Current Events > Over 75% of Japanese women say they had sex with a male co-worker. 45+% were ONS

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Finding time for romance in Japan can sometimes be a difficult task. Many secondary schools prohibit their students from dating, under the logic that doing so keeps them focused on their studies. In college, most social interactions are centered around group activities with members of the same extracurricular clubs or research teams. And once you hit adulthood, theres a chance that your company will pretty much dominate your day-to-day schedule, what with all the overtime and after-work drinking sessions.

So its not so surprising that many Japanese women end up finding the emotional/physical companionship they crave in the arms of a coworker. Still, the results of a recent survey show the practice to be surprisingly common among its participants.

Aikatsu polled its female users, asking how many of them have, in its delicately chosen words, had a physical relationship with someone from your workplace. more than three in four women said they had slept with someone from the office.

Also, 45.5 percent of the survey participants said that not only had they had sex with a male colleague, but that the physical union had happened without the two being in a committed romantic relationship. An additional 32.2 percent said theyd only crossed that line after entering into a relationship with a male coworker, leaving just 22.3 percent who had never mixed business with consenting-adult pleasure.

Now, obviously, this shouldnt be taken to say that people in Japan treat their offices like a meat market. However, as mentioned above, Japanese society often leaves adults with precious little time to meet people (or do much of anything) outside of work. Japan also has virtually no stigmas about romances beginning in the workplace, as long as things are kept discreet and everyone keeps fulfilling their professional responsibilities.

Full Article: https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/over-75-percent-of-japanese-women-say-they%E2%80%99ve-slept-with-a-male-coworker-survey



"You can't romance in youth because it distracts from your studies."
"You can't romance when you're employed because it distracts from your work."

Well then the fuck can you get your groove on? When you're 73?

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I married a co-worker lol

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Nope, through it's probably because I'm an idiot who can't read when someone is hitting on me and because of a slew of personal self value issues and complete fear at intimine relationships

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brb getting a job in Japan

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People still are hooking up at the office in the west though. Id say its actually typical

Damn_Underscore posted...

brb getting a job in Japan

They didn't say they had sex with anyone.

They're probablly all fucking the same small group of guys

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UnfairRepresent posted...

They didn't say they had sex with anyone.

They're probablly all fucking the same small group of guys

An anime fan like me won't have any trouble finding a gf

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UnfairRepresent posted...

They didn't say they had sex with anyone.

They're probablly all fucking the same small group of guys

This, 97% of women sleep with the same 3% of men

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What the article doesn't mention is that it's basically the bosses building themselves harems. "Sleep with me or lose a chance at promotion."

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Stagmar posted...

What the article doesn't mention is that it's basically the bosses building themselves harems. "Sleep with me or lose a chance at promotion."

Jeez that's depressing

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UnfairRepresent posted...

They didn't say they had sex with anyone.

They're probablly all fucking the same small group of guys

What does Japanese Chad look like?

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Tends to happen if you live at work.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

What does Japanese Chad look like?

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Finding time for romance in Japan can sometimes be a difficult task. Many secondary schools prohibit their students from dating, under the logic that doing so keeps them focused on their studies. In college, most social interactions are centered around group activities with members of the same extracurricular clubs or research teams. And once you hit adulthood, theres a chance that your company will pretty much dominate your day-to-day schedule, what with all the overtime and after-work drinking sessions.

Yeah, we work so much here in Japan that we work less hours than the US on average:
https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?DataSetCode=ANHRS

They need to update their stereotypes for Japan articles. The other one is suicide, which once again the US has a higher suicide rate than Japan. This is the quality of journalism you guys get.

And dating sites are huge here (mainly domestic ones) as well as various singles meetups (they even have ones just for anime fans). I used to date women off dating apps when I first moved here. People absolutely have time to date people outside of work. They're having sex with coworkers because there's no stigma against it. And many, many people here do not consider one night stands or prostitution cheating, which opens up a lot of possibilities.

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I mean, you put people in the same space for most of their lives, what would you think would happen?

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Technically, yes, because I worked with my, at the time, girlfriend for a few months. But we were dating for years before working together. So for the purposes of this poll: No, I haven't slept with any woman that I've met through work. Although I have asked a few out with no success so far lol.

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ssjevot posted...

Yeah, we work so much here in Japan that we work less hours than the US on average:

https://japantoday.com/category/crime/illegal-amounts-of-overtime-going-on-at-37-percent-of-japanese-companies-in-government-inspections

37% of companies have illegally too much overtime. Some over 150 hours a month of unpaid overtime.

AND 37% is the lowest ever recorded figure of such violations.

Yes it's a sterotype but it's one based in reality and really should not be downplayed or ignored. People are legitimately working themselves to death or sickness due to pressure to work.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

https://japantoday.com/category/crime/illegal-amounts-of-overtime-going-on-at-37-percent-of-japanese-companies-in-government-inspections

37% of companies have illegally too much overtime. Some over 150 hours a month of unpaid overtime.

AND 37% is the lowest ever recorded figure of such violations.

Yes it's a sterotype but it's one based in reality and really should not be downplayed or ignored. People are legitimately working themselves to death or sickness due to pressure to work.

Again the US works more hours on average, and the OECD data takes into account unpaid overtime. People on the internet don't know what living and working in Japan is like because they just read sensationalist news articles. Same reason they think suicide rates are higher in Japan than the US when they're not.

The article is trying to explain why this is happening with a premise that isn't true. US works more hours on average, the reason this happens more in Japan is as I explained in my post.

Also you should check out the work productivity OECD data. Japan is so bad for a reason. Anyone who has worked here will tell you how much downtime you have where you literally do nothing but stare at your desk (my wife has worked for places where they don't even care if you just play games on your phone during downtime).

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US suicide rate: 13.42 per 100,000 individuals
Japan suicide rate: 16.7 suicides per 100,000

And that's 2020 data. Japan's suicide rate has greatly increased during 2021.

To add to that, it's student suicide rate is the highest it's ever been (despite the overall figure going down for Japan) and suicide is the leading cause of death for 19-35 year olds.

US average work week: 34.4 hours per week,
Japan average: 40 hours.

22% of the country works 50 hour work weeks. Higher than the US 22% 40 hour

And Japan has a big problem as mentioned in the article you ignored with massive amounts of illegal unpaid overtime. As stated sometimes in the realm of 150 hours a month. AKA an addtional 38 hours overtime on top of your work week.

This "I worked here so I know the truth" shtick is ridiclous and a lazy defense of Japan's problems.

Both suicide and overworking are far worse in Japan than the US and there is a lot of cultural stigma surrounding work ethic and expectations of the working man that aren't as prevelant in the US.

Hell even going "WEll things are bad in America too!" isn't a defense before you get into your lying.

You don't help solve or empathize with these horrible issues by ignoring them. You're doing a disservce to the people who right now need the most help

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Had I known this, I would've taken the chance to move to Japan.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

US suicide rate: 13.42 per 100,000 individuals
Japan suicide rate: 16.7 suicides per 100,000

And that's 2020 data. Japan's suicide rate has greatly increased during 2021.

Are you just making stuff up or do you have a source?
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-rate-by-country

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

US is higher.

I already posted the work data, so obviously you made that part up, but feel free to post some actual sources if you find some.


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ScazarMeltex posted...

What does Japanese Chad look like?

5'10"

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UR arguing about a country hes never been to with someone who lives there? Must be a day ending in -y

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ssjevot posted...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

US is higher.

Wut

No it's not.
US is 28th
Japan is 17th

From your own links.

And that's using 2019 data... The rate in Japan has gotten even worse since then.

Both awful awful figures but why the fuck are you lying about Japanese suicides? Particually downplaying the literally highest ever recorded rate of student suicides and the fact it's the most common cause of death from 19-35 year olds? Some of the most depressing and important facts coming from Japan right now?

It's not cool dude.

ssjevot posted...

I already posted the work data, so obviously you made that part up, but feel free to post some actual sources if you find some.

Translation: "Idon't have any counter arguments."

Figured as much.

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Shezarr posted...

UR arguing about a country hes never been to with someone who lives there? Must be a day ending in -y

I've been to Japan.

And "I live there so therefore anything I say about it is true" is the zennith of foolish logic.

Imagine believing anything a Trumper or Qannon goon tells you about America just because he lives there.

If anything a totally neutral unbiased perspective is the best possible one.

People tend to be patriotic and grow attached and get emotional. They don't like admitting things about a place they love that's awful. A Texan may well rather crawl across broken glass and say Texas is great than stand on flat ground and admit it has faults.

In ssjevot's case, Japan's high suicide rate and work culture. Especially their youth/student suicide rate.


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ssjevot posted...

And many, many people here do not consider one night stands or prostitution cheating, which opens up a lot of possibilities.

So in general your significant other wouldn't care if you're sleeping around with different people? Or even if they did you wouldn't be seen as doing something wrong? Either way I kinda find that hard to believe.

Literally from Wikipedia article:
Japan 12.2
US 14.5

Literally 2021 data from other article:
US 16.1
Japan 15.3

And again you are trying to make this out to be some kind of weird patriotism or whatever shit. Japan has a lot of problems, work culture can be improved, suicide rate can be lowered. But we also we the longest life expectancy in the world, lowest crime rate, lowest homeless rate, and consistently rate near the top of quality of life ranking around the world.

The issue I had is the article is using a stereotype to explain something that isn't actually true. And what I find interesting is that Korea has an abnormally high suicide rate and works far more hours, but the stereotype doesn't exist so we just talk about Japan despite you know, the US objectively having a higher suicide rate and working more hours.

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BusyGettingLaid posted...

So in general your significant other wouldn't care if you're sleeping around with different people? Or even if they did you wouldn't be seen as doing something wrong? Either way I kinda find that hard to believe.

My wife doesn't care (though she is Chinese not Japanese), but yes many do not consider casual sex cheating here. If you live in the US, realize your culture is more prudish about these things than many others.

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what does ONS mean? in the topic title?

UnfairRepresent posted...

I've been to Japan.

lmao. Apparently you've been to every country you express a foolish opinion on

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Limitless

Chad

DICK

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CwebbMichSac4 posted...

what does ONS mean? in the topic title?

one night stands, I assume

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@ssjevot
ssjevot posted...

And many, many people here do not consider one night stands or prostitution cheating, which opens up a lot of possibilities.

What percentage is "many"? Everything I've heard about Japan and sex suggests they are actually fairly conservative socially. I find this a shocking claim.

Also, in terms of being socially conservative, I had a really bad experience with a Japanese language instructor. I'm in a wheelchair, and she talked to me like a child, pretended I wasn't there when I didn't drop the class, and actually asked if the wheelchair she saw belonged to someone in the class, in a tone like "they let one of those in here?!". When I was in high school, the lone Japanese exchange student we had took one look at my wheelchair and would never speak to me.

I know, a sample size of two isn't huge, but it was two totally unrelated people displaying the same negative behavior was kind of alarming being the person the receiving end.

Also literally from your Wikipedia article:
US is 28th
Japan is 17th

And this article:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/622249/japan-suicide-number-per-100-000-inhabitants/

In 2020, Japan reported 16.7 suicides per 100,000 inhabitants.

Here's another:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.STA.SUIC.P5?locations=JP

2019: 15.3.

So what you're saying is if you cherry pick speicifc studies you might find one that says the US is higher. And that means it's not a problem in Japan and it's fine for you to ignore the literally highest ever recorded rate of student suicides and the fact it's the most common cause of death from 19-35 year olds? And all studies and figures saying it's even worse than the US? If you don't ignore it then it's sterotyping?

Dude this is the stupidest and quite harmful fucking hill to die on.

I'll repeat that pointing out the US has suicide problems still isn't a defense of Japan before you get into your dishonesty.

Japan has a massive problem with suicide (specifically youth suicide) and a work culture that forces people to overwork against their health.

You denying this is silly and boarderline offensive. Concern about the suicide rates and work rates in Japan isn't about sterotyping, it's about concern. You're doing people a disservice by ignoring them.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Also literally from your Wikipedia article:
US is 28th
Japan is 17th

And this article:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/622249/japan-suicide-number-per-100-000-inhabitants/

In 2020, Japan reported 16.7 suicides per 100,000 inhabitants.

Here's another:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.STA.SUIC.P5?locations=JP

2019: 15.3.

Compared to what US rates on the same dataset? You are posting just Japan, what is the US rate in those data sets?

Again Japan could and should lower its suicide rate, that doesn't mean it's abnormally high and you have yet to show a dataset where Japan is higher than the US.

I am curious if you think everyone here is overworking themselves to bad health then how are Japanese people the longest living in the world and why doesn't the data show Japanese working more hours than Americans who apparently aren't?

Oh and where are you getting this ranking data in the Wikipedia article? I copy pasted the data. I don't see how you are getting this ranking data.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Here's another:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.STA.SUIC.P5?locations=JP

2019: 15.3.

Okay I found the US for this one, it is listed as 16.1.

Dude this is just sad now.

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ssjevot posted...

Compared to what US rates on the same dataset? You are posting just Japan, what is the US rate in those data sets?

Again Japan could and should lower its suicide rate, that doesn't mean it's abnormally high and you have yet to show a dataset where Japan is higher than the US.

1. Literally the one you posted did just that.
2. Japan's suicide rate is getting worse
3. Japan's student/youth suicide is the worst it has ever been and is the leading cause of 19-35 year olds
4. The US also having a problem with suicide is not a defense of Japan's massive abnormally high suicide rate.

Why are you ignoring this?

ssjevot posted...

I am curious if you think everyone here is overworking themselves to bad health than how are Japanese people the longest living in the world and why doesn't the data show Japanese working more hours than Americans who apparently aren't?

It does. You ignored it and said the data doesn't count for some reason.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/643765/japan-monthly-working-hours/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_work_environment
https://japantoday.com/category/crime/illegal-amounts-of-overtime-going-on-at-37-percent-of-japanese-companies-in-government-inspections
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/01/japan-has-some-of-the-longest-working-hours-in-the-world-its-trying-to-change.html

And Japan has the oldest population in the world because it has the best healthcare in the world for dealing with elderly people. In fact that's another problem. It's 65+ age range is gigantic, it';s deathrate is higher than it's birth, so much of it's healthcare and infastucture is set on helping the elderly, it has barely any immigration and so the slack falls onto the overworked and too small workforce to keep the country afloat.

This has already destroyed small towns and villages across the nation and is arguably the biggest problem facing Japan in the long term future. And one of the root causes of the high suicide and overwork rate.... Which you claim doesn't exist.

I mean you just not addressing the people working 150+ hours overtime a month and the highest ever rates of student suicide and 19-35 year old leading causes of death to be suicide just to go "Well Murica has problems too" is a really really really bad look.

How can you not see that? You're not defending Japan by doing that, you're just hurting vulnrable people by downplaying it

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darkmaian23 posted...

What percentage is "many"? Everything I've heard about Japan and sex suggests they are actually fairly conservative socially. I find this a shocking claim.

Also, in terms of being socially conservative, I had a really bad experience with a Japanese language instructor. I'm in a wheelchair, and she talked to me like a child, pretended I wasn't there when I didn't drop the class, and actually asked if the wheelchair she saw belonged to someone in the class, in a tone like "they let one of those in here?!". When I was in high school, the lone Japanese exchange student we had took one look at my wheelchair and would never speak to me.

I know, a sample size of two isn't huge, but it was two totally unrelated people displaying the same negative behavior was kind of alarming being the person the receiving end.

Japan being conservative toward sex is a really, really weird stereotype to be honest. I'm used to hearing the opposite from my Chinese relatives where everyone here is some kind of sex crazed deviant (actually that might be closer to the truth). I think the conservative values you are thinking of that many in Japan have are being mixed with American conservative values. The sex industry here is so vast and out in the open.

I think a lot needs to be done to address disabilities here. On paper everything is good and people follow the accessibility laws for seeing, hearing, and mobility disabilities, but the attitudes can be very bad. There is a lot of push by government to promote better attitudes toward people with disabilities, but it's hard to say how well it's working. You see a lot of YouTube comments, etc. on stuff like this by the right wing trolls basically calling it the equivalent of "SJW" stuff. It's hard to know what actual attitudes of most of the public is, because outside anonymous online comments most people are scared to say anything negative in public. It's how you end up with over 90% of Japan having a negative opinion towards China but people only ever say positive things about it around my family. Micro-aggressions (like you mentioned) are usually the best guess you get at how people really feel.

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randy_123r posted...

I'm waiting for the answer to this

#13

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Literally the one you posted did just that.
Japan's suicide rate is getting worse
Japan's student/youth suicide is the worst it has ever been and is the leading cause of 19-35 year olds
The US also having a problem with suicide is not a defense of Japan's massive abnormally high suicide rate.

Why are you ignoring this?

Because you aren't posting any evidence of that, you're just saying it. Shit your last post had you posting yet another source showing the US had a higher rate and you still can't provide any indicating otherwise. I already posted the Wikipedia data and people can look for themselves. You are just making shit up and expecting me to argue with you in good faith. Again you literally just posted a dataset showing the US has a higher suicide rate, just posted the Japan data and then claimed it was higher (I guess hoping no one would check or worse just assuming the US was lower without bothering to look).

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Literally right in front of the wikipedia table UR tried to cite

In this list various sources from various years are included, mixing plain crude rates with age-adjusted rates and estimated rates, so cross-national comparability is somewhat skewed.

Meanwhile *every other* source on the page shows Japan lower than the US lmao.

Interesting though that Japan *was* significantly higher about 20 years ago, but while they have been trending downwards for the last two decades, the US rate has been steadily increasing.

We're doing something very wrong over here. <_<

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Kim_Seong-a posted...

Literally right in front of the wikipedia table UR tried to cite

Meanwhile *every other* source on the page shows Japan lower than the US lmao.

Interesting though that Japan *was* significantly higher about 20 years ago, but while they have been trending downwards for the last two decades, the US rate has been steadily increasing.

We're doing something very wrong over here. <_<

Japan is trying. 4 day work week makes a lot of sense and I hope it takes off. Inspections of workplace abuse from the government is a good idea and there's needs to be more of it and less of people like ssjevot ignoring it,

US takes a "deny reality" approach to it's problems. Trumpers and GOP at worst see suicide as "decreasing the surplus weak popuation" and at best just ignore it flat out.

Although that being said It;s worth repeating that:

While the overrall rate is declining in Japan. A lot of that is older people. Suicide is the highest cause of death for The 19-35 age range and student suicide in Japan is the worst it;s ever been.

Which is not a good sign for the future even if overall figures drop. The work culture and immigration policy is totally unsustainable.

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Kim_Seong-a posted...

Literally right in front of the wikipedia table UR tried to cite

Meanwhile *every other* source on the page shows Japan lower than the US lmao.

Interesting though that Japan *was* significantly higher about 20 years ago, but while they have been trending downwards for the last two decades, the US rate has been steadily increasing.

We're doing something very wrong over here. <_<

That's how the stereotype was born. In the past it was usually high. Some of the data posted shows the trendlines which are all going down. UR says it is increasing, which is only true if you count the slight uptick during the pandemic. It's funny how we got here from me just saying stereotypes are a poor explanation of the workplace hookup data, but here we are.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Japan is trying. 4 day work week makes a lot of sense and I hope it takes off. Inspections of workplace abuse from the government is a good idea and there's needs to be more of it and less of people like ssjevot ignoring it,

Lol, that 4 day work week is just a government suggestion (a lot of stuff gets suggested by the government to companies here, some catches on, some doesn't), not a law, and me pointing out the objective fact the US works more hours isn't ignoring anything. It's you refusing to face the reality.that your outdated stereotypes don't apply anymore.

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ssjevot posted...

That's how the stereotype was born. In the past it was usually high. Some of the data posted shows the trendlines which are all going down. UR says it is increasing, which is only true if you count the slight uptick during the pandemic. It's funny how we got here from me just saying stereotypes are a poor explanation of the workplace hookup data, but here we are

You're lying again.

I said the overall rate increased SINCE 2019. Which is obviously covid related but still true.

And Suicide is the highest cause of death for The 19-35 age range and student suicide in Japan is the worst it;s ever been. Which is true and somethng you continue to ignore because you think ragging on the US is a defense of it.... somehow.

I never denied that the general trend of suicide in Japan has been going down for decades and even mentioned it myself. That doesn't change that the suicide and overworking problems still exist. Going "Well the businsesses illegally pushing too much overtime was only 37% this time. That's the lowest number ever so therefore it's fine and not a problem." is crazy. Ignoring the people working 150 hours of unpaid overtime a month is crazy.

Things are better than there were on the 1960s. I think TV and the Internet played a big part in that. Kinda hard to justify what's happening in Japan when you see the rest of the world every day being fine without the same problems.

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Literally every single dataset in this topic comparing the two in this topic, including the one you posted, shows the US is higher, and you have the audacity to claim I am lying?

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ssjevot posted...

Lol, that 4 day work week is just a government suggestion (a lot of stuff gets suggested by the government to companies here, some catches on, some doesn't), not a law, and me pointing out the objective fact the US works more hours isn't ignoring anything. It's you refusing to face the reality.that your outdated stereotypes don't apply anymore.

I didn't say it was a law.

And it's pathetic that you're acussing me of not facing reality after you ignored your own data and ignored Suicide is the highest cause of death for The 19-35 age range and student suicide in Japan being the worst ever recorded and ignored proven cases of immense illegal overtime.

You're such a hypocrite and a liar.

I have ignored nothing. I never pretended that there isn't Trouble In America. Some dude even wrote a song about it.

You however act like Trumpers talking about election results. You just ignore every fact you dislike and think attacking other people/places is a valid defense of.... something... When it's totally irrelevant.

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tremain07 posted...

Nope, through it's probably because I'm an idiot who can't read when someone is hitting on me and because of a slew of personal self value issues and complete fear at intimine relationships

Oh, you don't need to worry about it, Johnny. Nobody ever hits on you.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Both suicide and overworking are far worse in Japan than the US and there is a lot of cultural stigma surrounding work ethic and expectations of the working man that aren't as prevelant in the US.

UnfairRepresent posted...

You're such a hypocrite and a liar.

I have ignored nothing. I never pretended that there isn't Trouble In America.

I'll let people judge for themselves who the hypocrite and liar is here.

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