Board 8 > Are the lions the most pathetic sports franchise, since the beginning of the

(+) Yeah! (+)

is there another that's worse in these 60 yrs or so

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Jags.

Not even close.

They also have the most evil owner in sports history.

The Lions have won one playoff game in the Super Bowl era

So yes

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The Bucs have won the Lions division more recently than the Lions, and the Bucs havent been in that division for two decades.

So yes.

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First thought was Buffalo Bills

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Johnbobb posted...

First thought was Buffalo Bills

Losing four straight Super Bowls still means you went to four straight Super Bowls

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Missceribaby posted...

Jags.

Not even close.

They also have the most evil owner in sports history.

By most evil do you mean most middle eastern

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wallmasterz posted...

By most evil do you mean most middle eastern

It means he hates AEW

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How is Shahid Khan even remotely more evil than Daniel Snyder

How is anyone more evil than Daniel Snyder

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VeryInsane posted...

How is Shahid Khan even remotely more evil than Daniel Snyder

How is anyone more evil than Daniel Snyder

Daniel isnt within 4 full tiers of evil compared to Tiny..

Interestingly enough, the team that would be the greatest competition to the Lions isn't the Browns or the Jaguars but the franchise that everyone always forgets - the Cardinals. Ultimately, I think the Lions probably beat the Cards because at least the Cards have been to a Super Bowl (and an all-time classic, at that), but the Cardinals have probably the worst level of sustained failure across the entire NFL, even worse than the Lions. It's easy to forget, though, because the Cardinals have had a few competent seasons recently.

Yeah, the Cardinals would probably be 2nd place even counting that Super Bowl since they didn't win it. They've been an irrelevant franchise for most of their existence.

The Bucs would be in this conversation too if it wasn't for those two Super Bowl seasons.

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Jags have as many playoff wins as the Lions despite a 65 year difference in their existence. Same with the Cardinals but a 75 year difference.

Jags, Lions, and Cardinals all have 7 playoff wins.

Jags began in 1995 (7-7)
Lions began in 1930 (7-13)
Cardinals began in 1920 (7-9)
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Yeah, it's really hard to be in the same discussion as the Lions. They don't make the playoffs very often, they don't win their division very often, and they don't win playoff games basically ever. The Cardinals are the only team that are even close - and in fact, they were actually WORSE than the Lions before 2008 - but 2008-2009 and 2014-2015 safely lift them above the Lions. (They're still #31 though in my opinion, unless you think the Super Bowl is disqualifying - even the Browns (#30) have had more sustained success than the Cardinals throughout their history)

The other team that I'd mention, by the way, is the New Orleans Saints, who were also wildly irrelevant for basically their entire history - but then the Drew Brees era happened and that was a bona fide dynasty

Yeah, the sustained success of the Brees era disqualifies them, but the Saints have never won a playoff game without him on the roster.

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Reminder: The last time the Bengals won a playoff game, Derek Carr wasn't born yet. Tom Brady was 13. And Brett Favre had yet to play a down for the Green Bay Packers. (And was still a Falcon)

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The Falcons are another good answer although they've had several decent teams over the last couple decades and have made a couple Super Bowls

Of course, they lost both in embarrassing fashion, so maybe that adds to it.

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The 80s and Marvin Lewis era make the Bengals a non-starter for me.
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Missceribaby posted...

Jags.

Not even close.

They also have the most evil owner in sports history.

Jags fan here. You're WAY off.

Jags won more playoff games in '96 alone than the Lions have since the Ford family purchased the team in 1963.

Also did you forget the Jags were robbed of a Super Bowl appearance just a few years ago? The 2017 Jags/Pats AFC Championship Game was rigged the same way Saints/Rams 2018 NFC Champ Game was. The only thing keeping the Patriots alive was an absurd 10-to-1 penalty ratio that favored Thomas Brady (the most marketable player in the league) and vaulted him into the $uper Bowl.

And don't forget this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgpUkBtzqVc

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Friendly reminder that you're speaking to MWC and he hates AEW

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The Jaguars are in the conversation, since it's been a while since they've had sustained success and one good year (2017, maybe 2007) since the turn of the millennium isn't a lot, but since they haven't been around that long and they had a great start to their history in the 90's, I don't think they're even in the bottom 5. (My bottom 5 most pathetic franchises would be the Lions, Cardinals, Browns, Bengals, Falcons)

nah it's about to be the Patriots

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oh ya go my Lionz

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plasmabeam posted...

Also did you forget the Jags were robbed of a Super Bowl appearance just a few years ago? The 2017 Jags/Pats AFC Championship Game was rigged the same way Saints/Rams 2018 NFC Champ Game was. The only thing keeping the Patriots alive was an absurd 10-to-1 penalty ratio that favored Thomas Brady (the most marketable player in the league) and vaulted him into the $uper Bowl.

And don't forget this:

lol

and give it a rest on the Myles Jack play. In real time it looked like he was down considering he just tackled a man and got up with the football. Blame your offense for not capitalizing on the turnover

anyway yes the Lions are definitely the most pathetic, followed by the Cardinals

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"The refs completely botched the play but come on you can't blame them"

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NFL maybe but you said sports so no

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Leonhart4 posted...

"The refs completely botched the play but come on you can't blame them"

I mean it was extremely close to being down by contact. I wouldn't call that "completely botched". Without replay and slow motion it's basically impossible to tell

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MZero posted...

I mean it was extremely close to being down by contact. I wouldn't call that "completely botched". Without replay and slow motion it's basically impossible to tell

In such instances where its not perfectly clear, refs arent supposed to blow the play dead, theyre supposed to let the action play out. Regardless of how tough a call you think it was they made the wrong call. Pretty lame of you to mock people for being annoyed their team got jobbed. Youd probably be crying twice as hard if it happened to your team.

But anyway yes its a shame that team didnt have better QB play

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The numbers came out by the way for the most evil owner ever, after running his dog tickler for a week, and youll not be surprised to know..

UNMTIGATED DISASTER.

As always.

That is now 8 straight weeks of plummets with ZERO competition ever.

BETTER THAN EXPECTED!!!

wallmasterz posted...

In such instances where its not perfectly clear, refs arent supposed to blow the play dead, theyre supposed to let the action play out. Regardless of how tough a call you think it was they made the wrong call. Pretty lame of you to mock people for being annoyed their team got jobbed. Youd probably be crying twice as hard if it happened to your team.

But anyway yes its a shame that team didnt have better QB play

It was definitely the wrong call but I don't think it was egregious. Even if it was, it happened with almost a full quarter left and a two possession lead, and they got the turnover. The Jags had countless opportunities to win that game and blew it, they have no one else to blame. And no, I wouldn't cry about the officiating unless it was more blatant and later in the game, like the Saints DPI no-call (and even then they got the ball in overtime and threw a pick)

Also, I probably wouldn't have responded at all if he didn't go for the "it was rigged!" angle. The Patriots haters are much worse and I do have some sympathy for Jags fans. He seems like he might be both though!

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It's definitiely the Lions. They're even more pathetic than my Brewers.

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As a lifelong Lions fan

Yes

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I get that Pats fans have to defend their good buddies the refs (especially after they tried to come through for them against Dallas this week) but to say you can't blame the refs for blowing a call that would've completely changed the flow of the game is silly regardless of whether the Jags still could've won it or not

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Leonhart4 posted...

I get that Pats fans have to defend their good buddies the refs (especially after they tried to come through for them against Dallas this week) but to say you can't blame the refs for blowing a call that would've completely changed the flow of the game is silly regardless of whether the Jags still could've won it or not

Funny story the refs literally blew a play dead for no reason at all that took away a Patriots TD in 2015 (it was the regular season and they still won, so who cares) But anyway what I mean by not blaming the refs is that 1. it was an extremely close call and no one is pefect and 2. even if you disagree with 1, you can't blame the refs for the loss because that wasn't the reason they lost.

P.S. I'm not actually a Patriots fan, I just used to root for all the Boston teams because everyone hated them and I thought it was funny. I do like Brady though. I'm actually a Cardinals fan and while I did blame the Super Bowl loss on missed holding calls on Harrison's INT return for awhile, I have since learned the errors of my ways!

anyway sorry for derailing the topic and being a jerk please continue bashing the Lions and Cardinals

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Leonhart4 posted...

Friendly reminder that you're speaking to MWC and he hates AEW

I did not know AEW was on his hate list.

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WiggumFan267 posted...

NFL maybe but you said sports so no

This. I feel like the worst basketball, baseball, and definitely some international football (soccer) franchises are on the same level or worse.

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Maniac64 posted...

I did not know AEW was on his hate list.

I can't really explain any other reason for him hating Khan so much unless he has secretly become a soccer fan

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Paratroopa1 posted...

Yeah, it's really hard to be in the same discussion as the Lions. They don't make the playoffs very often, they don't win their division very often, and they don't win playoff games basically ever. The Cardinals are the only team that are even close - and in fact, they were actually WORSE than the Lions before 2008 - but 2008-2009 and 2014-2015 safely lift them above the Lions. (They're still #31 though in my opinion, unless you think the Super Bowl is disqualifying - even the Browns (#30) have had more sustained success than the Cardinals throughout their history)

The Lions have had the terrible luck of their division harboring Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers for most of the last like, 30 years. Their best ever player retired early. And beyond that, their ownership has been abysmal.

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And their second best player ever retired early! That's what playing for the Lions does to you.

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Leonhart4 posted...

I can't really explain any other reason for him hating Khan so much unless he has secretly become a soccer fan

It's MWC

everything is either 'best thing ever created' or 'nuke it it's awful'

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I mean yes but there's no reason to hate the Jaguars of all teams as much as he seems to

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MWC and irrational hatred go together like peanut butter and jelly

It's always fun to read other people's fun facts about dismal teams and know it doesn't hold a candle to the ineptitude of the Detroit Football Lions. Last playoff win was, what, January of '92? Haven't hosted a playoff game since around 93 or so. Didn't win a game at Green Bay from 92 until 2015. Even when we flirt with being a good team, the NFL is quick to put us back in our place (2014 Lions @ Cowboys Wild Card game. Phantom face mask on Rodgers in 2015 leading to the "Miracle in Motown" pass that gave GB the division. Jim Schwartz challenging a clear fumble, only for no challenge to occur because if you challenge an automatically challenged play, no challenge will happen. Golden Tate catching a game-winning TD at the goal line against Atlanta with :06 to go, somehow being called short and down by contact, and then losing the remaining time on the clock due to a 10-second runoff.)

The Lions are not only the worst franchise, they're often gaslit about it when people in the media act like the Cleveland Browns are the historic losers of the NFL. The Lions are just a punching bag for the NFL never to be taken seriously.

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PrinceReva posted...

It's always fun to read other people's fun facts about dismal teams and know it doesn't hold a candle to the ineptitude of the Detroit Football Lions. Last playoff win was, what, January of '92? Haven't hosted a playoff game since around 93 or so. Didn't win a game at Green Bay from 92 until 2015. Even when we flirt with being a good team, the NFL is quick to put us back in our place (2014 Lions @ Cowboys Wild Card game. Phantom face mask on Rodgers in 2015 leading to the "Miracle in Motown" pass that gave GB the division. Jim Schwartz challenging a clear fumble, only for no challenge to occur because if you challenge an automatically challenged play, no challenge will happen. Golden Tate catching a game-winning TD at the goal line against Atlanta with :06 to go, somehow being called short and down by contact, and then losing the remaining time on the clock due to a 10-second runoff.)

The Lions are not only the worst franchise, they're often gaslit about it when people in the media act like the Cleveland Browns are the historic losers of the NFL. The Lions are just a punching bag for the NFL never to be taken seriously.

damn this made me feel actually bad.

Like I said though, they've had inept ownership along with some HORRENDOUS luck.

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PrinceReva posted...

The Lions are not only the worst franchise, they're often gaslit about it when people in the media act like the Cleveland Browns are the historic losers of the NFL. The Lions are just a punching bag for the NFL never to be taken seriously.

This is the actual worst part about it. There's never been anything to ever respect about us and everyone takes advantage of it.

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The Lions have had some legitimate all time talent at RB, WR and QB and yet somehow did nothing with any of it.

Hmm, maybe the Seattle Mariners? They also had legitimate all time talent for years and years and did nothing with it.

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The Mariners have not made the playoffs since the season they won the most games in baseball history

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PrinceReva posted...

Last playoff win was, what, January of '92?

Good lord, they haven't won a playoff game since before I was born. Also looking up their playoff record I noticed they lost a playoff game to the Cowboys 5-0. That must have been a legendary game

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