Current Events > Gun misfires and kills woman on set of new Alec Baldwin movie

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AceMos posted...

how about this dont ever use real guns on a movie set and yes prop guns are real guns

use realistic looking toy guns

Yeah, and no pyrotechnics either, and no stunt fall stuff, and no high-wire stuff, and no car chase stuff, and no fight stuff. If we're targeting deadly things in Hollywood, we need to target those first because they are WAY worse.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

Yeah, and no pyrotechnics either, and no stunt fall stuff, and no high-wire stuff, and no car chase stuff, and no fight stuff. If we're targeting deadly things in Hollywood, we need to target those first because they are WAY worse.

alot of those are done with green screen these days


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I shouldnt have laughed at that.

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https://www.justjared.com/2021/10/22/new-details-surface-about-the-prop-gun-alec-baldwin-fired-on-set-of-rust/?=morehere

There are new details coming out about the prop gun that Alec Baldwin shot, fatally killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injuring director Joel Souza on the set of Rust.

The horrifying accident happened on Thursday night (October 21), and information is still coming out about what happened.

According to IndieWire on Friday (October 22), the prop gun contained a live single round, via an email sent by union IATSE Local 44 to its members.

The union also said that New Mexico crew members staffed the props, set decoration, special effects and construction departments, not the unions members.

A live single round was accidentally fired on set by the principal actor, hitting both the Director of Photography, Local 600 member Halyna Hutchins, and Director Joel Souza, the email reads.

Local 44 has confirmed that the Props, Set Decoration, Special Effects and Construction Departments were staffed by New Mexico crew members. There were no Local 44 members on the call sheet.

Secretary-Treasurer Anthony Pawluc described it as an accidental weapons discharge.

AceMos posted...

alot of those are done with green screen these days

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_film_and_television_accidents#2010s

Hardly a comprehensive list, but we do know a few things. There's been 43 accidental deaths on film sets since 1990. 2 of them were from guns. Guns are dangerous, but statistically they are far less dangerous than most other types of stunt work.

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Alteres posted...

I shouldnt have laughed at that.

Contemplated whether or not I should repost that since she wasnt a stuntwoman but honestly in character that just makes it funnier
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PC_Genjin posted...

Contemplated whether or not I should repost that since she wasnt a stuntwoman but honestly in character that just makes it funnier

"Funnier"

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

"Funnier"

yeah
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ZannoL posted...

There are new details coming out about the prop gun that Alec Baldwin shot, fatally killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins and injuring director Joel Souza on the set of Rust.

The horrifying accident happened on Thursday night (October 21), and information is still coming out about what happened.

According to IndieWire on Friday (October 22), the prop gun contained a live single round, via an email sent by union IATSE Local 44 to its members.

The union also said that New Mexico crew members staffed the props, set decoration, special effects and construction departments, not the unions members.

A live single round was accidentally fired on set by the principal actor, hitting both the Director of Photography, Local 600 member Halyna Hutchins, and Director Joel Souza, the email reads.

Local 44 has confirmed that the Props, Set Decoration, Special Effects and Construction Departments were staffed by New Mexico crew members. There were no Local 44 members on the call sheet.

Secretary-Treasurer Anthony Pawluc described it as an accidental weapons discharge.

This is an odd one honestly

Movies/TV that have any sort of real firearms have to have something called a weapons master that has multiple special licenses for them. They are supposed to completely check and clear the gun, along with properly load it between every single use. Either that guy fucked up or they picked the gun without properly consulting such person, which should be impossible(they're supposed to lock up any gun not cleared and handed to them by the weapon master)

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Can't they just cgi gun blasts?
Its 2021!

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I thought only guns with blanks were used in movies?

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DoubleDare posted...

Can't they just cgi gun blasts?
Its 2021!

this

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itachi15243 posted...

This is an odd one honestly

Movies/TV that have any sort of real firearms have to have something called a weapons master that has multiple special licenses for them. They are supposed to completely check and clear the gun, along with properly load it between every single use. Either that guy fucked up or they picked the gun without properly consulting such person, which should be impossible(they're supposed to lock up any gun not cleared and handed to them by the weapon master)

sounds dubious

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Fox News is already after him.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-facing-backlash-tweet-questioning-wrongfully-kill-someone.amp

burns112233 posted...

Fox News is already after him.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-facing-backlash-tweet-questioning-wrongfully-kill-someone.amp

Ugh

Alec Baldwin's statement:

https://twitter.com/AlecBaldwin/status/1451572461787439106

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My thing is, if he pointed the gun at the crew as a "prank" and pulled the trigger, he needs to be charged with manslaughter. Either way he is a name and wealthy and the only ones that would push for that are people salty about his political affiliation.

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Helpful context from someone who works on sets (it's a thread)
https://twitter.com/t_NYC/status/1451341417092108292

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Okay, here me outwhat if the prop master loaded it incorrectly on purpose cause there was an ulterior motive?


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While I don't expect an actor to have weapon master levels of training, at the very least going forward actors that have to handle guns for a scene should check the barrel with a flashlight. AR-15's are incredibly easy to check, and most pistols aren't much harder. In fact there's purpose built flashlights for this very job that also act as a chamber flag, allowing you to stare right down the barrel safely.


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The plot of the movie Rust:

A 13 year-old boy, left to fend for himself and his younger brother following the death of their parents in 1880's Kansas, goes on the run with his long estranged grandfather after he's sentenced to hang for the accidental killing of a local rancher.

whoa

sabrestorm posted...

sounds dubious

How so? Typically these things are always the fault of some sort of staff member mishandling the gun, putting out the wrong gun, or otherwise not keeping weapons in check. It's on the weapons master to be completely in check, on top, and in charge of all weapons on set at all times.

However, some movies do cut corners when it comes to a proper weapons master, or direction and pressure is put on actors to use the weapon in a non approved way to get a better scene.

burns112233 posted...

Fox News is already after him.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-facing-backlash-tweet-questioning-wrongfully-kill-someone.amp

Damn, they're acting like he fucking planned this for years. What is wrong with them? Of course he feels fucking miserable.

Scorsese2002 posted...

Okay, here me outwhat if the prop master loaded it incorrectly on purpose cause there was an ulterior motive?

That would be like throwing away his career and life.

Malcrasternus posted...

While I don't expect an actor to have weapon master levels of training, at the very least going forward actors that have to handle guns for a scene should check the barrel with a flashlight. AR-15's are incredibly easy to check, and most pistols aren't much harder. In fact there's purpose built flashlights for this very job that also act as a chamber flag, allowing you to stare right down the barrel safely.

The whole point of a weapons master is to prevent this. It'd be way easier to just raise the bar on how diligent weapons master have to be, rather than have an actor completely responsible for a weapon in what sounds like a dangerous and not very smart idea.

There's a way higher chance of them fucking up the gun(and causing an accident) or hurting themselves then stopping this type of situation.

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At the end of the day...it was Alec Baldwin who pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger. He should be held responsible for that.

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Workers were already concerned about the gun safety on set
https://twitter.com/venice4change/status/1451609168855453696?s=20

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https://variety.com/2021/film/news/alec-baldwin-statement-halyna-hutchins-death-1235095209
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Scorsese2002 posted...

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/alec-baldwin-statement-halyna-hutchins-death-1235095209

I wonder how he said it.

If it were me, I'd be a inconsolable wreck for quite a while.

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Antifar posted...

Workers were already concerned about the gun safety on set

Somebody's about to get the fuck sued out of them

Kajagogo posted...

I wonder how he said it.

If it were me, I'd be a inconsolable wreck for quite a while.

Probably had a publicist do it for him.

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So Hollywood managed to get a last minute deal with the behind the scene worker unions to avoid a strike and then almost immediately after we have this fatality of a crew member after poor working conditions on set.

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Antifar posted...

Workers were already concerned about the gun safety on set
https://twitter.com/venice4change/status/1451609168855453696?s=20

Damn, that shit is fucked up.

Movie should be canceled and someone or some people should be held responsible then.

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Antifar posted...

Helpful context from someone who works on sets (it's a thread)
https://twitter.com/t_NYC/status/1451341417092108292

"Could easily kill within 5 feet" is definitely wrong, unless they're firing .50 cal/12 Gauge blanks or bigger (This is a Western set for the film, they're probably not). The square-cubed law demonstrates that the "power" of an over-pressure wave RAPIDLY diminishes over distance. A blank, even on 1/2 load, is still burning through a relatively tiny amount of propellant. Here's a video showing the effects of the blast on a pineapple. For a pistol, even about 6 inches from the target is anemic. You'll probably get some bruising from an AR-15. The 12 Gauge can definitely wound however, so maybe.

https://youtu.be/elpAaZs_U9k?t=420

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your canceled alex

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Scorsese2002 posted...

Okay, here me outwhat if the prop master loaded it incorrectly on purpose cause there was an ulterior motive?

Well it certainly seems as if this was just an extreme case of mismanagement and negligence, and hopefully thats all the final ruling ends up being.

But are you saying, and stop me if Im wrong that some crazy person might have intentionally switched something up just to really screw over Alec Baldwin? Considering his liberalism and playing as Trump on SNL, well Ill just hope again this was a horrible accident and that we live in a non-politically charged country where no one would possibly think to do something so awful.

But if that were the case, I guess Ill have shocked Pikachu and Zelda at the ready.

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CNN interviewed a movie weapons expert about an hour ago. He said there is never supposed to be live ammunition on a movie set. Ever. No exceptions. So yea....someone brought a real bullet for some reason..... very weird

I don't get it. Hollywood spends hundreds of millions on CGI, but they can't digitally insert gunfire? It's nothing but pure negligence that real guns are continued to be used on set.

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it was a QAnon assassin that tampered with the prop gun, believing it would be used on Baldwin himself.

not today, Q.

not today.
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I keep reading articles that identify the gun as a "prop gun", but if it was truly a prop gun, it wouldn't be capable of firing actual bullets.

G-Ziss posted...

I keep reading articles that identify the gun as a "prop gun", but if it was truly a prop gun, it wouldn't be capable of firing actual bullets.

That's not true.

Again, I have already posted a video to give people the basics on prop guns. If you're not willing to educate yourself before making statements like this, then just stay the fuck out of the conversation.

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Really blows my mind that studios will put together these elaborate CGI settings and CGI creatures and CGI people and CGI fucking everything but still use real guns loaded with *anything* as props. They could just as easily get a person to hold a 100% unloaded weapon then just add in the gunshots and shit afterwards.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

That's not true.

Again, I have already posted a video to give people the basics on prop guns. If you're not willing to educate yourself before making statements like this, then just stay the fuck out of the conversation.

"but you can't expect me to read through a topic just so I am all caught up. I just wanna participate with the bare minimal effort and have people respect it"

that's often the attitude when you call people out for that lol.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

That's not true.

Again, I have already posted a video to give people the basics on prop guns. If you're not willing to educate yourself before making statements like this, then just stay the fuck out of the conversation.

A true prop gun would have no reason to ever fire real bullets, so maybe you should use a little common sense before telling people to fuck off.

G-Ziss posted...

A true prop gun would have no reason to ever fire real bullets, so maybe you should use a little common sense before telling people to fuck off.

You're mad at me for doing the research and knowing the actual truth before making claims? "Common sense" should tell you to do the research first or even read through a discussion before posting into it mid-stream. Because I, again, posted a video explaining some of the basics of prop guns and how they're made and also explained this.

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OVERGOATED posted...

Im not sure that counts because non-conservative media, comedians and others absolutely bashed Cheney for being a reckless shooter, which he was.

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And remember when the guy shot by Cheney apologized to Cheney for catching the projectiles with his face?

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Im not sure that counts because non-conservative media, comedians and others absolutely bashed Cheney for being a reckless shooter, which he was.

The dude he shot actually apologized to him...

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