Poll of the Day > Do you have a problem with businesses requiring you to provide proof of

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Can't say it bothers me as I have proof. It might be a issue if I'm with others but meh.

LinkPizza posted...

Like every time you enter a place?

In the UK we have a track and trace system that for the most part is a shitshow. Not sure things like that would work well.

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Yeah, as soon as they agree to let me stay working remotely indefinitely regardless of vaccination then I don't mind getting the vaccine if someone wants to come to my door with it.

What I never wanted was to get vaccinated and that be their pathetic excuse to drag me back into the office around other people I didn't want to be around.

I also didn't want theaters to come back like before and miss out on movies direct to streaming, or for any other good things covid brought the world to go away.

Basically, stop making it about returning our way of life to a previous normal that was crap anyway. If the vaccine can just be a vaccine and "normalcy" isn't the dumb end goal that we are all supposed to apparently want...then I'd get more behind it, or at the very least tolerate it.

About to ask for the permanent remote set up w/ my job before this nonsense starts. If they say yes, I don't mind someone coming to my door and doing whatever as long as it's relatively safe for me and if that placates some of their ridiculous hysteria.

I will miss direct to streaming movies, but whatever at this point...apparently there is just some stuff the masses refuse to give up on.

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DrYuya posted...

I also didn't want theaters to come back like before and miss out on movies direct to streaming, or for any other good things covid brought the world to go away.

They should do both. But Id pick theater over streaming personally

But Im also different because I like going into work to see my friends there. Plus, my job isnt really one I can do from home. And I know Id get much less work done

DrYuya posted...

Basically, stop making it about returning our way of life to a previous normal that was crap anyway.

I mean, not everyone hated the previous normal. If it can make things go back to normal, but let other people keep their new normal, that would be best I mean, I like the old normal more than the new normal, anyway. But some people like the new normal. Finding a middle ground would be best for everyone
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Business refuses to serve gay couples.

"It's their constitutional right!"

Business refuses to serve unvaccinated people.

"That's unconstitutional!"

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captpackrat posted...

Business refuses to serve gay couples.
"It's their constitutional right!"

Business refuses to serve unvaccinated people.
"That's unconstitutional!"

Do you want an actual answer to that, or just be mad?

shadowsword87 posted...

Do you want an actual answer to that, or just be mad?

I mean, he does have a point. People will do that. The funny thing is, while people cant get served for being gay, its not something they chose. But its still fine not to serve them. Yet people can choose whether of not to get vaccinated, but not serving them is where we draw the line. Its is kind of a bullshit thing
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DrYuya posted...

Yeah, as soon as they agree to let me stay working remotely indefinitely regardless of vaccination

It's going to vary from workplace to workplace, but I expect remote work to stick around even after Covid's no longer a concern. A lot of places have resisted the idea because of the widespread belief that it would impair productivity, but now that we've been forced to conduct an actual large-scale experiment on the matter, that doesn't seem to be the case at all, and many places are actually reaping considerable benefits (including being able to pay employees less because they can live in cheaper areas instead of needing to be near the office). Your workplace may decide to go back to in-person work, but if you want to work remotely, I'm sure you'll be able to find somewhere that is okay with that.

DrYuya posted...

I don't mind getting the vaccine if someone wants to come to my door with it.

This, on the other hand, is just silly. It takes like an hour to go get a vaccine. It's not a significant effort in the slightest; stop being lazy.

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adjl posted...

I think you need to go back and rethink this post.

A plane that breaks up is still part of one singular crash unless you mean if two crash into each other.

captpackrat posted...

Business refuses to serve gay couples.

"It's their constitutional right!"

Business refuses to serve unvaccinated people.

"That's unconstitutional!"

Not serving gays is literally against the constitution anyway. Vaccinations are completely different.
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A business owner is free to require you to provide that as it is THEIR business.

dont like it dont go in. or put up YOUR money and buy their business from them then you can make the decisions.

if its their business and they want to require all customers to wear clown shoes thats their perogative.

dont like it go somewhere else.

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Revelation34 posted...

A plane that breaks up is still part of one singular crash unless you mean if two crash into each other.

Not serving gays is literally against the constitution anyway. Vaccinations are completely different.

unfortunately not serving gays is not against the constitution, gays/sexual orientation is only a protected class in some states. Sexual orientation SHOULD be a protected class in all states. That is a diff issue and not technically part of the discussion.

but vaccination status is not the same as race gender sexual orientation.

also vaccination status is a safety issue to protect other customers and employees.

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Lets change one little bit here.

Would you mind if you had to prove you were of a none-Jewish decent?

Oh you are Jewish...we don't serve your kind you can't come in.

Oh you aren't vaxxed...we don't serve your kind you can't come in.

It really is sad how many people will give up their freedom and accept a tyrant who thinks he has way more power than he does. You all wonder how Hitler came to power...well we are seeing how right before our eyes.

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Decoy77 posted...

Lets change one little bit here.

Would you mind if you had to prove you were of a none-Jewish decent?

Oh you are Jewish...we don't serve your kind you can't come in.

Oh you aren't vaxxed...we don't serve your kind you can't come in.

It really is sad how many people will give up their freedom and accept a tyrant who thinks he has way more power than he does. You all wonder how Hitler came to power...well we are seeing how right before our eyes.

If by none-Jewish descent, you mean genetically Jewish, then that's something you can't change. Which s different from vaccination, which you can change. And either way, you couldn't tell none-jewish people not to come in as that either falls under race or religion, which are both protected by the constitution. So, I don't know if you analogy really works well here...
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No.

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adjl posted...

It's going to vary from workplace to workplace, but I expect remote work to stick around even after Covid's no longer a concern. A lot of places have resisted the idea because of the widespread belief that it would impair productivity, but now that we've been forced to conduct an actual large-scale experiment on the matter, that doesn't seem to be the case at all, and many places are actually reaping considerable benefits (including being able to pay employees less because they can live in cheaper areas instead of needing to be near the office). Your workplace may decide to go back to in-person work, but if you want to work remotely, I'm sure you'll be able to find somewhere that is okay with that.

Anyone who thinks this should go ahead and try to hook themselves up with a remote job... or at the very least entertain the idea and try

The resistance most places have translates pretty damn well over to nobody else wanting to just let someone go remote. Most places still believe the old system should come back and are fighting for it..so hiring people they have promised to let WFH indefinitely they still see as a bad thing.

I've been trying to go full remote somewhere for months now in fear this all was ending and have had no luck. And I just work in a tech/data entry field where I don't even NEED to be around people.

The idea that there's going to be widespread WFH stuff everywhere is maybe something you'll hear in the news or read about on certain sites...but the reality is nothing like that. Jobs are apparently just as if not more resistant to the new normal than the general population. They still believe eventually dragging us all to offices for no reason is better.

And you can tell me I'm assuming/maybe my job will let me/they'll probably let those who want to stay home etc etc etc all you want. Reality never turns out that way. They open that stuff back up, and it won't be much later the management who wanted it all opened again sees the employees who are there in person as more desirable, and everyone's back to the same crappy commute and office experience we all had before...or looking for something else (which again won't work out either)

Ultimately, getting rid of the old normal is the more certain way, so these stubborn companies are FORCED to give it all up. Otherwise, yeah...office work will come back.

This, on the other hand, is just silly. It takes like an hour to go get a vaccine. It's not a significant effort in the slightest; stop being lazy.

I thought THEY wanted ME to get the vaccine, not the other way around. I guess it'd be the same to say the people giving the vaccine could "stop being lazy" and come over here.

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Revelation34 posted...

A plane that breaks up is still part of one singular crash unless you mean if two crash into each other.

I just noticed that Sunny wrote "crashes" instead of "chances." Carry on, I missed that part of the joke.

Decoy77 posted...

Lets change one little bit here.

Would you mind if you had to prove you were of a none-Jewish decent?

Oh you are Jewish...we don't serve your kind you can't come in.

Oh you aren't vaxxed...we don't serve your kind you can't come in.

It really is sad how many people will give up their freedom and accept a tyrant who thinks he has way more power than he does. You all wonder how Hitler came to power...well we are seeing how right before our eyes.

1. Being Jewish is not a significant public health risk
2. Being barred from businesses for being Jewish is a lifelong disadvantage you'll never be able to do anything about. Being barred from businesses for being unvaccinated takes about 2 hours to fix (well, ~6 weeks from start to finish, but there's also nothing stopping anyone from getting a head start on that)

Not exactly the most valid analogy.

DrYuya posted...

The resistance most places have translates pretty damn well over to nobody else wanting to just let someone go remote. Most places still believe the old system should come back and are fighting for it..so hiring people they have promised to let WFH indefinitely they still see as a bad thing.

My personal experience with the Canadian Federal Government is that they're really liking the idea of being able to downsize their office rentals and move toward a mostly-remote arrangement with smaller-scale touch-down office space for the occasional person that needs to come in, rather than dedicated cubicles/offices. That won't apply to everywhere (mostly because many companies don't want to admit that their middle management bloat has always been pointless and stupid), but options certainly do exist.

DrYuya posted...

I thought THEY wanted ME to get the vaccine, not the other way around. I guess it'd be the same to say the people giving the vaccine could "stop being lazy" and come over here.

The logistics of arranging house calls for every person that wants a vaccine are infinitely more complex than just getting those people to come in on their own time. The time savings for the patient are also going to be pretty minimal, given that roughly half of that hour is taken up by registering, actually getting the shot, and resting for 15 minutes to ensure nothing goes horribly awry, but in a house call scenario, that 15 minutes of staff time has to happen for every patient in sequence, rather than being able to have multiple people wait in parallel for greater efficiency. Unless it's somebody that genuinely can't get to a clinic (LTC residents being the most noteworthy example) or a particularly large group of people all getting vaccinated at once, it makes far more sense to have people come to the clinics, rather than the other way around. Get over yourself, you're not that special.

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No only people that would care are the ones who arent vaccinated

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Decoy77 posted...

Lets change one little bit here.

Would you mind if you had to prove you were of a none-Jewish decent?

Oh you are Jewish...we don't serve your kind you can't come in.

Oh you aren't vaxxed...we don't serve your kind you can't come in.

It really is sad how many people will give up their freedom and accept a tyrant who thinks he has way more power than he does. You all wonder how Hitler came to power...well we are seeing how right before our eyes.

Who wants to bet this opinion comes from someone who had no problem with businesses refusing to serve gay people

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Clench281 posted...

Who wants to bet this opinion comes from someone who had no problem with businesses refusing to serve gay people

Seeing as they made a transphobic post in another topic, it wouldnt surprise me
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It's a bad analogy, but I wouldn't call it antisemitic. He's just appealing to people's anti-antisemitism by presenting a scenario he knows most would not consider acceptable. Really, he's comparing the CDC (or, more saliently, everyone in power that listens to them) to Nazis, rather than expressing any actual hatred for Jews.

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Zangulus posted...

I don't care what you'd call it. He chose to compare jews to a global pandemic.

No, he's comparing antisemitism to the response to said pandemic.

Zangulus posted...

The first line, followed by this is pretty f***ing stupid to be honest. To say it's not anti-semitic but then to say he's appealing to people who are...

Note the second "anti-" in there. He's not appealing to people who are antisemitic, he's appealing to people who hate antisemitism. He's basically demonstrating an offshoot of Godwin's Law.

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I agree that it's a terrible analogy. I said as much before you even posted. It's just not antisemitic any more than saying "consider somebody that doesn't like pineapples on pizza" is anti-pineapple.

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