Current Events > Why do people act like if you dont want the covid vax that youre an anti-vaxxer?

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straight away labelling them as anti-vaxxers as though they are those types who is opposed all vaccines?

Because there's no reason to be against one vaccine but not others

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Do you have a genuine medical condition that prevents it. If the answer is no and you don't have the vaccine by now you are anti-vaxx

You don't understand how people who are against a vaccination for a stupid reason are like other people who are against a vaccine for a stupid reason?

No reason not to get the Covid vax unless
youre medically exempt.

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Explain why youre against it but not others

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I haven't been vaccinated for anything in 40 years.


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Because that's what they are.
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Axiom posted...

Do you have a genuine medical condition that prevents it. If the answer is no and you don't have the vaccine by now you are anti-vaxx

spikethedevil posted...

medically exempt.

So if i have a medical exemption or doctors note saying i have one, it suddenly makes me invisible and safe from covid or suddenly stops me from getting it when around vaccinated people? or makes me suddenly no longer a risk to myself or others or whatever is the reason to keep unvaccinated people separated?

tbh if you have that bad of a medical exemption that stops you from getting a vaccine, maybe you really should be the ones kept away from society as you are more likely the types who would be ending up in hospital if you were to catch it. (unless a doctors note in your pocket really does suddenly make you immune to covid)

DezDroppedFreak posted...

Explain why youre against it but not others

i just dont want it. i got the flu shot though lol

im not a covid denier either btw. i remembered last year everyone ridiculed me for promoting mask use, stating there is no reason not to be using one as some protection was better than nothing and calling out the WHOs bs and gaslighting.

toyota posted...

i just dont want it.

not an explanation.

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Why dont you want it? Youre being a selfish (insert bannable words here) by not getting it.

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This level of disingenuous "arguing" is frankly insulting to human intelligence.
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Literally a mod just made a topic but is leaving the anti vax troll topics alone lol.

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Guide posted...

not an explanation.

thats literally my reason though. i encouraged most people in my life to get it if they feel its right for them. i would never discourage anyone from it. like i said, im not an antivaxxer, im trying to convince some genuine antivaxxers to change their mind about it or at least change their mentality.

Trolling

Deliberately provoking users to react negatively

Why did they even bother to bring that option back?

Aren't you the anti mask guy?

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DarthAragorn posted...

Because there's no reason to be against one vaccine but not others

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Then help change them by getting it yourself instead of trolling here.

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unbelievable you're so interesting id love to hear more about you and your thoughts on things

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Turbam posted...

Aren't you the anti mask guy?

No, i was one of the first ones promoting mask use and everyone ridiculed me because "experts/WHO" advised against it.

toyota posted...

thats literally my reason though. i encouraged most people in my life to get it if they feel its right for them. i would never discourage anyone from it. like i said, im not an antivaxxer, im trying to convince some genuine antivaxxers to change their mind about it or at least change their mentality.

Not liking something is the state. The cause for that state is?

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spikethedevil posted...

Literally a mod just made a topic but is leaving the anti vax troll topics alone lol.

I dont get how its trolling. If anything its mroe trolling to immediately label people as anti-vaxxers. its dismissive. im not against the vaccine, i just dont want it

Turbam posted...

Aren't you the anti mask guy?

No he's the one who denies numbers related to the holocaust and has questionable takes about COVID-19 (a la this topic).

pistachio12 posted...

No he's the one who denies numbers related to the holocaust and has questionable takes about COVID-19 (a la this topic).

Wait what?

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spikethedevil posted...

Wait what?

TC is that SSJ guy who would constantly get suspended for posting anti-semitic and racist shit

2 reasons:

1. It's a lazy way to win an argument. I don't think any intellectually honest person thinks all vaccines are identical. The safety profile of the COVID vaccine seems roughly comparable, but their newness, history, and mechanisms are different. Lots of people don't like getting into the details so they conflate it into something we have all already agreed is bad (being against traditional historical vaccines like smallpox/polio/etc)
2. It is a bit more convenient. There isn't really a short hand way to say "anti-covid-vaccine" or "covid vaccine skeptical" maybe if a shorthand way would catch on more people would make the distinction. I usually make the distinction, but I'll admit even I engage in the shorthand if the context of the discussion makes it clear we are talking about those who are skeptical of the Covid Vaccines.

But yes, anybody saying "The new vaccines are 100% identical in literally every way to the half dozen vaccines like the polio vaccines, and thus you should take them because they are 100% safe and 100% effective." is lying to you, and you correctly detected that.

That said, I do think the truth is that the vaccines, while new, have been given to 2.8 billion people worldwide with a very low rate of negative side effects (particularly when proper administration is ensured), Meanwhile 4.5 million people have died worldwide from COVID and many more have suffered and/or will be forever damaged by having had it. The cost benefit analysis clearly favors the vaccine and that's why I would advise you get it.

I have empathy for your doubts, and you are right to call out the bad faith people on their inaccurate conflations. Even so, I would be willing to talk with you about your concerns because think once you cut out all the gaslighting and noise from the bad faith actors the best decision is to get vaccinated, and I'd be willing to help provide you with the raw data you would need to make that decision for yourself if you are interested.

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ButteryMales posted...

Trolling

Deliberately provoking users to react negatively

Why did they even bother to bring that option back?

My only guess (since they were still able to moderate for it, it just wasn't a selection when marking) was to deprioritize it when people were previously marking it as something that gets a higher priority. Of course this rests on the assumption that the mark reason affects the priority at all.

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So you won't get the vaccine but okay with flu shot. You want all those who can't take the vaccine for medical reasons to stay away from society but doesn't seem you'll want to do the same when you won't take the vaccine.

I dunno bout labeling you Anti-vax but it sounds pretty selfish of a take to me.

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I'd argue that someone against the COVID vaccine is anti-modern medicine. The arguments that are made invalidate basically everything. It's hypocritical to go half measure on a train of logic.

Own your beliefs all the way.

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joe40001 posted...

2 reasons:
1. It's a lazy way to win an argument. I don't think any intellectually honest person thinks all vaccines are identical. The safety profile of the COVID vaccine seems roughly comparable, but their newness, history, and mechanisms are different. Lots of people don't like getting into the details so they conflate it into something we have all already agreed is bad (being against traditional historical vaccines like smallpox/polio/etc)
2. It is a bit more convenient. There isn't really a short hand way to say "anti-covid-vaccine" or "covid vaccine skeptical" maybe if a shorthand way would catch on more people would make the distinction. I usually make the distinction, but I'll admit even I engage in the shorthand if the context of the discussion makes it clear we are talking about those who are skeptical of the Covid Vaccines.

But yes, anybody saying "The new vaccines are 100% identical in literally every way to the half dozen vaccines like the polio vaccines, and thus you should take them because they are 100% safe and 100% effective." is lying to you, and you correctly detected that.

That said, I do think the truth is that the vaccines, while new, have been given to 2.8 billion people worldwide with a very low rate of negative side effects (particularly when proper administration is ensured), Meanwhile 4.5 million people have died worldwide from COVID and many more have suffered and/or will be forever damaged by having had it. The cost benefit analysis clearly favors the vaccine and that's why I would advise you get it.

I have empathy for your doubts, and you are right to call out the bad faith people on their inaccurate conflations. Even so, I would be willing to talk with you about your concerns because think once you cut out all the gaslighting and noise from the bad faith actors the best decision is to get vaccinated, and I'd be willing to help provide you with the raw data you would need to make that decision for yourself if you are interested.

If something is the right thing to do, then we should not entertain stupid illogical concerns. All that matters is being correct. Better to be hated and right than well-liked and wrong.

You'd think Mr. Truth and Science would have little use for being super polite to illogical people because feelings matter or some shit.

You're still under the impression that everyone would agree and always do the best thing, but that they're selfish and stupid because someone hasn't sat down and discussed raw data with them. That implies everyone cares about science and logic and doesn't operate on feelings and faith. If they were so reasonable and science-minded, they'd already figure it out on their own.

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hockeybub89 posted...

If something is the right thing to do, then we should not entertain stupid illogical concerns. All that matters is being correct. Better to be hated and right than well-liked and wrong.

You'd think Mr. Truth and Science would have little use for being super polite to illogical people because feelings matter or some shit.

This argument IMO is odd, t's hard to for me to parse.

I think you are saying that it's better to "be right" and convince nobody to get vaccinated, than show some empathy and effectively convince some. Because somehow empathy is "wrong"?

Am I understanding that correctly?

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ITT: why is [definition of a thing] considered being [thing]?

yall are too easy

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toyota posted...

So if i have a medical exemption or doctors note saying i have one, it suddenly makes me invisible and safe from covid or suddenly stops me from getting it when around vaccinated people? or makes me suddenly no longer a risk to myself or others or whatever is the reason to keep unvaccinated people separated?

If it's a real doctor, and a legitimate reason. And you are taking the correct precautions while out in public like wearing a mask.

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