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CyricZ 10/31/21 1:34:32 PM #353:	Gobstoppers12 posted... What makes you believe that it's a pejorative? It's not an insult. It's an orientation. You're the one who decided being transphobic is not a pejorative. I'm not going through the mental gymnastics to play a game of your own making. EDIT: Also called it. I don't know why anyone ever says "the debate is over" or "I'm leaving this topic". It never sticks. Ever. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959562791] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>What makes you believe that it's a pejorative? It's not an insult. It's an orientation.</quote>You're the one who decided being transphobic is not a pejorative. I'm not going through the mental gymnastics to play a game of your own making. EDIT: Also called it. I don't know why anyone ever says "the debate is over" or "I'm leaving this topic". It never sticks. Ever. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 10/31/21 2:06:32 PM #354:	CyricZ posted... I don't know why anyone ever says "the debate is over" Using context clues, we can deduce that I was talking to that specific user. I'm not debating with him over it. The fact that "transphobic" has lost all its former bite is a fact, now. I've made a decision on that. So what makes you think it's a pejorative? Can you explain why I should feel insulted? Specifically? --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:959563678] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>I don't know why anyone ever says "the debate is over"</quote>Using context clues, we can deduce that I was talking to that specific user. I'm not debating with him over it. The fact that "transphobic" has lost all its former bite is a fact, now. I've made a decision on that. So what makes you think it's a pejorative? Can you explain why I should feel insulted? Specifically? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
deoxxys 10/31/21 2:22:40 PM #355:	deoxxys posted... Did you read the article linked in the OP? Theres more then one thing there to dwell on: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-57853385 Heres the excerpt: Another lesbian woman, 26-year-old Chloe, said she felt so pressured she ended up having penetrative sex with a trans woman at university after repeatedly explaining she was not interested.* They lived near each other in halls of residence. Chloe had been drinking alcohol and does not think she could have given proper consent. "I felt very bad for hating every moment, because the idea is we are attracted to gender rather than sex, and I did not feel that, and I felt bad for feeling like that," she said. Ashamed and embarrassed, she decided not to tell anyone. "The language at the time was very much 'trans women are women, they are always women, lesbians should date them'. And I was like, that's the reason I rejected this person. Does that make me bad? Am I not going to be allowed to be in the LGBT community anymore? Am I going to face repercussions for that instead?' So I didn't actually tell anyone." Last page or so of replies has led me to believe no one gives a damn about the influence labeling people as bigots or transphobic has on others. You can SAY "no ones FORCING you to have sex with trans people", as much as you like but the fact is you ARE guilting people into feeling like they have to. STOP, you are contributing to a toxic culture. --- twylite sprinkle http://tinyurl.com/jeqyas3 https://tinyurl.com/mgvx7h2 <cite>deoxxys posted [p:959564126] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>deoxxys posted... </cite> <quote>Did you read the article linked in the OP? Theres more then one thing there to dwell on: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-57853385 Heres the excerpt: Another lesbian woman, 26-year-old Chloe*, said she felt so pressured she ended up having penetrative sex with a trans woman at university after repeatedly explaining she was not interested. They lived near each other in halls of residence. Chloe had been drinking alcohol and does not think she could have given proper consent. "I felt very bad for hating every moment, because the idea is we are attracted to gender rather than sex, and I did not feel that, and I felt bad for feeling like that," she said. Ashamed and embarrassed, she decided not to tell anyone. "The language at the time was very much 'trans women are women, they are always women, lesbians should date them'. And I was like, that's the reason I rejected this person. Does that make me bad? Am I not going to be allowed to be in the LGBT community anymore? Am I going to face repercussions for that instead?' So I didn't actually tell anyone."</quote>Last page or so of replies has led me to believe no one gives a damn about the influence labeling people as bigots or transphobic has on others. You can SAY "no ones FORCING you to have sex with trans people", as much as you like but the fact is you ARE guilting people into feeling like they have to. STOP, you are contributing to a toxic culture. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/31/21 2:55:40 PM #356:	Gobstoppers12 posted... The fact that "transphobic" has lost all its former bite is a fact, now. Hardly. This is your opinion and always was your opinion, using your own little Etch-a-Sketch logic. As you might have figured out, no one cares that you've decided the word "transphobic" has no more meaning to you. Nor do I honestly believe you believe that, given the lengths you're going to justify it. This is posturing and blustering for your own ego. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959565057] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Gobstoppers12 posted... </cite> <quote>The fact that "transphobic" has lost all its former bite is a fact, now.</quote>Hardly. This is your opinion and always was your opinion, using your own little Etch-a-Sketch logic. As you might have figured out, no one cares that you've decided the word "transphobic" has no more meaning to you. Nor do I honestly believe you believe that, given the lengths you're going to justify it. This is posturing and blustering for your own ego. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 10/31/21 2:56:34 PM #357:	CyricZ posted... Nor do I honestly believe you believe that, given the lengths you're going to justify it I mean, believe what you want, dude. I'm not your professor. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:959565085] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Nor do I honestly believe you believe that, given the lengths you're going to justify it</quote>I mean, believe what you want, dude. I'm not your professor. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bass_X0 10/31/21 2:59:53 PM #358:	no one cares that you've decided the word "transphobic" has no more meaning to you. If some people are going to call heterosexuals or homosexuals "transphobic" just for being straight or gay, then there are suddenly a large number of transphobic people in the world. --- "Well, it's not a bad game. It's made by Capcom, so how could it?" ~ AVGN <cite>Bass_X0 posted [p:959565196] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote><quote>no one cares that you've decided the word "transphobic" has no more meaning to you.</quote> If some people are going to call heterosexuals or homosexuals "transphobic" just for being straight or gay, then there are suddenly a large number of transphobic people in the world. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 10/31/21 3:00:31 PM #359:	Bass_X0 posted... If some people are going to call heterosexuals or homosexuals "transphobic" just for being straight or gay, then there are suddenly a large number of transphobic people in the world. that isn't what's happening though --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:959565216] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Bass_X0 posted... </cite> <quote>If some people are going to call heterosexuals or homosexuals "transphobic" just for being straight or gay, then there are suddenly a large number of transphobic people in the world.</quote>that isn't what's happening though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 10/31/21 3:02:52 PM #360:	Bass_X0 posted... If some people are going to call heterosexuals or homosexuals "transphobic" just for being straight or gay, then there are suddenly a large number of transphobic people in the world. This is not a thing I have done. If you'll observe the topic, not once did I ever say this. Every criticism to my argument has required a considerable amount of mental gymnastics to "figure out what I'm really saying" by people who simply don't want to accept a simple scenario. --- CyricZ He/him <cite>CyricZ posted [p:959565286] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Bass_X0 posted... </cite> <quote>If some people are going to call heterosexuals or homosexuals "transphobic" just for being straight or gay, then there are suddenly a large number of transphobic people in the world.</quote>This is not a thing I have done. If you'll observe the topic, not once did I ever say this. Every criticism to my argument has required a considerable amount of mental gymnastics to "figure out what I'm really saying" by people who simply don't want to accept a simple scenario. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Middle hope 10/31/21 3:02:52 PM #361:	This is still going on? Why? Its a cut and dry issue. Trying to shame lesbians for not wanting to deal with a penis (no matter how feminine one may think it is) is a big ol YIKES! --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://imgur.com/PmX8smn https://imgur.com/mwTy0iF https://imgur.com/FCER80e <cite>Middle hope posted [p:959565287] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>This is still going on? Why? Its a cut and dry issue. Trying to shame lesbians for not wanting to deal with a penis (no matter how feminine one may think it is) is a big ol YIKES! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryuko_Chan 10/31/21 3:47:00 PM #362:	i am so tired of cis people thank god i am t4t --- - silverhyruler post <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:959566555] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>i am so tired of cis people thank god i am t4t </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/31/21 7:58:23 PM #363:	Bass_X0 posted... If some people are going to call heterosexuals or homosexuals "transphobic" just for being straight or gay, then there are suddenly a large number of transphobic people in the world. Oh look the true colors coming through. The real motivation here seems to be dehumanizing trans people. Remind me how that isn't transphobia? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:959573970] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Bass_X0 posted... </cite> <quote>If some people are going to call heterosexuals or homosexuals "transphobic" just for being straight or gay, then there are suddenly a large number of transphobic people in the world.</quote>Oh look the true colors coming through. The real motivation here seems to be dehumanizing trans people. Remind me how that isn't transphobia? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dathrowed1 10/31/21 11:14:14 PM #365:	epik_fail1 posted... It's not. It would be like claiming calling out a straight man for guilting a lesbian into having sex with her "misandry". As the article showed one lesbian was nearly guilted into having sex with a transwoman to avoid transphobia. I say nearly because while it didn't work she was raped anyways --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:959579059] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>epik_fail1 posted... </cite> <quote>It's not. It would be like claiming calling out a straight man for guilting a lesbian into having sex with her "misandry".</quote>As the article showed one lesbian was nearly guilted into having sex with a transwoman to avoid transphobia. I say nearly because while it didn't work she was raped anyways </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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viewmaster_pi 11/01/21 12:33:48 AM #367:	Ryuko_Chan posted... i am so tired of cis people imagine how fast you'd get modded if you switched cis to something else --- Smooth hands that I'd been stripped of, I knew the ground 'til I was flying <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:959580968] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Ryuko_Chan posted... </cite> <quote>i am so tired of cis people</quote>imagine how fast you'd get modded if you switched cis to something else </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kanatteru 11/01/21 12:58:35 AM #368:	viewmaster_pi posted... imagine how fast you'd get modded if you switched cis to something else yes a sentence changes meaning when you change the words --- despair-inducing \| she/her <cite>Kanatteru posted [p:959581398] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted... </cite> <quote>imagine how fast you'd get modded if you switched cis to something else</quote> yes a sentence changes meaning when you change the words </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryuko_Chan 11/01/21 1:15:23 AM #369:	viewmaster_pi posted... imagine how fast you'd get modded if you switched cis to something else why dont you give it a try and lets see what happens? im curious --- - silverhyruler post <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:959581667] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted... </cite> <quote>imagine how fast you'd get modded if you switched cis to something else</quote>why dont you give it a try and lets see what happens? im curious </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 11/01/21 1:33:20 AM #370:	Kanatteru posted... yes a sentence changes meaning when you change the words the meaning of the sentence wouldn't change at all, it's just some double standards --- Smooth hands that I'd been stripped of, I knew the ground 'til I was flying <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:959581937] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Kanatteru posted... </cite> <quote>yes a sentence changes meaning when you change the words</quote>the meaning of the sentence wouldn't change at all, it's just some double standards </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 11/01/21 3:01:40 AM #372:	epik_fail1 posted... It's not. It would be like claiming calling out a straight man for guilting a lesbian into having sex with her "misandry". I was responding to someone saying "straight men being straight doesn't make them transphobic." Calling male attraction to trans women gay is definitely transphobic. The fucking bullshit comparison to heterosexuality/homosexuality doesn't become sensible when enough people repeat it in a single topic. And again, not a single person in this topic is forcing anyone to have sex with a specific person. But a straight man saying "I would NEVER date a trans/white/tall/skinny/brunette/foreign/etc woman" requires bias since no one has met everyone and those statements rely on stereotypes and biases. You don't know and you'll never a good relationship with any woman who you boil down to a singular physical trait. Humans are unique and a collection of many traits. Me saying "don't say never" is not the same as "Fuck this person and like it or else" A trans person trying to rape someone doesn't justify being transphobic to all. That's the kind of stuff a Republican would do to justify bathroom bills. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:959582953] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>epik_fail1 posted... </cite> <quote>It's not. It would be like claiming calling out a straight man for guilting a lesbian into having sex with her "misandry".</quote>I was responding to someone saying "straight men being straight doesn't make them transphobic." Calling male attraction to trans women gay is definitely transphobic. The fucking bullshit comparison to heterosexuality/homosexuality doesn't become sensible when enough people repeat it in a single topic. And again, not a single person in this topic is forcing anyone to have sex with a specific person. But a straight man saying "I would NEVER date a trans/white/tall/skinny/brunette/foreign/etc woman" requires bias since no one has met everyone and those statements rely on stereotypes and biases. You don't know and you'll never a good relationship with any woman who you boil down to a singular physical trait. Humans are unique and a collection of many traits. Me saying "don't say never" is not the same as "Fuck this person and like it or else" A trans person trying to rape someone doesn't justify being transphobic to all. That's the kind of stuff a Republican would do to justify bathroom bills. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 11/01/21 11:50:31 PM #373:	Derwood posted... say "trans women are women" but also would not personally have sex with a trans woman. You realize someone who is attracted to women isn't necessarily attracted to EVERY SINGLE FUCKING WOMAN ON THIS PLANET, right? This is something you understand? Just checking. --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:959610093] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>say "trans women are women" but also would not personally have sex with a trans woman.</quote> You realize someone who is attracted to women isn't necessarily attracted to EVERY SINGLE FUCKING WOMAN ON THIS PLANET, right? This is something you understand? Just checking. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 11/02/21 8:21:02 AM #374:	Ilishe posted... You realize someone who is attracted to women isn't necessarily attracted to EVERY SINGLE FUCKING WOMAN ON THIS PLANET, right? This is something you understand? Just checking. Yes, I do understand that. I'm on your side here <cite>Derwood posted [p:959616163] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Ilishe posted... </cite> <quote>You realize someone who is attracted to women isn't necessarily attracted to EVERY SINGLE FUCKING WOMAN ON THIS PLANET, right? This is something you understand? Just checking.</quote> Yes, I do understand that. I'm on your side here </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bass_X0 11/02/21 2:22:43 PM #375:	viewmaster_pi posted... imagine how fast you'd get modded if you switched cis to something else cis white men seem to be the socially accepted punching bag of the day. --- "Well, it's not a bad game. It's made by Capcom, so how could it?" ~ AVGN <cite>Bass_X0 posted [p:959624660] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted... </cite> <quote>imagine how fast you'd get modded if you switched cis to something else</quote> cis white men seem to be the socially accepted punching bag of the day. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bass_X0 11/02/21 2:26:24 PM #376:	hockeybub89 posted... I was responding to someone saying "straight men being straight doesn't make them transphobic." Calling male attraction to trans women gay is definitely transphobic. The fucking bullshit comparison to heterosexuality/homosexuality doesn't become sensible when enough people repeat it in a single topic. And again, not a single person in this topic is forcing anyone to have sex with a specific person. But a straight man saying "I would NEVER date a trans/white/tall/skinny/brunette/foreign/etc woman" requires bias since no one has met everyone and those statements rely on stereotypes and biases. You don't know and you'll never a good relationship with any woman who you boil down to a singular physical trait. Humans are unique and a collection of many traits. Me saying "don't say never" is not the same as "Fuck this person and like it or else" A trans person trying to rape someone doesn't justify being transphobic to all. That's the kind of stuff a Republican would do to justify bathroom bills. having a bad experience traumatic enough to turn someone phobic towards the cause of that trauma is acceptable for everything else though. What makes it okay to have a phobia for some things and not for others? A phobia is a phobia whatever someone is phobic towards, be it dogs, spiders, heights, enclosed spaces, water etc --- "Well, it's not a bad game. It's made by Capcom, so how could it?" ~ AVGN <cite>Bass_X0 posted [p:959624778] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>I was responding to someone saying "straight men being straight doesn't make them transphobic." Calling male attraction to trans women gay is definitely transphobic. The fucking bullshit comparison to heterosexuality/homosexuality doesn't become sensible when enough people repeat it in a single topic. And again, not a single person in this topic is forcing anyone to have sex with a specific person. But a straight man saying "I would NEVER date a trans/white/tall/skinny/brunette/foreign/etc woman" requires bias since no one has met everyone and those statements rely on stereotypes and biases. You don't know and you'll never a good relationship with any woman who you boil down to a singular physical trait. Humans are unique and a collection of many traits. Me saying "don't say never" is not the same as "Fuck this person and like it or else" A trans person trying to rape someone doesn't justify being transphobic to all. That's the kind of stuff a Republican would do to justify bathroom bills.</quote> having a bad experience traumatic enough to turn someone phobic towards the cause of that trauma is acceptable for everything else though. What makes it okay to have a phobia for some things and not for others? A phobia is a phobia whatever someone is phobic towards, be it dogs, spiders, heights, enclosed spaces, water etc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 11/02/21 8:17:02 PM #377:	Hey so it turns out Lily Cade from the article isn't just a serial sexual assaulter. Today people found her neo nazi manifesto, she literally has it on her Twitter. I just can't link because I'd probably get modded. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:959634394] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Hey so it turns out Lily Cade from the article isn't just a serial sexual assaulter. Today people found her neo nazi manifesto, she literally has it on her Twitter. I just can't link because I'd probably get modded. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dioxxys 11/03/21 12:07:23 AM #378:	gunplagirl posted... Hey so it turns out Lily Cade from the article isn't just a serial sexual assaulter. Today people found her neo nazi manifesto, she literally has it on her Twitter. I just can't link because I'd probably get modded. Did some searches and it seems as though I cant find proof of this anywhere, pm link? It is quite evident she hates transgender people though. Though even if this one woman is a horrible person that doesnt really change my stance. <cite>dioxxys posted [p:959641447] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>Hey so it turns out Lily Cade from the article isn't just a serial sexual assaulter. Today people found her neo nazi manifesto, she literally has it on her Twitter. I just can't link because I'd probably get modded.</quote>Did some searches and it seems as though I cant find proof of this anywhere, pm link? It is quite evident she hates transgender people though. Though even if this one woman is a horrible person that doesnt really change my stance. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorkh 11/03/21 2:15:25 AM #379:	^Literally search her name on twitter and its all over there. Im not about to post screenshots because its really fucking heinous shit like gunpla said --- The artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as RebelElite791. <cite>Lorkh posted [p:959643970] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>^Literally search her name on twitter and its all over there. Im not about to post screenshots because its really fucking heinous shit like gunpla said </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
toadfan64 11/03/21 1:23:04 PM #380:	Always get a good amount of laughs from these trans topics here. --- Brawl FC - 5412-9555-6314 Also known as Toadfan64 <cite>toadfan64 posted [p:959655178] in Is a lesbi... [t:79734021]...</cite> <quote>Always get a good amount of laughs from these trans topics here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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