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Ving_Rhames
10/10/21 3:39:32 PM
#51:


It isn't actually confusing/complicated, it's just very stupid anime bullshit. I'm convinced the writers saw Bleach/Naruto, then watched Steins;Gate a couple of years later and just mashed all of it together into a soup of stupid.

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littlebro07
10/10/21 3:48:26 PM
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I remember being so damn excited to finally play KH3 when it came out

I only played 1 and 2

I quit playing like 4 hours in because I couldnt under a single fucking thing that was happening. Who the fuck are these characters, why are these other characters I remember so different, etc

also the god awful voice acting

Sora: blah blah blah blah?



Donald: blah blah blah!



Sora: blah blah!

why the fuck does every line of dialogue have an uncomfortable long awkward pause between other lines of dialogue

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pegusus123456
10/10/21 3:49:36 PM
#53:


Ving_Rhames posted...
It isn't actually confusing/complicated
No, it is. I played/watched the entire collection and it's still confusing and complicated.

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Taharqa_
10/10/21 3:50:13 PM
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https://youtu.be/lKeRifa-_Gc

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Rharyx211
10/10/21 4:16:53 PM
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Hambo the Hog posted...
It's a lose-lose situation when you release crucial plot point in forty different games and rereleases across ten different platforms and a drip-feed mobile game over the course of fifteen years. Either you recap everything in a big confusing exposition dump that wastes time in the current game, or you just leave everyone who didn't buy every final mix and keep up with the mobile game and read all the Nomura interviews to drown.
tbh, I wish they had just gone the latter route. If you skipped everything between 2 and 3, you've already kinda resigned yourself to not understanding the story by that point, and everyone who *has* been keeping up doesn't want a recap of stuff they already know every 5 minutes.

Like the dude in post #52. It's entirely on them for not understanding KH3's story if he skipped over a decade's worth of story. They re-released all the games multiple times and shoved it down everyone's throats that KH3 is a sequel to all the handhelds and not KH2. They gave people all the time in the world to catch up (either by playing, or just YouTubing stuff).

Like, the way they tell the story, spread through so many consoles and games (and gachas) is really fucking dumb, but I feel like it's even dumber to water in down for the players who actually stuck through it all.

People should know that they shouldn't skip to the final season of a show and expect to know what's going on. So just have fun with the gameplay itself at that point.

(That all said, the story in KH3 is laughably awful even if you didn't skip 15 years worth of lore.)

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Derwood
10/10/21 4:19:47 PM
#56:


It really is the dumbest game. And the camera/controls are awful
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tremain07
10/10/21 4:22:50 PM
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You guys are like little babies, you think Kingdom Hearts is complicated? Try explaining these 3's relationship to anybody.

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pegusus123456
10/10/21 4:29:00 PM
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tremain07 posted...
You guys are like little babies, you think Kingdom Hearts is complicated? Try explaining these 3's relationship to anybody.
No idea what game that is, but they're clearly a throuple.

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Kloe_Rinz
10/10/21 4:36:03 PM
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tremain07 posted...

You guys are like little babies, you think Kingdom Hearts is complicated? Try explaining these 3's relationship to anybody.
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Valjackal
10/10/21 4:43:08 PM
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I have a pretty good grasp on the series overall, but goddamn looking at those flowcharts gives me anxiety.
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Hambo the Hog
10/10/21 4:55:47 PM
#62:


Rharyx211 posted...
Stuff

It's really harsh though, cuz there really are a ton of different games on like five different systems. And yes there are rerelease collections on ps4 and whatever, but maybe you already played some of the games and then you hafta buy the rerelease of mostly games you've already played. And the final mixes have new cutscenes, so if you bought the original game, you hafta buy it again or miss out. I can't say you're wrong, and all the recaps really are annoying, but god the release pattern of the series is as big a mess as the plot.

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Valjackal
10/10/21 4:59:36 PM
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Hambo the Hog posted...


It's really harsh though, cuz there really are a ton of different games on like five different systems. And yes there are rerelease collections on ps4 and whatever, but maybe you already played some of the games and then you hafta buy the rerelease of mostly games you've already played. And the final mixes have new cutscenes, so if you bought the original game, you hafta buy it again or miss out. I can't say you're wrong, and all the recaps really are annoying, but god the release pattern of the series is as big a mess as the plot.


Hopefully with the closure of that story arc, and the lack of portable systems nowadays, future mainline releases can be contained to the main consoles. Unless they try some mobile nonsense, which unfortunately Square Enix absolutely would do.
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tremain07
10/10/21 5:00:23 PM
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Behold! Blazblue! A series of 5 Fighting Games, 11 Light Novels, 2 Drama CDs, 2 Mobile games, 1 12 episode anime, 2 Visual Novel games and 4 Manga! And yes! You have to know about ALL of those to understand where the plot's going! The Wheel of Fate is turning! This is the tale of the azure and those who covet it.


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Hambo the Hog
10/10/21 5:05:34 PM
#65:


Valjackal posted...
Hopefully with the closure of that story arc, and the lack of portable systems nowadays, future mainline releases can be contained to the main consoles. Unless they try some mobile nonsense, which unfortunately Square Enix absolutely would do.
And has done lol. At least they've ended UX and Dark Road. Watch them come out with a new canon manga with certain non-canon details that's only released in Japan. Or some musical theater with new lore and no video release.

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Valjackal
10/10/21 5:11:32 PM
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Reminds me of when Assassin's Creed put a significant plot point into a comic. I've played every game in the series but found myself wondering what was going on with a particular character. Did some research and found out it was in a comic. Annoying, to say the least.
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KaZooo
10/10/21 5:12:06 PM
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The series was given excess structure and complexity in order to try to build depth in the storyline and general universe/meta.

For a hybrid/collaboration concept they were better off keeping a simple protagonist/antagonist dynamic. IMO, CoM singlehandedly ruined the trajectory of the series. Unfortunately minds were made up well before since the Deep Dive feature existed in KH1 + Remix.

But there have been opportunities to fix all this in KH3. Plots and subplots were seemingly getting wrapped up but they had to throw in the most stale and unintelligible plot points and script. It's like listening to NBA players voice acting in NBA 2K.

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Rharyx211
10/10/21 5:25:59 PM
#68:


Valjackal posted...
Hopefully with the closure of that story arc, and the lack of portable systems nowadays, future mainline releases can be contained to the main consoles. Unless they try some mobile nonsense, which unfortunately Square Enix absolutely would do.
You'd hope so, but since KH3 ended we've already had another phone gacha (that admittedly was cancelled almost immediately) and a Switch game. Both of which are plot-important, as you may imagine, and set up the next story arc.

I mean, the next arc was already just building off the events of the Xehanort arc, so people are going to be lost regardless unless they played the last 20 years worth of stuff. They should've just started fresh with the future storylines.

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masterpug53
10/11/21 10:13:22 AM
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Njolk posted...
I guess that makes sense, just such a strange combo to me. But maybe since I missed its time I'll never understand

The concept was definitely lightning in a bottle as far as the first game was concerned, and a lot of different aspects fueled it. Crossovers of such a scale were not commonplace at the time, and the concept of fanfiction was still relatively new enough that people were excited about it rather than sick of it.

It's hard now to remember a time when the Final Fantasy series was on top of the gaming world, but in the early 2000's, the series was hugely loved; even casual gamers considered FF 7 the GOAT game. And FF X was a recent-enough hit that many gamers were just as excited about the FF character mashup as they were the Disney mashup. I'm not above admitting that I teared up a little the first time a very much alive Aeris walked into frame.

On the Disney side of things, young adults like me grew up on the movies - the Renaissance period of Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, Lion King, etc were particularly formative on our childhoods - and seeing those movies / characters mashed up together was a damn cool concept. It should also be mentioned that this was way before things like Disney+, when Disney was still in the bad habit of creating artificial scarcity with their 'vault' bullshit; by the time KH 1 and 2 came out, I hadn't seen Beauty and the Beast since I was a kid because I literally couldn't purchase a VHS or DVD copy of the movie anywhere. So the source material being generally unavailable for regular viewing made seeing all these characters in a video game all the more alluring.

Kingdom Hearts 1 was basically a cool mashup concept fueled by nostalgia overload, with a serviceable main character and plot to tie everything together. There were hints of the convolution to come when the secret evil OC who'd been barely hinted at in vague cutscenes and text logs usurped Maleficent at the 11th hour to become the big bad of the game, but it was still far from losing sight of the core concept. The name Xehanort didn't yet exist at that moment in time, and we were all better off for it.

Kingdom Hearts 2 was your standard bigger, badder sequel that fixed a ton of gameplay issues the first game had. One of the most significant improvements - at least in my eyes - was that, after roughly the halfway point of the game, you could return to the various worlds and have a second quest. One of the criticisms of the series overall is that visiting Disney worlds is too often just rehashing the plot of the movie with Sora and the gang clumsily inserted into the plot; the second quests were generally better tailored to the game itself.

The downside is that the plot started to chug full-speed towards Convolution Central in KH2 - you'd be forgiven for wondering if you accidentally bought the wrong game for the hours-long intro sequence. And it was readily apparent that you were missing significant chunks of the story by not having played that GBA game, which most people (myself included) would not have considered essential. Still, while KH1's plot ended on a bit of a cliffhanger, KH2 somehow managed to wrap things up fairly well, with only a vague hint at the very end of adventures to come.

So in many ways Kingdom Hearts is the Terminator of video game franchises; it's perfectly feasible to play the first two games, get a satisfying conclusion, and pretend all the other crap that came later doesn't exist.

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skermac
10/11/21 10:18:01 AM
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I think whoever dreamed it up was high at the time

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ChrisTaka
10/11/21 10:29:42 AM
#71:


tremain07 posted...

You guys are like little babies, you think Kingdom Hearts is complicated? Try explaining these 3's relationship to anybody.

Ahh Blazblue, a series where you could be caught up in every single piece of media that exists for it and still have no idea what the hell is going on.

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tremain07
10/11/21 11:23:36 AM
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i still wonder if Kokonoe was manipulating magic formula to craft the idea engine, that thing was outrageously powerful so powerful that Relius outfitted Arakune with it and it upped his seither efficiency enough that he could actually speak full sentences from then on and then there's the fact that not only did she have a legacy weapon to give to the intermediary grimiore aka the Variable Heart, the heart was able to complete the smeldering process while in the mist of battle,she must of dug it up somewhere in the boundary just like when she found the white susanoo and prime field device number 11, well what was left of her soul after those horrific experiments anyway. Kokonoe won pretty hard all things considering, the only thing she didn't win was her revenge on the snake for everything that happened between him, the lotus, the great sage, the platinum alchemist and the sister. One thing's for certain tho, whenever the next blablue, the so called "possibilities" might throw everything out the window as we know them phenomena interventions, the black beast, the central fiction and the chronophantasmas, through it could also end up triggering another calamity and continuum shift. Only time will tell and sadly we have both a lot and too little of it.

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SkyUmbreon
10/11/21 11:25:47 AM
#73:


Njolk posted...
Not the plot, just the idea behind it

anime + literally Goofy and Donald Duck? Who asked for this? Am I the only one who thinks this is so weird?

Why is it a thing? It's not like crossovers themselves are weird but what gamer likes little kid Disney characters? Are they popular in Japan?

Disney and Square wanted a Mario rival. Two employees, one from each company, met in an elevator and starting talking about a crossoever. Their bosses took it seriously.


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Lairen
10/11/21 11:26:20 AM
#74:


tremain07 posted...

You guys are like little babies, you think Kingdom Hearts is complicated? Try explaining these 3's relationship to anybody.

Based on outfit colors the one to the right is banging the other 2.

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tremain07
10/11/21 11:29:11 AM
#75:


Lairen posted...
Based on outfit colors the one to the right is banging the other 2.
She's 5

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Skiggie
10/11/21 11:32:29 AM
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Always hated that game

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Lairen
10/11/21 11:33:56 AM
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tremain07 posted...
She's 5

Theyre female??

And theyre not 5. Or they just made a 20 year old 5 in the story. 5 is like a very small child looking child.

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tremain07
10/11/21 11:36:02 AM
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Lairen posted...
And theyre not 5. Or they just made a 20 year old 5 in the story. 5 is like a very small child looking child.
It's a long story but chronically she's 5 years old, when the guys are in their 20s tho

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Lairen
10/11/21 11:40:36 AM
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tremain07 posted...
It's a long story but chronically she's 5 years old, when the guys are in their 20s tho

Her physical body is portrayed as 18-20

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tremain07
10/11/21 11:43:38 AM
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Okay it's a short story but how they get there is a long one.

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Prismsblade
10/11/21 11:49:44 AM
#82:


Njolk posted...
I have played about three hours of KH1 and I just didn't understand why adults like this game, it's extremely kiddy with all the Disney stuff
Seriously? Adults also play Mario, and pokemon game at release but KH confuses you?

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Lairen
10/11/21 11:52:34 AM
#83:


tremain07 posted...
Okay it's a short story but how they get there is a long one.

So is she a clone of ones sister so he wants to bang her while serving very close to the other for a long time making the other also want to bang her?

Im summarizing much in a short time.

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tremain07
10/11/21 11:55:41 AM
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Lairen posted...
So is she a clone of ones sister so he wants to bang her while serving very close to the other for a long time making the other also want to bang her?

Im summarizing much in a short time.
She's a clone yet not a clone and no he doesn't wanna do her nor does the other one wanna do her there's no incest here

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ChrisTaka
10/11/21 11:56:59 AM
#85:


tremain07 posted...
i still wonder if Kokonoe was manipulating magic formula to craft the idea engine, that thing was outrageously powerful so powerful that Relius outfitted Arakune with it and it upped his seither efficiency enough that he could actually speak full sentences from then on and then there's the fact that not only did she have a legacy weapon to give to the intermediary grimiore aka the Variable Heart, the heart was able to complete the smeldering process while in the mist of battle,she must of dug it up somewhere in the boundary just like when she found the white susanoo and prime field device number 11, well what was left of her soul after those horrific experiments anyway. Kokonoe won pretty hard all things considering, the only thing she didn't win was her revenge on the snake for everything that happened between him, the lotus, the great sage, the platinum alchemist and the sister. One thing's for certain tho, whenever the next blablue, the so called "possibilities" might throw everything out the window as we know them phenomena interventions, the black beast, the central fiction and the chronophantasmas, through it could also end up triggering another calamity and continuum shift. Only time will tell and sadly we have both a lot and too little of it.

This is why I can't talk to my friends about Blazblue

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Lairen
10/11/21 11:57:18 AM
#86:


tremain07 posted...
She's a clone yet not a clone and no he doesn't wanna do her nor does the other one wanna do her there's no incest here

Googling literally her boy friend brings up one and the fans are in deep debate about the other being incest or not.

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tremain07
10/11/21 12:01:16 PM
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Lairen posted...
Googling literally her boy friend brings up one and the fans are in deep debate about the other being incest or not.
That's because in a gag reel they were boyfriend and girlfriend, then he was knocked unconscious so she and her thieving sisters could rob some buxom ladies's hot pants in their quest for the and I quote "Perfect Ass"

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Lairen
10/11/21 12:02:50 PM
#88:


tremain07 posted...
That's because in a gag reel they were boyfriend and girlfriend, then he was knocked unconscious so she and her thieving sisters could rob some buxom ladies's hot pants in their quest for the and I quote "Perfect Ass"

So in short, her superior wants to bang his 5 year old super secretary and the other wants to bang his 5 year old sister.

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tremain07
10/11/21 12:06:14 PM
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He definitely doesn't he hates her and is mean to her all the time and the other guy wants to bang nobody through his foster mother was definitely interested as well as the vampire that watched over him from childhood to adulthood

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Lairen
10/11/21 12:54:21 PM
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tremain07 posted...
He definitely doesn't he hates her and is mean to her all the time and the other guy wants to bang nobody through his foster mother was definitely interested as well as the vampire that watched over him from childhood to adulthood

So he really wants to bang her.

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tremain07
10/11/21 12:56:56 PM
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It's not like that

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Srk700
10/11/21 1:04:45 PM
#92:


Chain of Memories and 2 do get a little ridiculous, but for the most part 1, CoM, and 2 are easy enough to follow along with.

Birth By Sleep (and 358/2 Days or whatever it was called which made the whole Roxas stuff more complicated than it needed to be) is when they started going off the rails though.
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Proto_Spark
10/11/21 1:07:49 PM
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The most basic idea is add a bit of anime to the Disney movies, and you get to bring your friends (Donald and Goofy) to play through a barely-changed version of your favourite Disney movies.

I figured that was why most worlds are just "The Disney movie plot, but with monsters in it"
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Gobstoppers12
10/11/21 1:08:41 PM
#94:


Njolk posted...
anime + literally Goofy and Donald Duck? Who asked for this? Am I the only one who thinks this is so weird?
Nobody asked for it, but tons of people lived it when they got it. It was an unknown craving.

Njolk posted...
Why is it a thing? It's not like crossovers themselves are weird but what gamer likes little kid Disney characters? Are they popular in Japan?
They're pretty popular in Japan. There's a sort of reverse-weeb culture over there that prefers the English version of American cartoons over the dubbed Japanese version.

And dude, almost everybody loves Disney characters. They're globally popular. Gamers love cartoons, especially cartoons from their childhood.

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Feline_Heart
10/11/21 1:12:53 PM
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The disney stuff is the main reason why the first game worked so well. They story didn't go off rails until the writers focused more on the overly complicated anime BS and treated the Disney stuff as an afterthought

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Ivany2008
10/11/21 1:20:26 PM
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Long story short. Sora is a normal boy who hangs out on an island with his friends who consist of a couple Final Fantasy characters who are in kid form and his 2 regular friends Riku and Kairi. One day something goes wrong and he finds a doorway which leads him away from the island and into Disney Universe via a town called Traverse Town.

After that the story gets a bit convoluted. He goes to different Disney lands to try and fix their individual problems, while a background story plays out that deals with beings called Heartless.

And yes, I asked for it. You can blame me for all you want, I don't care. I enjoyed the first 2 KH games, as well as Chain of Memories. Not so much the one for the PSP as the controls were a bit awkward.
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Derwood
10/11/21 4:32:13 PM
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I, for one, would like a GTA / Crash Bandicoot / Tetris mashup
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