Current Events > Lol I hate Walt. *Breaking Bad spoilers*

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codey posted...

You keep saying there's a difference between authorial intent and execution, but while that might be true in some cases it's not really the case here. Just because you're more interested in other aspects of the show doesn't mean that the very blatant, obvious theme of moral degradation isn't there.

And you really can't be so dense as to be confused as to why people discuss the moral of a well written character like Walt, because his transformation from meek science teacher to drug kingpin is the entire story of the series. Saying things like that makes you seem like one of those people that think Moby Dick is about nothing more than a whale hunt or Starship Troopers is about shooting bugs, not fascism.

I tend not to view TV show characters so much in a moral sense and I also made comparisons to the Sopranos.

Sweet so the show is about Walter

And guess what, Walter dies a better person than Gus, Mike, and everybody in the Mexican drug cartel

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Low bar.

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Lol I always forget that my hometown gets mentioned in Breaking Bad in a throwaway line

Some nowhere city in the middle of Ontario lol

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Skylar's biggest crime was a dry handjob on Walt's birthday.

TommyG663513 posted...

I tend not to view TV show characters so much in a moral sense and I also made comparisons to the Sopranos.

Sweet so the show is about Walter

And guess what, Walter dies a better person than Gus, Mike, and everybody in the Mexican drug cartel

Yes you've said repeatedly that you don't think about the morals of a character when the show is about said character's morals, we get that. But again, if you can't think deeper than surface level plots that's on you. It doesn't make it odd that people talking about a show a decade after it aired delve a little deeper than that, and the morality of the characters in the show isn't even a deep concept.

And yes, lots of characters in the show are just as if not more morally bankrupt than Walt, but Walt is the one we spend time with and witness him degrade into something else, so of course talking about his morals is more interesting than talking about those of Tuco or Gus. Glad you brought up Mike, though, because he's a complex character that's a lot of fun to discuss, and there's a reason they brought him back in Better Call Saul to expand on him.


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"Your phone, did you bring it?"
"Which one?"

God dammit Walt

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Walt having a meltdown about the plane disaster in front of the whole school is some primo cringe

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This topic has me seriously considering a rewatch.

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codey posted...

Yes you've said repeatedly that you don't think about the morals of a character when the show is about said character's morals, we get that. But again, if you can't think deeper than surface level plots that's on you. It doesn't make it odd that people talking about a show a decade after it aired delve a little deeper than that, and the morality of the characters in the show isn't even a deep concept.

And yes, lots of characters in the show are just as if not more morally bankrupt than Walt, but Walt is the one we spend time with and witness him degrade into something else, so of course talking about his morals is more interesting than talking about those of Tuco or Gus. Glad you brought up Mike, though, because he's a complex character that's a lot of fun to discuss, and there's a reason they brought him back in Better Call Saul to expand on him.

Stopped reading after you said I can't think deeper than surface level plots

If you aren't going to make a sincere attempt to understand what I said then that is the point when I stopped reading your post. Not going to explain myself again for someone who has repeatedly shown no willingness to try and understand what I am saying.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Stopped reading after you said I can't think deeper than surface level plots

If you aren't going to make a sincere attempt to understand what I said then that is the point when I stopped reading your post. Not going to explain myself again for someone who has repeatedly shown no willingness to try and understand what I am saying.

When all you can is that you find it odd that people are discussing a character's morals when said character isn't real, your "point" isn't really worth understanding.

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Skylar cooking the books for Ted, cheating on Walt by fucking Ted, and giving a shitty dry hand job with zero fucks given on Walts birthday are reasons to not like Skylar. Her cheating is a valid reason to hate her, Walt should have out a hit out on her for that betrayal.

Walts turning point was when he let Jesses girlfriend die choking on her own vomit. He even goes to help for a second before he chooses to not only let her die but watches it almost with glee.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

Her cheating is a valid reason to hate her, Walt should have out a hit out on her for that betrayal.

I have to question if people who say things like this even watched the show or if they were just listening to what their friends said about it
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

Her cheating is a valid reason to hate her, Walt should have out a hit out on her for that betrayal

It says a lot about someone if they think murder is an acceptable response to a partner sleeping with someone else during a period where you're separated/divorcing

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Doom_Art posted...

It says a lot about someone if they think murder is an acceptable response to a partner sleeping with someone else during a period where you're separated/divorcing

Yeah like, I'm pretty sure he didn't even know that they were separated and she was filing for divorce before that happened
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TommyG663513 posted...

I very rarely see people judge the show in moral terms in a fair way for that matter. Walt at his absolute worst was still a better person than every single Mexican drug cartel person, Gus, Mike, and probably Lydia too.

Mike was an especially bad person, but people give him a pass due to his likability. Mike was a hitman for hire who was just great at being a henchman.

Walter literally poisoned a child to emotionally manipulate his partner, just to save his own ass. Not to mention letting Jane die for entirely selfish reasons. He also sold Jesse into actual slavery.

Walt's a colossal piece of shit who's willing to throw anybody under the bus just to avoid facing the consequences of his own actions. At the very least, Gus is fairly reasonable unless you cross him or fuck him over. And if I can remember correctly, Mike only ever killed other violent criminals.

The only people who I think are objectively more morally depraved than Walt are the cartel members and the Neo-Nazis. Gus is a grey area because he treats his subordinates well, but is far more ruthless when he gets his hands dirty.

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codey posted...

When all you can is that you find it odd that people are discussing a character's morals when said character isn't real, your "point" isn't really worth understanding.

There is a lot more to my point, but you just want to argue with a straw man so....

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Walter literally poisoned a child to emotionally manipulate his partner, just to save his own ass. Not to mention letting Jane die for entirely selfish reasons. He also sold Jesse into actual slavery.

Walt's a colossal piece of shit who's willing to throw anybody under the bus just to avoid facing the consequences of his own actions. At the very least, Gus is fairly reasonable unless you cross him or fuck him over. And if I can remember correctly, Mike only ever killed other violent criminals.

The only people who I think are objectively more morally depraved than Walt are the cartel members and the Neo-Nazis. Gus is a grey area because he treats his subordinates well, but is far more ruthless when he gets his hands dirty.

No Gus and Mike are both way worse. No doubt that Walt isn't a great person though.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Walter literally poisoned a child to emotionally manipulate his partner, just to save his own ass.

Not that I am by any means supporting the poisoning of a child but Jesse should have been on his side to begin with. It was actually Jesse that put him in that situation. Walt killed the drug dealers so Jesse wouldn't which in turn caused the issues between Gus and Walt. A lot of trouble was caused by Jesse just wanting to be a good person.

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TommyG663513 posted...

No Gus and Mike are both way worse. No doubt that Walt isn't a great person though.

You literally offered no argument. Just said "no ur wrong"

This is probably part of the reason nobody is taking you seriously
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TommyG663513 posted...

There is a lot more to my point, but you just want to argue with a straw man so....

I mean...is that not what you said...?

TommyG663513 posted...

I'm always very confused by people who think of these shows in terms of the morals applied to real life. Like talking about what a terrible person Walt is, but that is the thing. Walt is not a person, he is a character on a show. He says and does things, because writers write his lines, the director directs the actors and Bryan Cranston ultimately brings this character to life.

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Antbregante posted...

Not that I am by any means supporting the poisoning of a child but Jesse should have been on his side to begin with. It was actually Jesse that put him in that situation. Walt killed the drug dealers so Jesse wouldn't which in turn caused the issues between Gus and Walt. A lot of trouble was caused by Jesse just wanting to be a good person.

Jesse put him in that situation? Lol. No. What led to that situation was Walt getting pissed at Jesse for not killing Gus when he had the chance.
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Revnir posted...

Jesse was so annoying. Walt must've felt like a babysitter at times

BITCH!

*snivels in corner*

One_Day_Remains posted...

You literally offered no argument. Just said "no ur wrong"

This is probably part of the reason nobody is taking you seriously

Because it is wrong. You're comparing career criminals to a guy who was in it for like a year and a half maybe.

It isn't anywhere near a reasonable position to have. People really overstate how bad of a person Walt is and how not bad other people are.

Mike and Gus were two cold blooded killers. They were that way we'll before the show started. It is silly to defend them by saying they have a moral code when Walt does too.

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just started watching this series now on season 2 episode 4 or 5, and yeah i cant help but notice that walt seems like a sociopath
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I mean...is that not what you said...?

Did you not understand what I said?

I'm explaining the concept of author intention versus execution. The show wants morals front and center, but the world of BB can be very cartoony and unrealistic.

Also, I said way more than in that one post...

I very strongly disagree with anyone who would in any way say Gus and Mike are better people than Walt. I feel this is generally a problem with the show that Walt never ever really comes close to the levels of depravity of those he encounters in the criminal underworld. I would say that is the big failing of the show.

Mr Chips to Scarface my ass. Walt was never ever Mr Chips and he never came anywhere close to Scarface.

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Dude please stop lol

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One_Day_Remains posted...

Jesse put him in that situation? Lol. No. What led to that situation was Walt getting pissed at Jesse for not killing Gus when he had the chance.

Quite frankly, there are events prior to what you are saying too. We can go on for a little while here....

The reality is that if Walt didn't kill those drug dealers right then in front of Jesse then Jesse was going to die.

A lot of people tend to frame Walt's actions as if he is the only character involved and he isn't being influenced by anybody else. Walt gets involved in the game, but he is on the field playing against other criminals.

Like anytime someone brings up "he poisoned a child" as if he did that for fun and it wasn't at all a successful attempt at saving his own skin. Kid ended up being fine though. Can't say the same for the countless people Mike killed just because someone paid him money to do it.

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Doom_Art posted...

Dude please stop lol

You created a topic about how much you hate Walt. Defend your position or don't post.


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lmao @ everyone in this topic talking about fictional people like they really exist

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TommyG663513 posted...

You created a topic about how much you hate Walt. Defend your position or don't post.

I'm just talking about a show I'm rewatching lol

Not everything needs to be a back and forth with dozens of posts consisting of several paragraphs each

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LArcEnCieIX posted...

lmao @ everyone in this topic talking about fictional people like they really exist

That is kind of the thing with shows to keep in mind. Writers and directors are not flawless and can muddle the messaging despite what their intentions may be. Walt isn't a person. He's a character.

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Doom_Art posted...

I'm just talking about a show I'm rewatching lol

Not everything needs to be a back and forth with dozens of posts consisting of several paragraphs each

Well I have fun doing that. Sounds like it isn't for you though.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Walt isn't a person. He's a character.

I think we're all aware the characters on this TV show are fictional lol

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Doom_Art posted...

I think we're all aware the characters on this TV show are fictional lol

I'm not so sure based on the way many have posted about him including yourself.

Seems fair to remind people of this.

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Lol I'm going to be charitable and assume you aren't dumb enough to think that everyone actually thinks these characters are real

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At best, this dude has twisted the "it's not immoral, it's fiction" argument for depraved porn/violent video games into an entire view of all fictional works.

Sometimes the point of fiction is to reflect on morals by generating stories about characters put into situations that force them into moral decision making! Jesus fucking christ, it's not complicated.

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

At best, this dude has twisted the "it's not immoral, it's fiction" argument for depraved porn/violent video games into an entire view of all fictional works.

Sometimes the point of fiction is to reflect on morals by generating stories about characters put into situations that force them into moral decision making! Jesus fucking christ, it's not complicated.

I never said it isn't immoral

I said I find it odd just how much people focus on the morals of characters in this show. I mostly say this for both Breaking Bad and the Sopranos two shows which go out of their way to make everyone on the show look bad to varying degrees.

There are other themes present all throughout the show that I felt were better executed and the moral play was just one that I never bought into all that much.

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Doom_Art posted...

Lol I'm going to be charitable and assume you aren't dumb enough to think that everyone actually thinks these characters are real

You've been a very rude and condescending person in your posts directed towards me

Because..... You don't like my opinions on a TV show...

Ok then

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TommyG663513 posted...

I never said it isn't immoral

I said I find it odd just how much people focus on the morals of characters in this show. I mostly say this for both Breaking Bad and the Sopranos two shows which go out of their way to make everyone on the show look bad to varying degrees.

There are other themes present all throughout the show that I felt were better executed and the moral play was just one that I never bought into all that much.

Okay, and how does "they're fictional characters, not real life!" play into that argument? Cuz you've said it a bunch of times now.

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TommyG663513 posted...

You've been a very rude and condescending person in your posts directed towards me

You're acting quite silly so this is warranted

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Doom_Art posted...

You're acting quite silly so this is warranted

not at all, as long he isnt being rude or insulting to someone, then being rude and condescending is never warranted, sorry

Doom_Art posted...

You're acting quite silly so this is warranted

No it is not warranted. I've been respectful back towards you despite you being rude towards me.

Again, all because you don't like my opinions on a TV show. That is how you justify your rude behavior. We are real people unlike the characters we are talking about and this is how you choose to behave.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Quite frankly, there are events prior to what you are saying too. We can go on for a little while here....

The reality is that if Walt didn't kill those drug dealers right then in front of Jesse then Jesse was going to die.

Irrelevant.

What literally led to Brock's poisoning was the split between Walt and Jesse which Walt himself caused.

You clearly don't understand how cause and effect works, which is especially strange because they teach you that in the second grade
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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

Okay, and how does "they're fictional characters, not real life!" play into that argument? Cuz you've said it a bunch of times now.

Quite frankly, I've types up so many paragraphs of text ITT that if you haven't gotten the point by now then I doubt you are making a good faith attempt at doing so.

A lot of people ITT are treating analyzing art like it is a black and white thing. I said I found it odd how much people focus on the morality of the characters to the detriment of other factors. People got mad about that and have made numerous attempts to insult me over it. Please act with a little bit of perspective.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Quite frankly, I've types up so many paragraphs of text ITT that if you haven't gotten the point by now then I doubt you are making a good faith attempt at doing so.

A lot of people ITT are treating analyzing art like it is a black and white thing. I said I found it odd how much people focus on the morality of the characters to the detriment of other factors. People got mad about that and have made numerous attempts to insult me over it. Please act with a little bit of perspective.

I've read them, it's clear that you mean "fictional characters don't need to be judged on the same moral playing field because they're not real". I just want you to say it, because you responded to my post like this wasn't your point.

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One_Day_Remains posted...

Irrelevant.

What literally led to Brock's poisoning was the split between Walt and Jesse which Walt himself caused.

You clearly don't understand how cause and effect works, which is especially strange because they teach you that in the second grade

Yes and Jesse isn't at all blameless in that exchange. Walt tried to convince him not to kill those drug dealers which would have resulted in his own death. You don't get to handwave Jesse's involvement, because Walt did a bunch of bad stuff.

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WeeWeiWiiWie posted...

I've read them, it's clear that you mean "fictional characters don't need to be judged on the same moral playing field because they're not real". I just want you to say it, because you responded to my post like this wasn't your point.

That isn't what I said. Not responding to another one of your posts, because you've only ever tried to hammer a straw man.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Yes and Jesse isn't at all blameless in that exchange. Walt tried to convince him not to kill those drug dealers which would have resulted in his own death. You don't get to handwave Jesse's involvement, because Walt did a bunch of bad stuff.

The drug dealers have literally nothing to do with the split. Did you even watch the show? Like actually watch it from start to finish? Do you understand how sequence of events work?

Jesse met with Gus at Gus's house. Walt bugged Jesse's car. He wanted Jesse to kill Gus and Jesse didn't do it. They get into a fight, Jesse tells Walt to get the fuck out of his house. Gus threatens to murder Hank and if Walt gets involved, he will murder Walt's immediate family. He concocts a plan to emotionally manipulate Jesse to get back on his side.

You're bringing up some random ass event from season 3 that has nothing to do with any of that. That's why I'm asking if you understand how cause and effect works
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Apologies to anyone who was in a discussion with him.

I just got real tired of that.

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