3 people. Yes or no, do circumstances matter?

agesboy posted...
if you agree its irrelevant, why is "trying to dismiss who the victims were" a bad thing?
It's bad that people dismiss it to imply he's guilty without it, when he was acquitted without it. You can dismiss who they were, but you can't also say "therefore he's guilty."

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CyborgSage00x0
11/19/21 3:02:18 PM
#367:


Conner4REAL posted...
Maybe the world will get lucky and hell get hit by a truck or something.
Considering Zimmerman is still walking around after getting off for basically the same thing, I wouldn't count on it.

But as Mead said in the beginning of this topic, there is now a dangerous precedent in this country for gunmen to go looking for trouble, and creating said trouble/finding an environment that will allow them to shoot with a thin veneer of justification. This is even worse than Zimmerman, since Rittenhouse went REALLY out of his way to put himself in a position to play vigilante/"victim."

It's basically the equivalent of poking your little brother repeatedly, and when he finally punches you, getting little brother in trouble, because the punch is the only thing mommy and daddy witnessed. That has been more or less legally been given the OK, which is a dangerous precedent for a country armed with Right-wing gun nutters and wannabe heroes, spurred on by a authoritarian party wing and national media.

Then again, it's just another brick removed from an American empire that has been eroding for a while now.

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CyborgSage00x0
11/19/21 3:05:45 PM
#368:


Veedrock- posted...
He defended himself against 3 people. Yes or no, do circumstances matter?
I don't think you want to play the circumstances game, considering it's clear he went there with the sole hope of shooting someone, a key part of the trial the judge sadly blocked out and was strangely ignored. Circumstance is why this case was so heated to begin with. There wouldn't even be a conversation if this was an open and shut self-defense case.

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OhhhJa
11/19/21 3:06:43 PM
#369:


Yeah, it was pretty clear cut self defense. The only argument to really be had is whether or not lethal force was necessary for the first attacker. But that's why you don't attack people carrying guns. That's the downside of carrying a weapon. It can potentially put you in a situation where you have to use it when you otherwise wouldn't have needed to. If someone attacks you when you're unarmed, you can simply fight them. If you have a gun, it becomes a question of "what if he tries to take my gun and shoot me with it." One major reason why open carrying is fucking stupid imo
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OhhhJa
11/19/21 3:07:58 PM
#370:


CyborgSage00x0 posted...
Considering Zimmerman is still walking around after getting off for basically the same thing, I wouldn't count on it.
The thing that really sucked about the George Zimmerman trial/verdict is that nobody really saw what happened so you're just taking the word of the guy that killed the kid
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X-Men
11/19/21 3:11:23 PM
#371:


Huge red flags - underage kid in possession of an illegal firearm (he was only a 17 at the time in possession of an AR), misrepresents himself in a official capacity (lied about being a certified EMT when asked). Sure we can overlook these facts because he defended himself in a bad situation, but honestly this sets a bad precedent.

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Le_Corbeau
11/19/21 3:19:44 PM
#372:


NB4 TC is served with a lawsuit.

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HornedLion
11/19/21 3:24:49 PM
#373:


Le_Corbeau posted...
NB4 TC is served with a lawsuit.

I wish I would. Give me a chance to promote my business.

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Revelation34
11/19/21 3:26:47 PM
#374:


agesboy posted...
why do you need the people he murdered to be horrible people? does it make it easier to accept that he murdered them?


Probably because nobody got murdered.
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dioxxys
11/19/21 3:36:50 PM
#376:


HornedLion posted...
There has been a huge rise in violence against protestors. Protestors have been ran over, shot, and attacked by folks who werent there to protest. So if youre not there to protest then what exactly is your motive? Oh! Thats right! Clean graffiti.

#1) You can clean all the graffiti you want AFTER the protests are over.

#2) The protests were mainly peaceful and the businesses didnt need protecting. Why? Because they have insurance. This is exactly why banks have fired tellers who chase after and stop bank robbers. They did a good thing. Yes. But also became a liability for the company. Weve seen it so many times before.
Dude....If you are actually peacefully protesting you are doing it at daytime, at most holding up signs, maybe at worst spraying some graffiti.

Who the hell is bearing witness to you "protesting" if you are doing after the sun has gone down and everyone has gone to bed? No one is actually protesting at night, thats the time the rioters and vandals come out. Its just an excuse to destroy property and I have no sympathy for people who want to set our nation on fire.
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JixHedgehog
11/19/21 3:38:55 PM
#377:


Just dont do it again.. yah big lug *nudges chin with fist*

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Raze_Razel
11/19/21 3:44:06 PM
#378:


Mods are on this thread like bitches in heat, lol......
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Raze_Razel
11/19/21 3:45:40 PM
#379:


X-Men posted...
Huge red flags - underage kid in possession of an illegal firearm (he was only a 17 at the time in possession of an AR), misrepresents himself in a official capacity (lied about being a certified EMT when asked). Sure we can overlook these facts because he defended himself in a bad situation, but honestly this sets a bad precedent.

You've just described Grossekreutz to a tee.

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HornedLion
11/19/21 3:51:10 PM
#380:


dioxxys posted...
Dude....If you are actually peacefully protesting you are doing it at daytime, at most holding up signs, maybe at worst spraying some graffiti.

Who the hell is bearing witness to you "protesting" if you are doing after the sun has gone down and everyone has gone to bed? No one is actually protesting at night, thats the time the rioters and vandals come out. Its just an excuse to destroy property and I have no sympathy for people who want to set our nation on fire.

First, bullshit.

Second, set our nation on fire. Get fucking real. A couple of places, where a tragedy occurred, were set ablaze. Youre either arguing in bad faith or have been glued to conservative media.

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Jen0125
11/19/21 3:51:36 PM
#381:


His family will likely be financially ruined in the Civil suits that will arise.

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HornedLion
11/19/21 3:52:19 PM
#382:


Jen0125 posted...
His family will likely be financially ruined in the Civil suits that will arise.

lol doubt he can get that same judge there again.

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Revelation34
11/19/21 3:52:40 PM
#383:


Jen0125 posted...
His family will likely be financially ruined in the Civil suits that will arise.


They will just use the same videos used in the criminal trial.
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BlackScythe0
11/19/21 3:53:47 PM
#384:


Veedrock- posted...
@DirtBasedSoap https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2021/03/11/joseph-rosenbaum-sex-offender/?amp=1

It means you won't acknowledge one of the victims was guilty of anything because it's not in front of you, but you'll continue to insist Rittenhouse is guilty despite his innocence being right in front of you. Double standards, where the guilty are innocent and the acquitted are guilty.
Not guilty =/= innocent
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zebatov
11/19/21 3:54:34 PM
#385:


Raze_Razel posted...
Mods are on this thread like bitches in heat, lol......

It would help if people didnt mark for every little thing they disagree with the same way.

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Jen0125
11/19/21 4:06:51 PM
#386:


Revelation34 posted...
They will just use the same videos used in the criminal trial.

Civil trials have a lot less burden of proof to show a civil offense occurred.

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IronBornCorps
11/19/21 4:07:30 PM
#387:


Ah yes, he was defending himself from being in a situation he put himself, using a gun he has no business possessing, "helping protect the peace" despite not being a police officer (or even an adult), in a state he doesn't live in.

He was walking around like some vigilante in a chaotic situation, and people attacked him for it. Was it self defense in being attacked? Apparently the court ruled yes.

That completely ignores the issue that he should be prosecuted for carrying an illegal firearm across state lines, and acting like he was some volunteer deputy of the law at the minimum. Those people are dead because of his actions, and I don't really care if they were bad people or not. He's not an executioner who gets to decide who is good and bad. I also can't really blame someone for trying to disarm the kid who is walking around with an assault rifle playing out his Johnny Law fantasies.

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Revelation34
11/19/21 4:07:55 PM
#388:


Jen0125 posted...


Civil trials have a lot less burden of proof to show a civil offense occurred.


Gage already lost any case he had after admitting what happened in the criminal trial.
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Jen0125
11/19/21 4:08:25 PM
#389:


IronBornCorps posted...
I also can't really blame someone for trying to disarm the kid who is walking around with an assault rifle playing out his Johnny Law fantasies.

This is where I'm at.

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Jen0125
11/19/21 4:08:42 PM
#390:


Revelation34 posted...
Gage already lost any case he had after admitting what happened in the criminal trial.

According to you. You're not on the civil jury.

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Raze_Razel
11/19/21 4:09:09 PM
#391:




Jen0125 posted...
His family will likely be financially ruined in the Civil suits that will arise.

Considering Kyle is about to get Oprah-rich from all the libel suits he could file against all leftist mainstream media outlets for labeling him a murdering white-supremacist when the EVIDENCE clearly showed he wasn't any of that. Especially since MSNBC was caught attempting to tamper with the jury.....

Even if there was a civil suit, Kyle could still get out of the whole thing with some bank. Also consider, Kyle is untouchable now. It's established that everything was SELF-DEFENCE... so the chances anyone sees a dime is slim to none.
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Revelation34
11/19/21 4:09:22 PM
#392:


IronBornCorps posted...
That completely ignores the issue that he should be prosecuted for carrying an illegal firearm across state lines


That was ignored because it never happened.

Jen0125 posted...


According to you. You're not on the civil jury.


No jury is going to take him seriously after that admission.
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Jen0125
11/19/21 4:10:07 PM
#393:


Revelation34 posted...
No jury is going to take him seriously after that admission.

You're not in the jury and you don't know what all they'll be shown. Why do you let it play out before making asinine predictions based on your limited law knowledge?

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Cacciato
11/19/21 4:13:49 PM
#394:


Revelation34 posted...
They will just use the same videos used in the criminal trial.
Its ironic that you kept bringing up legal educations because this right here shows, again, you have no idea what the fuck youre talking about. I dont know why you constantly do this to yourself.
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Revelation34
11/19/21 4:20:40 PM
#395:


Cacciato posted...

Its ironic that you kept bringing up legal educations because this right here shows, again, you have no idea what the fuck youre talking about. I dont know why you constantly do this to yourself.


A criminal trial isn't the same as a civil trial. There's no such thing as being forbidden from using evidence from one for the other.
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Cacciato
11/19/21 4:23:27 PM
#396:


Revelation34 posted...
A criminal trial isn't the same as a civil trial. There's no such thing as being forbidden from using evidence from one for the other.
The fact thats what you took away from my comment really reinforces my point.
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Revelation34
11/19/21 4:26:17 PM
#397:


Cacciato posted...

The fact thats what you took away from my comment really reinforces my point.


Well you were only a traffic cop after all and not lawyer.
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Cacciato
11/19/21 4:36:48 PM
#398:


Revelation34 posted...
Well you were only a traffic cop after all and not lawyer.
I wasnt even a traffic cop but you get a gold star for trying. But again, way to go proving you dont know what the fuck youre talking about.

but hey, if you want to learn about some basic legal concepts, maybe go google the differences in burden of proof required between civil and criminal cases.
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Raze_Razel
11/19/21 4:36:54 PM
#399:


ITT: Lefty Armchair Lawyers still trying to hold on to their clout, after being proven wrong every step of the way to a "not guilty" verdict....
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Zedonra
11/19/21 4:45:31 PM
#400:


American gun culture is just too much, yet I don't even know what can be done because they're ****ing everywhere. I don't think you should be able to open carry as a civilian, especially at a protest, because it just antagonizes those around you. You should be required to have at most only a smaller gun, holstered on back or hip.

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Jen0125
11/19/21 4:45:40 PM
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Raze_Razel
11/19/21 4:51:00 PM
#402:


Zedonra posted...
American gun culture is just too much, yet I don't even know what can be done because they're ****ing everywhere. I don't think you should be able to open carry as a civilian, especially at a protest, because it just antagonizes those around you. You should be required to have at most only a smaller gun, holstered on back or hip.

Don't bring a gun, bring a gun......make up your mind...

Kyle brought a big scary gun.....Gaige brought a little cutesy gun...."be like Gaige"?.....That would defeat the purpose of a 'peaceful protest' to begin with.
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Raze_Razel
11/19/21 4:51:42 PM
#403:


Jen0125 posted...

Imagine trying to explain the fallacy in logic here.
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IronBornCorps
11/19/21 4:52:02 PM
#404:


Revelation34 posted...
That was ignored because it never happened.

Lolwut? So he just magically appeared in a different state with a legal assault rifle...at 17 years old...

ok...

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Raze_Razel
11/19/21 4:54:47 PM
#405:


IronBornCorps posted...
Lolwut? So he just magically appeared in a different state with a legal assault rifle...at 17 years old...

ok...

You know what "Romeo and Juliet" laws are right?
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