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toyota
10/26/21 8:01:31 AM
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Do you?


people who want it would have gotten it now on their own and they would be in the majority so i dont see the big deal to force/coerce the remaining into getting it
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Antifar
10/26/21 8:02:39 AM
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toyota posted...
people who want it would have gotten it now on their own
This is not true for everyone: people who are immunocompromised, for example. But you know that already. We'll have this same discussion a week from now.

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QwelzaarKane
10/26/21 8:03:42 AM
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Yes. Go get pricked ya pricks

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Southernfatman
10/26/21 8:04:58 AM
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If you actually want this pandemic to be over and people to stop being hurt and dying, you would be. Otherwise you're pro covid and pro death.

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Bananana
10/26/21 8:05:35 AM
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your op is literally backwards

toyota posted...
force/coerce the remaining into getting it
this is the only way to get dumb bastards to get it, because

toyota posted...
people who want it would have gotten it now on their own


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Demon1050
10/26/21 8:20:45 AM
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hell no. It sets a dangerous precedent.

If they can mandate this one they'll start mandating whatever they want. This will lead to "medicines" we don't need, they'll rush the testing and people will be killed/harmed.

No good can come out of it. If you disagree, well, you're being short-sighted and underestimating the greed factor of our species.
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hummus93
10/26/21 8:21:20 AM
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Demon1050 posted...
hell no. It sets a dangerous precedent.

If they can mandate this one they'll start mandating whatever they want. This will lead to "medicines" we don't need, they'll rush the testing and people will be killed/harmed.

No good can come out of it. If you disagree, well, you're being short-sighted and underestimating the greed factor of our species.


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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
10/26/21 8:42:04 AM
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I think everyone SHOULD get the vaccine (besides if medical issues don't allow you to)
But I don't like the mandate itself

first guy I know quit the army after 15 years because of the mandate. Personally I think he's a moron.

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Bananana
10/26/21 8:42:48 AM
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Demon1050 posted...
hell no. It sets a dangerous precedent.

If they can mandate this one they'll start mandating whatever they want.
today i learned that this is the first ever government mandate

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Doom_Art
10/26/21 8:44:56 AM
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Demon1050 posted...
hell no. It sets a dangerous precedent.

If they can mandate this one they'll start mandating whatever they want. This will lead to "medicines" we don't need, they'll rush the testing and people will be killed/harmed.

No good can come out of it. If you disagree, well, you're being short-sighted and underestimating the greed factor of our species.
I got news for you

there's always been vaccine mandates

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toyota
10/26/21 8:45:26 AM
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Bananana posted...
today i learned that this is the first ever government mandate

what was a comparable mandate?

Doom_Art posted...


there's always been vaccine mandates

I dont recall being forced to take something thats been out for just a bunch of months
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Drpooplol
10/26/21 8:46:43 AM
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toyota posted...
what was a comparable mandate?
Other vaccines

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sabrestorm
10/26/21 8:47:02 AM
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In a non communist country you cant force people to put something into their body even for the greater good

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Heartomaton
10/26/21 8:48:08 AM
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Toyota, your recent gimmick is monumentally pathetic.

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pkmnlord
10/26/21 8:48:32 AM
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Yes, and I want to see screaming, crying Republicans being forcibly held down while being administered their shot while they believe in their head that they're being treated the same as slaves 400 years ago.

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WeeWeiWiiWie
10/26/21 8:48:41 AM
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sabrestorm posted...
In a non communist country you cant force people to put something into their body even for the greater good

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/08/states-have-mandated-vaccinations-since-long-before-covid-19/

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QwelzaarKane
10/26/21 8:49:29 AM
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sabrestorm posted...
In a non communist country you cant force people to put something into their body even for the greater good

Who is being forced?

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Doom_Art
10/26/21 8:52:08 AM
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toyota posted...
dont recall being forced to take something thats been out for just a bunch of months
Most public schools and certain careers require you to be up to date on vaccinations lol

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sabrestorm
10/26/21 8:55:34 AM
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QwelzaarKane posted...
Who is being forced?

a mandate is being forced

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QwelzaarKane
10/26/21 8:56:14 AM
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sabrestorm posted...
a mandate is being forced

How?

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ButteryMales
10/26/21 8:56:21 AM
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sabrestorm posted...
In a non communist country you cant force people to put something into their body even for the greater good
Well then the U.S. has been communist since 1905.

Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court upheld the authority of states to enforce compulsory vaccination laws. The Court's decision articulated the view that individual liberty is not absolute and is subject to the police power of the state.
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toyota
10/26/21 9:00:28 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
Most public schools and certain careers require you to be up to date on vaccinations lol

yeah vaccines that have been around for ages or have gone through all the proper testing years and stuff. not pumped out in just a couple of months and being expected to take it, then after a couple of months have some countries restrict its use after starting to see side effects.

im not an anti-vaxxer btw. I even got the flu vax this year lol
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pure_temper
10/26/21 9:01:43 AM
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Demon1050 posted...
hell no. It sets a dangerous precedent.

If they can mandate this one they'll start mandating whatever they want. This will lead to "medicines" we don't need, they'll rush the testing and people will be killed/harmed.

No good can come out of it. If you disagree, well, you're being short-sighted and underestimating the greed factor of our species.


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sabrestorm
10/26/21 9:03:14 AM
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QwelzaarKane posted...
How?

if a mandate is ever put into effect you will see how

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hummus93
10/26/21 9:19:58 AM
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sabrestorm posted...
In a non communist country you cant force people to put something into their body even for the greater good


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i wont be taking the vaccine until 20 years from now
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ButteryMales
10/26/21 9:22:24 AM
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How do so many illiterate people get through the account creation process?
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gna647
10/26/21 9:23:04 AM
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We shouldnt have mandates

but we need them

reason being because people are fucking stupid and selfish, and are not realizing theyre killing people by not getting vaccinated.

theres a line thats drawn when the government has to step in to protect the people of the country. And anti-vaxxers crossed the line


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GMAK2442
10/26/21 9:24:14 AM
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I say this is too much. The covid measure was enough before this.

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WeeWeiWiiWie
10/26/21 9:25:56 AM
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toyota posted...
yeah vaccines that have been around for ages or have gone through all the proper testing years and stuff. not pumped out in just a couple of months and being expected to take it, then after a couple of months have some countries restrict its use after starting to see side effects.

im not an anti-vaxxer btw. I even got the flu vax this year lol

They have gone through all the proper testing. What you're saying is not true.

I'm not saying this because I think you are posting in good faith and "got me", but because I know there are people who aren't active participants in the conversation but are reading your posts.

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littlebro07
10/26/21 9:28:12 AM
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toyota posted...
what was a comparable mandate?

I dont recall being forced to take something thats been out for just a bunch of months

its been almost a year

literally billions of people have been vaccinated without issues

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QwelzaarKane
10/26/21 9:28:13 AM
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sabrestorm posted...
if a mandate is ever put into effect you will see how

So you're just making shit up gotcha.

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masterpug53
10/26/21 9:31:17 AM
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"Okay, look, I know that all the government-imposed mandates that people are citing worked out fine and would destroy my argument if I were even half the rational, intelligent person I think I am, but the Covid mandate is totally a different case because I really, really want to believe it is!"

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Tyranthraxus
10/26/21 9:47:17 AM
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Demon1050 posted...
hell no. It sets a dangerous precedent.

If they can mandate this one they'll start mandating whatever they want. This will lead to "medicines" we don't need, they'll rush the testing and people will be killed/harmed.

No good can come out of it. If you disagree, well, you're being short-sighted and underestimating the greed factor of our species.

It's been over 100 years since the first time the government forced everyone to get a vaccine and this hasn't happened yet.

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Lairen
10/26/21 9:48:17 AM
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I support womandates too.

#respect women

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Tappor
10/26/21 9:49:48 AM
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I support you not making this same exact topic like five times when everyone knows your stance on the vaccine and why you're asking.

But you won't get modded for this anyway, so...

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dave_is_slick
10/26/21 9:58:46 AM
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Demon1050 posted...
hell no. It sets a dangerous precedent.
The "dangerous precedent" has been set since the 30s dude.

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devilminion
10/26/21 9:59:30 AM
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Only for those in the medical field, or those working closely with people with lowered immune systems. Everyone else should be given the choice.

That said, for those that haven't gotten it and don't have some legit medical excuse not to, get the fucking shot, you entitled holdouts!

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Giant_Aspirin
10/26/21 10:04:22 AM
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sabrestorm posted...
In a non communist country you cant force people to put something into their body even for the greater good

but surely you must support the capitalist's right to dictate the terms of employment at his/her business? or do you think the government should step in and regulate what they're allowed to require?

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Giant_Aspirin
10/26/21 10:06:36 AM
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Demon1050 posted...
hell no. It sets a dangerous precedent.

If they can mandate this one they'll start mandating whatever they want. This will lead to "medicines" we don't need, they'll rush the testing and people will be killed/harmed.

No good can come out of it. If you disagree, well, you're being short-sighted and underestimating the greed factor of our species.

you're making wild assumptions while sliding down a slippery slope of logical fallacy. you have no evidence or proof that "they will" start doing anything else, you're merely speculating based on fear. as another user already said, we've had vaccine mandates for decades and decades yet we haven't seen anything close to what your fear mongering over ITP ... i wonder why?

if this speculative "medicine" is to address a virus causing a global pandemic then we can talk. otherwise, you're literally just talking out of your ass.

proudclad (pure_temper) does the exact same thing, its no wonder he quoted this post with an endorsement.

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Ruvan22
10/26/21 10:10:12 AM
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Antifar posted...
This is not true for everyone: people who are immunocompromised, for example. But you know that already. We'll have this same discussion a week from now.
I think we HAD this discussion with toyota earlier this week
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Reverend_Wilson
10/26/21 10:10:17 AM
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Your body your choice, but I mind the mandate either. Some people just don't feel safe around unvaccinated people.

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Giant_Aspirin
10/26/21 10:11:38 AM
#43:


Reverend_Wilson posted...
Your body your choice

do you feel the same way about drunk driving and defend that with the same rationale? or how about kids with lice going to school?

"your body, your choice" kinda falls apart when your choices potentially have a negative impact others

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masterpug53
10/26/21 10:13:34 AM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
do you feel the same way about drunk driving and defend that with the same rationale? or how about kids with lice going to school?

Hey man, America's a free country. If someone wants to run a stop sign because they don't believe in them, who am I to question their body autonomy?

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Giant_Aspirin
10/26/21 10:14:50 AM
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masterpug53 posted...
Hey man, America's a free country. If someone wants to run a stop sign because they don't believe in them, who am I to question their body autonomy?

FREEDOM fuck yeah

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Antifar
10/26/21 10:17:17 AM
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You're allowed to support or oppose a mandate on its own merits, rather than contorting your beliefs around hypothetical issues with imagined future mandates. Nobody's going to cancel you for supporting a good mandate and later opposing a bad one. It's fine.


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pure_temper
10/26/21 10:44:00 AM
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Antifar posted...
You're allowed to support or oppose a mandate on its own merits, rather than contorting your beliefs around hypothetical issues with imagined future mandates. Nobody's going to cancel you for supporting a good mandate and later opposing a bad one. It's fine.

And you want to wait until the system has been built and there are bad mandates later to oppose this system some want to build, rather than ahead of time when it's prudent and expedient and still possible to do so? You want to wait for when the billionaires and the owners of the giant corporations can take bread away if you don't comply with their increasingly invasive protocols?

That is foolishness.

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pure_temper
10/26/21 10:47:43 AM
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It is a lie to say that we have had mandates for decades, or at best a partial truth. IDK and IDC what Canada or w/e does, but in the United States outside of some very specific settings, corporations and public venues have not had the practice of enforcing vaccine mandates. This is entirely new territory. And we see this particularly from Victoria in Australia where the leader there is floating the idea of a "vaccinated economy" through 2023 where significant restrictions are levied on this basis.

This is all new and unprecedented, and anyone saying otherwise is lying or woefully misinformed. We've expected vaccination records for hospital settings before and for good reason. But what is happening right now is unprecedented and it is a lie to say that "we've done this before." Because as far as the United States goes, we have not ever mandated something this way where we empower the State to data-mine your location and habits via their "covid passport" apps if you want to buy a book or eat a sandwich at a restaurant. Get out of here with that bullshit.

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bigblu89
10/26/21 10:49:26 AM
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Demon1050 posted...
hell no. It sets a dangerous precedent.

If they can mandate this one they'll start mandating whatever they want. This will lead to "medicines" we don't need, they'll rush the testing and people will be killed/harmed.

No good can come out of it. If you disagree, well, you're being short-sighted and underestimating the greed factor of our species.
Ummm.

They already do this.

Look at the vaccination list you need to go to enroll in a public school or travel overseas.

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