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Gobstoppers12 10/29/21 3:04:02 PM #102:	CyricZ posted... Usually when someone uses a pejorative against you, for most people they'd take a second to reflect on the why and the context, and then formulate a response. Sounds good. I choose to no longer be offended by the label. Thank you for helping me understand. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:959507721] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Usually when someone uses a pejorative against you, for most people they'd take a second to reflect on the why and the context, and then formulate a response.</quote>Sounds good. I choose to no longer be offended by the label. Thank you for helping me understand. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
deoxxys 10/29/21 3:05:42 PM #103:	"I just don't possess the capacity to be sexually attracted to people who are biologically male, regardless of how they identify." Quote from the first girl in the article nails it. Its got nothing to do with some irrational hate of trans people. /end topic --- twylite sprinkle http://tinyurl.com/jeqyas3 https://tinyurl.com/mgvx7h2 <cite>deoxxys posted [p:959507760] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote><quote>"I just don't possess the capacity to be sexually attracted to people who are biologically male, regardless of how they identify."</quote>Quote from the first girl in the article nails it. Its got nothing to do with some irrational hate of trans people. /end topic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/29/21 3:09:26 PM #105:	deoxxys posted... Quote from the first girl in the article nails it. Its got nothing to do with some irrational hate of trans people. /end topic I mean, except for the use of referring to a trans woman as "biologically male", but sure, why not. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959507849] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>deoxxys posted... </cite> <quote>Quote from the first girl in the article nails it. Its got nothing to do with some irrational hate of trans people. /end topic</quote>I mean, except for the use of referring to a trans woman as "biologically male", but sure, why not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 10/29/21 3:10:50 PM #106:	CyricZ posted... I mean, except for the use of referring to a trans woman as "biologically male", but sure, why not. Would you be marginally less offended if instead of "biologically male" she had said "people who are AMAB?" Is it the terminology that bothers you, or is it the very notion of having a sexual orientation that excludes certain gender identities? --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:959507879] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, except for the use of referring to a trans woman as "biologically male", but sure, why not.</quote>Would you be marginally less offended if instead of "biologically male" she had said "people who are AMAB?" Is it the terminology that bothers you, or is it the very notion of having a sexual orientation that excludes certain gender identities? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lairen 10/29/21 3:11:01 PM #107:	Why are trans people pressuring people to have sex with them? Or guilting those that dont want to have sex with them? --- When it rains, it pours. <cite>Lairen posted [p:959507882] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Why are trans people pressuring people to have sex with them? Or guilting those that dont want to have sex with them? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 10/29/21 3:11:03 PM #108:	horseshoe theory might be the grand unifying theory --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:959507883] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>horseshoe theory might be the grand unifying theory </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 10/29/21 3:11:56 PM #109:	CyricZ posted... I mean, except for the use of referring to a trans woman as "biologically male", but sure, why not. I really highly doubt that term comes from a place of hate or phobia so consistently. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:959507906] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, except for the use of referring to a trans woman as "biologically male", but sure, why not.</quote> I really highly doubt that term comes from a place of hate or phobia so consistently. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Musourenka 10/29/21 3:14:08 PM #110:	"Biologically male" is pretty transphobic language though. She should have said male genitalia or male parts or something like that. --- Shooing away pigeons crapping on debate tables is not a violation of the pigeons' free speech. <cite>Musourenka posted [p:959507968] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>"Biologically male" is pretty transphobic language though. She should have said male genitalia or male parts or something like that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bass_X0 10/29/21 3:15:15 PM #111:	Musourenka posted... "Biologically male" is pretty transphobic language though. Culture is still in a transitional period. There are those of us who were alive before the 2000s. --- "Well, it's not a bad game. It's made by Capcom, so how could it?" ~ AVGN <cite>Bass_X0 posted [p:959508001] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Musourenka posted... </cite> <quote>"Biologically male" is pretty transphobic language though.</quote> Culture is still in a transitional period. There are those of us who were alive before the 2000s. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 10/29/21 3:17:09 PM #112:	Bass_X0 posted... Culture is still in a transitional period. There are those of us who were alive before the 2000s. That's fine, assuming efforts are made. Like using the wrong pronoun by reflex or habit or whatever isn't a huge deal if it's unintentional. It's pretty easy to tell the difference. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/M8h2ATe https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:959508055] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Bass_X0 posted... </cite> <quote>Culture is still in a transitional period. There are those of us who were alive before the 2000s.</quote>That's fine, assuming efforts are made. Like using the wrong pronoun by reflex or habit or whatever isn't a huge deal if it's unintentional. It's pretty easy to tell the difference. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/29/21 3:17:28 PM #113:	Gobstoppers12 posted... Would you be marginally less offended if instead of "biologically male" she had said "people who are AMAB?" Is it the terminology that bothers you, or is it the very notion of having a sexual orientation that excludes certain gender identities? For me personally? It's the flippancy, more than anything else, honestly. Trans people go through so much and they just want to be in a way that makes them happy, and the flippant way people just decide to remind them they're "biologically male" or "not quite passing" or "will never be a real woman", for example. Like I get that a large number of people in this world just don't get it, and it requires a real view into a trans person's life and struggle to understand the pain that these kind of comments can cause. I just think there's a base respect for trans people that is just so... lacking. Bass_X0 posted... Culture is still in a transitional period. There are those of us who were alive before the 2000s. I don't take these kinds of direct confrontation into my daily life. I know I can deal with, for example, older people who just haven't learned yet, and that's fine. I don't think it's the same thing when discussing this with people on CE. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959508071] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>Would you be marginally less offended if instead of "biologically male" she had said "people who are AMAB?" Is it the terminology that bothers you, or is it the very notion of having a sexual orientation that excludes certain gender identities?</quote>For me personally? It's the flippancy, more than anything else, honestly. Trans people go through so much and they just want to be in a way that makes them happy, and the flippant way people just decide to remind them they're "biologically male" or "not quite passing" or "will never be a real woman", for example. Like I get that a large number of people in this world just don't get it, and it requires a real view into a trans person's life and struggle to understand the pain that these kind of comments can cause. I just think there's a base respect for trans people that is just so... lacking. Bass_X0 posted... </cite> <quote>Culture is still in a transitional period. There are those of us who were alive before the 2000s.</quote>I don't take these kinds of direct confrontation into my daily life. I know I can deal with, for example, older people who just haven't learned yet, and that's fine. I don't think it's the same thing when discussing this with people on CE. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Musourenka 10/29/21 3:17:38 PM #114:	Bass_X0 posted... Culture is still in a transitional period. There are those of us who were alive before the 2000s. Myself included. But I'd rather we move away from terms like that as it implies (possibly unintentionally) that the trans person in question is not really the gender they identify. --- Shooing away pigeons crapping on debate tables is not a violation of the pigeons' free speech. <cite>Musourenka posted [p:959508076] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Bass_X0 posted... </cite> <quote>Culture is still in a transitional period. There are those of us who were alive before the 2000s.</quote> Myself included. But I'd rather we move away from terms like that as it implies (possibly unintentionally) that the trans person in question is not really the gender they identify. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/29/21 3:20:13 PM #115:	Its been uncovered that Lily Cade, one of the cis women quoted in BBCs latest bullshit as having been coerced into sex with a trans woman, has her own history of serial sexual assault on other women. http://therealpornwikileaks.com/dolly-leigh-jasmine-summers-accuse-lily-cade-assault/ On top of that, the trans sex worker who she refers to in the piece has come forward to say that she didnt care that Lily turned her down, and she respected Lilys choice not to do the scene together. Gemma Stone has done an excellent Medium post about all the holes in the article, and how its obvious that the BBC didnt do an ounce of fact checking. You can read that here: https://medium.com/@notCursedE/bbc-anti-trans-propaganda-explained-d85ac4b6c691 Image Source: https://twitter.com/katyscartoons/status/1453291199553548293?s=21 --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:959508156] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Its been uncovered that Lily Cade, one of the cis women quoted in BBCs latest bullshit as having been coerced into sex with a trans woman, has her own history of serial sexual assault on other women. http://therealpornwikileaks.com/dolly-leigh-jasmine-summers-accuse-lily-cade-assault/ On top of that, the trans sex worker who she refers to in the piece has come forward to say that she didnt care that Lily turned her down, and she respected Lilys choice not to do the scene together. Gemma Stone has done an excellent Medium post about all the holes in the article, and how its obvious that the BBC didnt do an ounce of fact checking. You can read that here: https://medium.com/@notCursedE/bbc-anti-trans-propaganda-explained-d85ac4b6c691 Image Source: https://twitter.com/katyscartoons/status/1453291199553548293?s=21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 10/29/21 3:20:43 PM #116:	Musourenka posted... Myself included. But I'd rather we move away from terms like that as it implies (possibly unintentionally) that the trans person in question is not really the gender they identify. Isn't the whole point that gender is different from sex? Wouldn't that be a dividing barrier? Man, I feel like I'm the bad guy arguing lately. I've always been arguing on the trans side, I think I've been here long enough that you all know that. And I could be entirely wrong here, but it just seems like there's so much bullshit euphemism to avoid hurting feelings, rather than just trying to establish the same baseline respect any grouping of sex/gender/orientation/ethnicity/etc should get. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:959508173] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Musourenka posted... </cite> <quote>Myself included. But I'd rather we move away from terms like that as it implies (possibly unintentionally) that the trans person in question is not really the gender they identify.</quote> Isn't the whole point that gender is different from sex? Wouldn't that be a dividing barrier? Man, I feel like I'm the bad guy arguing lately. I've always been arguing on the trans side, I think I've been here long enough that you all know that. And I could be entirely wrong here, but it just seems like there's so much bullshit euphemism to avoid hurting feelings, rather than just trying to establish the same baseline respect any grouping of sex/gender/orientation/ethnicity/etc should get. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/29/21 3:24:19 PM #117:	Guide posted... it just seems like there's so much bullshit euphemism to avoid hurting feelings, rather than just trying to establish the same baseline respect any grouping of sex/gender/orientation/ethnicity/etc should get. If you want to avoid hurting feelings, then that "baseline respect" will have to include knowledge about what it means to respect someone of that group, and you get that knowledge from them. And I don't deny there's a bit more complexity in the respect of a trans person over, say, an Italian person, but if you honestly want to avoid that, I'd think taking the time to learn is worth it. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959508267] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Guide posted... </cite> <quote>it just seems like there's so much bullshit euphemism to avoid hurting feelings, rather than just trying to establish the same baseline respect any grouping of sex/gender/orientation/ethnicity/etc should get.</quote>If you want to avoid hurting feelings, then that "baseline respect" will have to include knowledge about what it means to respect someone of that group, and you get that knowledge from them. And I don't deny there's a bit more complexity in the respect of a trans person over, say, an Italian person, but if you honestly want to avoid that, I'd think taking the time to learn is worth it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 10/29/21 3:24:32 PM #118:	CyricZ posted... I mean if that's the case, then nothing you or anything anyone else says in this topic could be considered reasonable, because we all have differing opinions. I only frame things in this way, because people here seem to be looking for a black-and-white "out" on "being a transphobe". These very polls and these very topics suggest people looking for hard lines on where being a transphobe is and isn't, and like you suggest, it's never that easy. Much like with racism. Or sexism. All you're going to get are opinions. Again, you go right back to black and white thinking. Like everything is all or nothing. People can be right or wrong to various degrees. Some things are very wrong like violence, but words can be more complicated. Preferences can be a degree of an ism or phobia, but not necessarily. Again, you are the one who seems so intent on conclusions and telling everyone right or wrong. You never ever seen able to acknowledge nuance. Then again, I just communicated that with a black and white statement. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:959508275] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>I mean if that's the case, then nothing you or anything anyone else says in this topic could be considered reasonable, because we all have differing opinions. I only frame things in this way, because people here seem to be looking for a black-and-white "out" on "being a transphobe". These very polls and these very topics suggest people looking for hard lines on where being a transphobe is and isn't, and like you suggest, it's never that easy. Much like with racism. Or sexism. All you're going to get are opinions.</quote> Again, you go right back to black and white thinking. Like everything is all or nothing. People can be right or wrong to various degrees. Some things are very wrong like violence, but words can be more complicated. Preferences can be a degree of an ism or phobia, but not necessarily. Again, you are the one who seems so intent on conclusions and telling everyone right or wrong. You never ever seen able to acknowledge nuance. Then again, I just communicated that with a black and white statement. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/29/21 3:24:44 PM #119:	And you can have a genital preference, but if your vagina preference excludes trans women who have a vagina? It's not a genital preference. Also, falling for another hit piece from TERF island? Sad. One regarding lesbians, of which maybe a half dozen posters on this board happen to be? Creepy. And speaking over trans people to defend your own views which discriminate against us? That's just trying to vindicate yourself of any guilt, as so many have done before. Disgusting. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:959508278] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>And you can have a genital preference, but if your vagina preference excludes trans women who have a vagina? It's not a genital preference. Also, falling for another hit piece from TERF island? Sad. One regarding lesbians, of which maybe a half dozen posters on this board happen to be? Creepy. And speaking over trans people to defend your own views which discriminate against us? That's just trying to vindicate yourself of any guilt, as so many have done before. Disgusting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/29/21 3:25:11 PM #120:	gunplagirl posted... Gemma Stone has done an excellent Medium post about all the holes in the article, and how its obvious that the BBC didnt do an ounce of fact checking. I feel like the more realistic/pragmatic approach is that the BBC did fact check it and chose to publish lies instead. This is not CDPR "oops" level shit they're doing. They've had a long consistent pattern of direct extended attacks on trans rights. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:959508287] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>Gemma Stone has done an excellent Medium post about all the holes in the article, and how its obvious that the BBC didnt do an ounce of fact checking.</quote> I feel like the more realistic/pragmatic approach is that the BBC did fact check it and chose to publish lies instead. This is not CDPR "oops" level shit they're doing. They've had a long consistent pattern of direct extended attacks on trans rights. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/29/21 3:26:07 PM #121:	TommyG663513 posted... Then again, I just communicated that with a black and white statement. So who's the one with the problem then? My first post in this topic was respecting the nuance of the situation. If you can't see that and put up your own black-and-white blinders when it comes to the things I say, then I don't think I'm the one with the problem. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959508315] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>TommyG663513 posted... </cite> <quote>Then again, I just communicated that with a black and white statement.</quote>So who's the one with the problem then? My first post in this topic was respecting the nuance of the situation. If you can't see that and put up your own black-and-white blinders when it comes to the things I say, then I don't think I'm the one with the problem. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Musourenka 10/29/21 3:29:25 PM #122:	Guide posted... Isn't the whole point that gender is different from sex? Wouldn't that be a dividing barrier? Man, I feel like I'm the bad guy arguing lately. I've always been arguing on the trans side, I think I've been here long enough that you all know that. And I could be entirely wrong here, but it just seems like there's so much bullshit euphemism to avoid hurting feelings, rather than just trying to establish the same baseline respect any grouping of sex/gender/orientation/ethnicity/etc should get. Yes, but terms like "Assigned Male/Female at birth" do better in both separating sex and gender, and also recognizing the identity of the person in question. Maybe there is a little too much focus on hurt feelings; as a cis male, I can't really say for sure without being in their shoes. I'd guess that part of the reason for these terms is because trans hate is such a real and deadly thing so sometimes we "overcorrect" just in case. --- Shooing away pigeons crapping on debate tables is not a violation of the pigeons' free speech. <cite>Musourenka posted [p:959508409] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Guide posted... </cite> <quote>Isn't the whole point that gender is different from sex? Wouldn't that be a dividing barrier? Man, I feel like I'm the bad guy arguing lately. I've always been arguing on the trans side, I think I've been here long enough that you all know that. And I could be entirely wrong here, but it just seems like there's so much bullshit euphemism to avoid hurting feelings, rather than just trying to establish the same baseline respect any grouping of sex/gender/orientation/ethnicity/etc should get.</quote> Yes, but terms like "Assigned Male/Female at birth" do better in both separating sex and gender, and also recognizing the identity of the person in question. Maybe there is a little too much focus on hurt feelings; as a cis male, I can't really say for sure without being in their shoes. I'd guess that part of the reason for these terms is because trans hate is such a real and deadly thing so sometimes we "overcorrect" just in case. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/29/21 3:29:39 PM #123:	Tyranthraxus posted... I feel like the more realistic/pragmatic approach is that the BBC did fact check it and chose to publish lies instead. This is not CDPR "oops" level shit they're doing. They've had a long consistent pattern of direct extended attacks on trans rights. I mean, if it's to attack trans people they'll never really give anything scrutiny. The BBC is trash. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:959508415] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>I feel like the more realistic/pragmatic approach is that the BBC did fact check it and chose to publish lies instead. This is not CDPR "oops" level shit they're doing. They've had a long consistent pattern of direct extended attacks on trans rights.</quote>I mean, if it's to attack trans people they'll never really give anything scrutiny. The BBC is trash. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 10/29/21 3:32:24 PM #124:	CyricZ posted... If you want to avoid hurting feelings, then that "baseline respect" will have to include knowledge about what it means to respect someone of that group, and you get that knowledge from them. And I don't deny there's a bit more complexity in the respect of a trans person over, say, an Italian person, but if you honestly want to avoid that, I'd think taking the time to learn is worth it. What complexities are involved with Italian people, exactly? What complexities with anything else? It's one thing to go to someone's house and not follow their rules, but on the same neutral territory, what about some innate quality of an Italian or what-have-you- requires some altered complexity of respect? I believe a baseline should be a baseline, you know, treating people equally. That's kind of a founding notion for a lot of people, I think. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:959508480] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>If you want to avoid hurting feelings, then that "baseline respect" will have to include knowledge about what it means to respect someone of that group, and you get that knowledge from them. And I don't deny there's a bit more complexity in the respect of a trans person over, say, an Italian person, but if you honestly want to avoid that, I'd think taking the time to learn is worth it.</quote> What complexities are involved with Italian people, exactly? What complexities with anything else? It's one thing to go to someone's house and not follow their rules, but on the same neutral territory, what about some innate quality of an Italian or what-have-you- requires some altered complexity of respect? I believe a baseline should be a baseline, you know, treating people equally. That's kind of a founding notion for a lot of people, I think. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/29/21 3:33:46 PM #125:	Guide posted... What complexities are involved with Italian people, exactly? Very few if you're familiar with Western culture, which is my point. I believe a baseline should be a baseline, you know, treating people equally. That's kind of a founding notion for a lot of people, I think. Well there's "equality vs. equity" again. If you treated everyone you met with a firm right-handed handshake, what would you do if you met someone without a right hand? --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959508526] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Guide posted... </cite> <quote>What complexities are involved with Italian people, exactly?</quote>Very few if you're familiar with Western culture, which is my point. <quote>I believe a baseline should be a baseline, you know, treating people equally. That's kind of a founding notion for a lot of people, I think.</quote>Well there's "equality vs. equity" again. If you treated everyone you met with a firm right-handed handshake, what would you do if you met someone without a right hand? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 10/29/21 3:34:02 PM #126:	Are people seriously comparing trans people to Italians? --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:959508535] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Are people seriously comparing trans people to Italians? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/29/21 3:37:09 PM #127:	gunplagirl posted... Are people seriously comparing trans people to Italians? Sorry, it was just a group that flew into my head. I'm honestly regretting it. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959508614] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>Are people seriously comparing trans people to Italians?</quote>Sorry, it was just a group that flew into my head. I'm honestly regretting it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 10/29/21 3:37:18 PM #128:	Lairen posted... Why are trans people pressuring people to have sex with them? Or guilting those that dont want to have sex with them? This is the thing that people keep overlooking. Regardless of any sort of reason. You have to respect someone not wanting to have sex with anybody for any reason. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:959508620] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Lairen posted... </cite> <quote>Why are trans people pressuring people to have sex with them? Or guilting those that dont want to have sex with them?</quote> This is the thing that people keep overlooking. Regardless of any sort of reason. You have to respect someone not wanting to have sex with anybody for any reason. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 10/29/21 3:37:49 PM #129:	I don't see anything wrong with "genital preference" but it could be kinda grey. Like what if you liked someone well enough to date them, find out they're pre-op but you don't like penises? Seems like a possible situation. --- https://imgur.com/x04tPRZ https://imgur.com/t7T392I <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:959508631] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>I don't see anything wrong with "genital preference" but it could be kinda grey. Like what if you liked someone well enough to date them, find out they're pre-op but you don't like penises? Seems like a possible situation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/29/21 3:37:53 PM #130:	TommyG663513 posted... This is the thing that people keep overlooking. Because it's not happening. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959508634] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>TommyG663513 posted... </cite> <quote>This is the thing that people keep overlooking.</quote>Because it's not happening. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 10/29/21 3:39:42 PM #131:	CyricZ posted... So who's the one with the problem then? My first post in this topic was respecting the nuance of the situation. If you can't see that and put up your own black-and-white blinders when it comes to the things I say, then I don't think I'm the one with the problem. I said one black and white sentence and your whole worldview seems very black and white. It is difficult to call you out for being so black and white without phrasing it in such terms. Knowing you tend to shout isms and phobias at people over minor things, well.... What I'm trying to say is that you're insufferably far left on the spectrum here and you'd benefit from a little more grey. Again, I'm a bisexual person. You won't ever know my experience even if you are bisexual too. Sometimes you can't just draw an easy conclusion, but sometimes you can. You seem intent on this idea of being right and proving others wrong. The reality is that current society doesn't exactly have clear cut answers for everything and we may look back on this very differently in ten years. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:959508675] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>So who's the one with the problem then? My first post in this topic was respecting the nuance of the situation. If you can't see that and put up your own black-and-white blinders when it comes to the things I say, then I don't think I'm the one with the problem.</quote> I said one black and white sentence and your whole worldview seems very black and white. It is difficult to call you out for being so black and white without phrasing it in such terms. Knowing you tend to shout isms and phobias at people over minor things, well.... What I'm trying to say is that you're insufferably far left on the spectrum here and you'd benefit from a little more grey. Again, I'm a bisexual person. You won't ever know my experience even if you are bisexual too. Sometimes you can't just draw an easy conclusion, but sometimes you can. You seem intent on this idea of being right and proving others wrong. The reality is that current society doesn't exactly have clear cut answers for everything and we may look back on this very differently in ten years. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 10/29/21 3:41:38 PM #132:	CyricZ posted... Because it's not happening. Ok you're 100% wrong on that one lol How do you think this discussion started? Cause now you're just denying that a discussion is going on based on this exact scenario --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:959508717] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Because it's not happening.</quote> Ok you're 100% wrong on that one lol How do you think this discussion started? Cause now you're just denying that a discussion is going on based on this exact scenario </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/29/21 3:47:02 PM #133:	TommyG663513 posted... Knowing you tend to shout isms and phobias at people over minor things, well.... Did I call anyone a racist or a transphobe in this topic? What I'm trying to say is that you're insufferably far left on the spectrum here and you'd benefit from a little more grey. I don't self identify in political leaning, so the only word worth addressing there is "insufferable". For that, I apologize. I don't give up easy, and I find myself drawn to this type of conflict. You seem intent on this idea of being right and proving others wrong. I'm intent on establishing my opinion and challenging those I disagree with, but even so, isn't what you say just a description of argument in general? --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959508860] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>TommyG663513 posted... </cite> <quote>Knowing you tend to shout isms and phobias at people over minor things, well....</quote>Did I call anyone a racist or a transphobe in this topic? <quote>What I'm trying to say is that you're insufferably far left on the spectrum here and you'd benefit from a little more grey.</quote>I don't self identify in political leaning, so the only word worth addressing there is "insufferable". For that, I apologize. I don't give up easy, and I find myself drawn to this type of conflict. <quote>You seem intent on this idea of being right and proving others wrong.</quote>I'm intent on establishing my opinion and challenging those I disagree with, but even so, isn't what you say just a description of argument in general? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 10/29/21 3:48:13 PM #135:	TommyG663513 posted... Ok you're 100% wrong on that one lol No trans person is pressuring anyone to have sex with them. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959508905] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>TommyG663513 posted... </cite> <quote>Ok you're 100% wrong on that one lol</quote>No trans person is pressuring anyone to have sex with them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 10/29/21 3:48:31 PM #136:	CyricZ posted... Did I call anyone a racist or a transphobe in this topic? I don't self identify in political leaning, so the only word worth addressing there is "insufferable". For that, I apologize. I don't give up easy, and I find myself drawn to this type of conflict. I'm intent on establishing my opinion and challenging those I disagree with, but even so, isn't what you say just a description of argument in general? Dude, you're well established on these boards. You say a TON of far left stuff that seems to lack any small nuance. You do shout phobias and isms at people. These points are not debatable. You're just in complete denial. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:959508915] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Did I call anyone a racist or a transphobe in this topic? I don't self identify in political leaning, so the only word worth addressing there is "insufferable". For that, I apologize. I don't give up easy, and I find myself drawn to this type of conflict. I'm intent on establishing my opinion and challenging those I disagree with, but even so, isn't what you say just a description of argument in general?</quote> Dude, you're well established on these boards. You say a TON of far left stuff that seems to lack any small nuance. You do shout phobias and isms at people. These points are not debatable. You're just in complete denial. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crescente 10/29/21 3:49:47 PM #137:	I'm pretty sure Cyric is just trolling at this point <cite>Crescente posted [p:959508943] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>I'm pretty sure Cyric is just trolling at this point </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/29/21 3:49:57 PM #138:	TommyG663513 posted... These points are not debatable. You're just in complete denial. Something so obvious I'd think you could prove. And you accuse me of this black-and-white worldview. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959508949] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>TommyG663513 posted... </cite> <quote>These points are not debatable. You're just in complete denial.</quote>Something so obvious I'd think you could prove. And you accuse me of this black-and-white worldview. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/29/21 3:50:42 PM #139:	epik_fail1 posted... Then why did it happen to me on Grindr? Did you mention this in the topic already? I'm sorry if I missed that. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959508970] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>epik_fail1 posted... </cite> <quote>Then why did it happen to me on Grindr?</quote>Did you mention this in the topic already? I'm sorry if I missed that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RenescoStCewl 10/29/21 3:51:58 PM #140:	Musourenka posted... "Biologically male" is pretty transphobic language though. She should have said male genitalia or male parts or something like that. If biological male is transphobic wouldn't male genitals or male parts also be transphobic? --- sTrOM ThuRmONd!!! <cite>RenescoStCewl posted [p:959509003] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Musourenka posted... </cite> <quote>"Biologically male" is pretty transphobic language though. She should have said male genitalia or male parts or something like that.</quote>If biological male is transphobic wouldn't male genitals or male parts also be transphobic? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DrizztLink 10/29/21 3:58:23 PM #141:	RenescoStCewl posted... If biological male is transphobic wouldn't male genitals or male parts also be transphobic? The former is rather more encompassing and final. --- http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://imgur.com/M8h2ATe https://imgur.com/6ezFwG1 <cite>DrizztLink posted [p:959509180] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>RenescoStCewl posted... </cite> <quote>If biological male is transphobic wouldn't male genitals or male parts also be transphobic?</quote>The former is rather more encompassing and final. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 10/29/21 4:07:00 PM #142:	Lairen posted... Why are trans people pressuring people to have sex with them? Or guilting those that dont want to have sex with them? I'm sure there's a percentage of trans people that do pressure other people into having sex with them. that's going to happen with any demographic. I don't think it's actually relevant to the conversation here, unless you can demonstrate that trans people actually do it more frequently than the general population --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:959509426] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Lairen posted... </cite> <quote>Why are trans people pressuring people to have sex with them? Or guilting those that dont want to have sex with them?</quote>I'm sure there's a percentage of trans people that do pressure other people into having sex with them. that's going to happen with any demographic. I don't think it's actually relevant to the conversation here, unless you can demonstrate that trans people actually do it more frequently than the general population </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 10/29/21 4:07:26 PM #143:	CyricZ posted... Something so obvious I'd think you could prove. And you accuse me of this black-and-white worldview. Yeah you have to be trolling. You're damn near asking me to quote the entire topic as proof and you've been participating in this discussion and countering these points. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:959509447] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Something so obvious I'd think you could prove. And you accuse me of this black-and-white worldview.</quote> Yeah you have to be trolling. You're damn near asking me to quote the entire topic as proof and you've been participating in this discussion and countering these points. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
David1988 10/29/21 4:07:42 PM #144:	We should learn to perceive that penis can also be a female sex organ, its just our unconscious prejudices that doesnt allow us to see it that way, has more to do with cultural upbringing than biological gag reflex of finding penis repulsive because its associated with men. --- "Let's be honest...I'm everybody's type. I just gotta highlight the parts that appeal to her the most" - No_U_L7 <cite>David1988 posted [p:959509454] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>We should learn to perceive that penis can also be a female sex organ, its just our unconscious prejudices that doesnt allow us to see it that way, has more to do with cultural upbringing than biological gag reflex of finding penis repulsive because its associated with men. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 10/29/21 4:10:47 PM #145:	RenescoStCewl posted... If biological male is transphobic wouldn't male genitals or male parts also be transphobic? well, sure, in the broad sense. specifically I would say that the idea of any body parts being inherently gendered is reductive and cis-centric --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:959509541] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>RenescoStCewl posted... </cite> <quote>If biological male is transphobic wouldn't male genitals or male parts also be transphobic?</quote>well, sure, in the broad sense. specifically I would say that the idea of any body parts being inherently gendered is reductive and cis-centric </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Musourenka 10/29/21 4:12:00 PM #146:	RenescoStCewl posted... If biological male is transphobic wouldn't male genitals or male parts also be transphobic? Probably. I'm just not sure the best way to describe the concept other than AMAB or AFAB. --- Shooing away pigeons crapping on debate tables is not a violation of the pigeons' free speech. <cite>Musourenka posted [p:959509574] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>RenescoStCewl posted... </cite> <quote>If biological male is transphobic wouldn't male genitals or male parts also be transphobic?</quote> Probably. I'm just not sure the best way to describe the concept other than AMAB or AFAB. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 10/29/21 4:12:10 PM #147:	David1988 posted... We should learn to perceive that penis can also be a female sex organ, its just our unconscious prejudices that doesnt allow us to see it that way, has more to do with cultural upbringing than biological gag reflex of finding penis repulsive because its associated with men. I really don't think this line of thinking is accurate or productive. It's not an "unconscious prejudice," it's a sexual orientation. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:959509576] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>David1988 posted... </cite> <quote>We should learn to perceive that penis can also be a female sex organ, its just our unconscious prejudices that doesnt allow us to see it that way, has more to do with cultural upbringing than biological gag reflex of finding penis repulsive because its associated with men.</quote>I really don't think this line of thinking is accurate or productive. It's not an "unconscious prejudice," it's a sexual orientation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bass_X0 10/29/21 4:13:02 PM #148:	--- "Well, it's not a bad game. It's made by Capcom, so how could it?" ~ AVGN <cite>Bass_X0 posted [p:959509595] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 10/29/21 4:15:05 PM #149:	Bass_X0 posted... Someone needs to inform Massad that some males have vaginas --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:959509652] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Bass_X0 posted... </cite> <quote></quote>Someone needs to inform Massad that some males have vaginas </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bass_X0 10/29/21 4:15:46 PM #150:	Dathrowed1 posted... Someone needs to inform Massad that some males have vaginas Lil Nas X isn't gay for those males. He likes the male mind, he likes the male body. --- "Well, it's not a bad game. It's made by Capcom, so how could it?" ~ AVGN <cite>Bass_X0 posted [p:959509672] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>Someone needs to inform Massad that some males have vaginas</quote> Lil Nas X isn't gay for those males. He likes the male mind, he likes the male body. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/29/21 4:15:58 PM #151:	TommyG663513 posted... Yeah you have to be trolling. You're damn near asking me to quote the entire topic as proof and you've been participating in this discussion and countering these points. Hey if you're not looking to commit, don't say "this is not debatable" like it's some proven and accepted fact. I asked you to prove I called someone a transphobe or racist or whatever and you don't want to commit to that. This is why I keep arguing by the way. ~~Because so many of you are just so bad at it.~~ --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959509677] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>TommyG663513 posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah you have to be trolling. You're damn near asking me to quote the entire topic as proof and you've been participating in this discussion and countering these points.</quote>Hey if you're not looking to commit, don't say "this is not debatable" like it's some proven and accepted fact. I asked you to prove I called someone a transphobe or racist or whatever and you don't want to commit to that. This is why I keep arguing by the way. Because so many of you are just so bad at it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 10/29/21 4:18:21 PM #152:	Bass_X0 posted... Lil Nas X isn't gay for those males. He likes the male mind, he likes the male body. See Sammy's remarks --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:959509747] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Bass_X0 posted... </cite> <quote>Lil Nas X isn't gay for those males. He likes the male mind, he likes the male body.</quote>See Sammy's remarks </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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