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Njolk
10/08/21 4:26:37 PM
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Not the plot, just the idea behind it

anime + literally Goofy and Donald Duck? Who asked for this? Am I the only one who thinks this is so weird?

Why is it a thing? It's not like crossovers themselves are weird but what gamer likes little kid Disney characters? Are they popular in Japan?

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Strider102
10/08/21 4:28:28 PM
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The basic ideas are:

Kingdom Hearts is light!

My friends are my power!

Come Guardian!

Keyblade!

Darkness!

Riku!

Sora!

You know all that there is to know.

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Heartomaton
10/08/21 4:29:25 PM
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gna647
10/08/21 4:30:29 PM
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obsolete
10/08/21 4:30:33 PM
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Can someone explain Kingdom Hearts to me?

Impossible task

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R_Jackal
10/08/21 4:32:46 PM
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It's basically a shounen anime plot from a story arc that shows the series should've ended many years ago and they're just making shit up now.
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Njolk
10/08/21 4:34:52 PM
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Heartomaton posted...
https://youtu.be/OZ7IxXN9hm0

lol I loved that

But I still don't get the Disney part

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Oubliettes
10/08/21 4:35:54 PM
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Basically it boils down to when you walk away, you don't hear me say, "Please, oh baby, don't go." Simple and clean is the way that you're making me feel tonight. It's hard to let it go. You're giving me too many things lately. You're all I need, oh you smiled at me and said "Don't get me wrong, I love you but does that mean I have to meet your father?" When we are older, you'll understand what I meant when I said "No, I don't think life is quite that simple."

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masterpug53
10/08/21 4:36:47 PM
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If you're asking for the root idea behind the series' creation, it was a crossover between Final Fantasy and Disney at a time when FF was still king shit of video game mountain and Disney was in its awkward post-Renaissance, pre-Pixar and Marvel phase. Once the KH had its own foothold and FF started to wane in popularity, the FF aspect was phased out in favor of original characters.

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Lost_All_Senses
10/08/21 4:37:11 PM
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Njolk posted...
lol I loved that

But I still don't get the Disney part

The Disney part is what makes people defend the nonsense story and anticipate new releases even though the story is bad

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dotsdfe
10/08/21 4:38:01 PM
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The TLDR is that Nomura is really, really bad at writing larger-scale stories and he thinks that revealing that like 5 different characters are actually all the same character through really, really convoluted anime bullshit is a brilliant twist.

Or "Hearts! Anime! Power of friendship! But darkness! Scary!"

...Or, the other alternative, just play KH1 for its dumb Disney-themed nostalgia and pretend that the rest of the series doesn't exist.

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Strider102
10/08/21 4:39:14 PM
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https://youtu.be/120HFjKPuJ4

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Njolk
10/08/21 4:39:29 PM
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dotsdfe posted...
The TLDR is that Nomura is really, really bad at writing larger-scale stories and he thinks that revealing that like 5 different characters are actually all the same character through really, really convoluted anime bullshit is a brilliant twist.

Or "Hearts! Anime! Power of friendship! But darkness! Scary!"

...Or, the other alternative, just play KH1 for its dumb Disney-themed nostalgia and pretend that the rest of the series doesn't exist.

I have played about three hours of KH1 and I just didn't understand why adults like this game, it's extremely kiddy with all the Disney stuff

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AirFresh
10/08/21 4:39:46 PM
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Kid lives on an island, wants to bang red head who lives on the same island, tides selphie and walks live there too and they're all 12 for some reason, suddenly shadow monsters with no hearts invade and girl kid wants to bang gets sucked up. Donald and Goofy are alerted this by King Mickey, and that the shadow monsters are ravaging worlds that all happen to be Disney Worlds, kid eventually gets found by Donald and Goofy and go on a planet hopping adventure where he seals holes with his giant key

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Njolk
10/08/21 4:40:33 PM
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masterpug53 posted...
If you're asking for the root idea behind the series' creation, it was a crossover between Final Fantasy and Disney at a time when FF was still king shit of video game mountain and Disney was in its awkward post-Renaissance, pre-Pixar and Marvel phase. Once the KH had its own foothold and FF started to wane in popularity, the FF aspect was phased out in favor of original characters.

I guess that makes sense, just such a strange combo to me. But maybe since I missed its time I'll never understand

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Hambo the Hog
10/08/21 4:41:06 PM
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You get over the weird juxtaposition pretty quickly when you're playing. Partly I think because in the first game, Sora is anime, but he's still a kid and has kind of a childlike wonder about visiting all these cartoon worlds.

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Njolk
10/08/21 4:41:08 PM
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AirFresh posted...
Kid lives on an island, wants to bang red head who lives on the same island, tides selphie and walks live there too and they're all 12 for some reason, suddenly shadow monsters with no hearts invade and girl kid wants to bang gets sucked up. Donald and Goofy are alerted this by King Mickey, and that the shadow monsters are ravaging worlds that all happen to be Disney Worlds, kid eventually gets found by Donald and Goofy and go on a planet hopping adventure where he seals holes with his giant key

Not the plot

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Ilishe
10/08/21 4:41:17 PM
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There's nothing to understand, play them if you have fun.

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Kiyune
10/08/21 4:41:33 PM
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I remember hearing that the concept was pitched because of a chance encounter in an elevator and things went from there, I'm not sure how true that is though

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NoxObscuras
10/08/21 4:42:29 PM
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Njolk posted...
Why is it a thing? It's not like crossovers themselves are weird but what gamer likes little kid Disney characters? Are they popular in Japan?
From what I understand after two producers at Square talked about how Disney characters were the only ones popular enough to rival Mario games, Nomura volunteered to lead the project.

And I loved Disney as a kid, so when a crossover between the Square Soft (they were huge at this point) and Disney was announced, I was incredibly excited. So yeah, there was a target audience. I was 12 when the game released and most of my friends were just as excited about it as I was.

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AirFresh
10/08/21 4:42:40 PM
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Oh they are just really fun action rpgs with a bonkers storyline and amazing music. Not much more to it

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MC_BatCommander
10/08/21 4:43:35 PM
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Njolk posted...
I guess that makes sense, just such a strange combo to me. But maybe since I missed its time I'll never understand

It was a lot of fun back when it was new. Now the games are so packed with anime garbage they're hard to enjoy. The first game will always be my favorite for this reason

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Strider102
10/08/21 4:45:40 PM
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I wish I could find the video of the guy watching a cutscene then facepalms at the end.

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Njolk
10/08/21 4:45:57 PM
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NoxObscuras posted...
From what I understand after two producers at Square talked about how Disney characters were the only ones popular enough to rival Mario games, Nomura volunteered to lead the project.

And I loved Disney as a kid, so when a crossover between the Square Soft (they were huge at this point) and Disney was announced, I was incredibly excited. So yeah, there was a target audience. I was 12 when the game released and most of my friends were just as excited about it as I was.

Ah that's interesting, that makes sense

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_MorningStar
10/08/21 4:54:36 PM
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dotsdfe posted...
...Or, the other alternative, just play KH1 for its dumb Disney-themed nostalgia and pretend that the rest of the series doesn't exist.
KH2 shits on 1 in every conceivable way

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pegusus123456
10/08/21 4:59:00 PM
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It may just be an urban legend, but the popular story is that a Square employee and a Disney employee ran into each other in an elevator and that's where they got the idea.

_MorningStar posted...
KH2 shits on 1 in every conceivable way

This is not true. The combat is way better, but the story is a little worse and the levels are way worse.

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Xethuminra
10/08/21 5:02:46 PM
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Xatrion
10/08/21 5:11:05 PM
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Damn, there was an amusing flowchart with pictures that explained just about everything, but I can't find it.

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Strider102
10/08/21 5:19:47 PM
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Xatrion posted...
Damn, there was an amusing flowchart with pictures that explained just about everything, but I can't find it.

This?



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pegusus123456
10/08/21 5:20:59 PM
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Strider102 posted...
This?
I imagine he's talking about the one which is an insanely huge flowchart talking about the connections between all the characters and it looks like someone dumped a basket full of yarn on the DeviantArt original characters tag

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Strider102
10/08/21 5:23:26 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
I imagine he's talking about the one which is an insanely huge flowchart talking about the connections between all the characters and it looks like someone dumped a basket full of yarn on the DeviantArt original characters tag



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Xatrion
10/08/21 5:24:19 PM
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Strider102 posted...
This?


No, it was something else. I found a reddit post with it, but it seems to have been deleted. Shame.

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Tyranthraxus
10/08/21 5:26:19 PM
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Look up Vin Diesel nothing is stronger than family memes.

That's your explanation.

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Strider102
10/08/21 5:27:16 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi
10/08/21 5:29:11 PM
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Everybody is the same guy

Basically

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unnamedsoldier
10/08/21 5:30:02 PM
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Njolk posted...
I have played about three hours of KH1 and I just didn't understand why adults like this game, it's extremely kiddy with all the Disney stuff

Most Nintendo games are extremely kiddy and adults love those
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DeadBankerDream
10/08/21 5:30:51 PM
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Lost_All_Senses posted...
The Disney part is what makes people defend the nonsense story and anticipate new releases even though the story is bad
There's more to entertainment than story.

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Tyranthraxus
10/08/21 5:32:15 PM
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unnamedsoldier posted...
Most Nintendo games are extremely kiddy and adults love those

Most Nintendo games have no real story.

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Letsago
10/08/21 5:33:16 PM
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The TC reminded me of the time I wore a KH shirt in a restaurant and the waiter basically said the same thing, like "Anime... and Disney?"

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Njolk
10/08/21 5:48:04 PM
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unnamedsoldier posted...
Most Nintendo games are extremely kiddy and adults love those

Well it's ok if you like it but to me Mario is just fun cartoon styling

Literally Goofy the dog saying "Hyuck! Garsh we're in deep doo doo Sora!" is a bit much for me compared to a little guy with a moustache riding a dinosaur

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Fade2black001
10/08/21 5:51:13 PM
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Strider102 posted...
The basic ideas are:

Kingdom Hearts is light!

My friends are my power!

Come Guardian!

Keyblade!

Darkness!

Riku!

Sora!

You know all that there is to know.
Kairi
Nobodies
Ansem
Mickey
Donald
Goofy
Heartless
Keyblade


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pegusus123456
10/08/21 6:07:32 PM
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Njolk posted...
Literally Goofy the dog saying "Hyuck! Garsh we're in deep doo doo Sora!"
TC, this is a spoiler, but something even dumber happens in KH2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjcPItRt1Zw

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Hambo the Hog
10/08/21 6:20:17 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
TC, this is a spoiler, but something even dumber happens in KH2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjcPItRt1Zw
That's a silly one, but I still think it's weirder when Donald and Goofy start talking about complex mechanics of nobodies and datascapes in scenes in KH3 lol. In 1 and 2, SDG mostly just bumble around saving the world while all the lore happens around them and we hear about it in reports and scenes about other characters. Then in 3 you start hearing Goofy talk about how the journal was converted into data and unversed are born out of negativity. It's jarring lol.

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loafy013
10/08/21 6:33:32 PM
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Hambo the Hog posted...
That's a silly one, but I still think it's weirder when Donald and Goofy start talking about complex mechanics of nobodies and datascapes in scenes in KH3 lol. In 1 and 2, SDG mostly just bumble around saving the world while all the lore happens around them and we hear about it in reports and scenes about other characters. Then in 3 you start hearing Goofy talk about how the journal was converted into data and unversed are born out of negativity. It's jarring lol.
I finally started playing this like a week ago, and yeah, it is a mess. Doesn't help that I have no idea what the hell is going on either. Guess I should have watched some of those 10 hour videos explaining whatever happened between KH2 and 3 instead of the game having some sort of explanation as to who the people are.

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SSJ_Goku
10/08/21 6:38:05 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YVTBQCbezQ

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Strider102
10/08/21 6:49:13 PM
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Rharyx211
10/10/21 3:22:47 PM
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loafy013 posted...
instead of the game having some sort of explanation as to who the people are.
Honestly, the game spends a frustrating amount of time recapping the plots of previous games. To the point it gets annoying to someone who's actually played those games.

Half of Riku and Mickey's scenes are them just standing around spouting exposition to themselves for the sake of audience.

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Tappor
10/10/21 3:28:35 PM
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itt I don't understand it so it's bad

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Hambo the Hog
10/10/21 3:29:43 PM
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Rharyx211 posted...
Honestly, the game spends a frustrating amount of time recapping the plots of previous games. To the point it gets annoying to someone who's actually played those games.

Half of Riku and Mickey's scenes are them just standing around spouting exposition to themselves for the sake of audience.
It's a lose-lose situation when you release crucial plot point in forty different games and rereleases across ten different platforms and a drip-feed mobile game over the course of fifteen years. Either you recap everything in a big confusing exposition dump that wastes time in the current game, or you just leave everyone who didn't buy every final mix and keep up with the mobile game and read all the Nomura interviews to drown.

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geshkigal
10/10/21 3:36:40 PM
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Got tired of clicking all these links to see if the dunkey vid was posted, so here ya go:

https://youtu.be/8o1ieehttdA

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