Current Events > Transgender victory over Hobby Lobby could have national impact

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Scorsese2002 08/18/21 2:27:31 PM #1:	https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/transgender-victory-hobby-lobby-national-impact-rcna1704 An appellate court deciding Hobby Lobby violated Illinois anti-discrimination law by denying a transgender employee access to the womens restroom could have nationwide implications, experts say. Meggan Sommerville, a trans woman who has worked at a Hobby Lobby location in Aurora for more than 20 years, has been denied access to the stores womens room since transitioning at work in 2010. As a result, she has had anxiety and recurring nightmares and has been forced to limit her fluid intake, according to filings. On Friday, the Illinois 2nd District Appellate Court upheld a lower court decision that determined the crafts chain violated the Illinois Human Rights Act both as an employer and as a place of public accommodation. Sommerville is female, just like the women who are permitted to use the womens bathroom, the three-judge panel said in its decision. The only reason that Sommerville is barred from using the womens bathroom is that she is a transgender woman. The ruling is one of first impression, meaning it presents a legal issue that has never been decided in the courts jurisdiction. They stuck to the law, Sommerville, 51, told Forbes. This is a precedent-setting case in Illinois, because the Human Rights Act has never been tested in this way in Illinois, and actually in the country. Jim Bennett, director of the Illinois Department of Human Rights, said the decision underscored that trans people in the state have strong protection from discrimination. Ms. Sommervilles experience of discrimination is certainly not unique, as too many of our transgender friends and neighbors continue to face acts of discrimination and hate, Bennett said in a statement. With this decision, the IDHR has been given a clear path to enforce the Commissions orders concerning the rights of trans persons. Jacob Meister, who represented Sommerville, went further, telling Bloomberg Law the decision had national implications and will start the process of courts around the country addressing the issue of bathroom access. Camilla Taylor, litigation director for the LGBTQ legal advocacy group Lambda Legal, agrees the ruling could have a broad impact in a variety of areas and jurisdictions. I think other states will generally be able cite this ruling, because of how sweeping it is, Taylor said. This is not limited to employment. This is the public policy of the state of Illinois. The court went out of its way to knock down every justification for treating trans people differently in public. It made it clear theres no justification. While the Supreme Courts 2020 decision in Bostock v. Clayton County, Georgia, determined discrimination based on sex includes sexual orientation and gender identity, it didnt address access to sex-segregated facilities, services or sports teams. You cant argue its not sex discrimination to deny someone access to a bathroom or a locker room, Taylor said. Not only could the ruling be used by opponents of so-called bathroom bills, she added, it could be relevant to the legal fight against legislation prohibiting transgender girls from playing on female sports teams. At least nine states have enacted such sports bans, according to the Movement Advancement Project. It will have big ramifications in all kinds of aspects of life in education, in business, in gyms and sports, Taylor said. Its indicative of applying nondiscrimination principles to sex-segregated areas. It makes clear that gender identity determines sex. Hobby Lobby could appeal the ruling to the Illinois Supreme Court and theoretically take it all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. Attorney Whitman Brisky, who represented the company, did not immediately reply to a request for comment. The 2021 legislative session has set a record for anti-transgender bills, according the Human Rights Campaign, an LGBTQ advocacy group: Nearly 70 measures were introduced in at least 30 states that would prohibit trans youth from participating in sports consistent with their gender identity, and at least 15 bills were introduced that would bar trans people from accessing the restrooms or locker rooms that align with their gender identity. The judicial branch, however, has been more supportive: In addition to Bostock, the Supreme Court in June declined to review a 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals decision that ruled transgender student Gavin Grimm had a constitutional right to use the boys restroom at his Virginia school. The lower court ruled that policies barring transgender students from restrooms that match their gender identity violate the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment and Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972. --- https://www.twitch.tv/dtake86 <cite>Scorsese2002 posted [p:957204541] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/transgender-victory-hobby-lobby-national-impact-rcna1704 An appellate court deciding Hobby Lobby violated Illinois anti-discrimination law by denying a transgender employee access to the womens restroom could have nationwide implications, experts say. Meggan Sommerville, a trans woman who has worked at a Hobby Lobby location in Aurora for more than 20 years, has been denied access to the stores womens room since transitioning at work in 2010. As a result, she has had anxiety and recurring nightmares and has been forced to limit her fluid intake, according to filings. On Friday, the Illinois 2nd District Appellate Court upheld a lower court decision that determined the crafts chain violated the Illinois Human Rights Act both as an employer and as a place of public accommodation. Sommerville is female, just like the women who are permitted to use the womens bathroom, the three-judge panel said in its decision. The only reason that Sommerville is barred from using the womens bathroom is that she is a transgender woman. The ruling is one of first impression, meaning it presents a legal issue that has never been decided in the courts jurisdiction. They stuck to the law, Sommerville, 51, told Forbes. This is a precedent-setting case in Illinois, because the Human Rights Act has never been tested in this way in Illinois, and actually in the country. Jim Bennett, director of the Illinois Department of Human Rights, said the decision underscored that trans people in the state have strong protection from discrimination. Ms. Sommervilles experience of discrimination is certainly not unique, as too many of our transgender friends and neighbors continue to face acts of discrimination and hate, Bennett said in a statement. With this decision, the IDHR has been given a clear path to enforce the Commissions orders concerning the rights of trans persons. Jacob Meister, who represented Sommerville, went further, telling Bloomberg Law the decision had national implications and will start the process of courts around the country addressing the issue of bathroom access. Camilla Taylor, litigation director for the LGBTQ legal advocacy group Lambda Legal, agrees the ruling could have a broad impact in a variety of areas and jurisdictions. I think other states will generally be able cite this ruling, because of how sweeping it is, Taylor said. This is not limited to employment. This is the public policy of the state of Illinois. The court went out of its way to knock down every justification for treating trans people differently in public. It made it clear theres no justification. While the Supreme Courts 2020 decision in Bostock v. Clayton County, Georgia, determined discrimination based on sex includes sexual orientation and gender identity, it didnt address access to sex-segregated facilities, services or sports teams. You cant argue its not sex discrimination to deny someone access to a bathroom or a locker room, Taylor said. Not only could the ruling be used by opponents of so-called bathroom bills, she added, it could be relevant to the legal fight against legislation prohibiting transgender girls from playing on female sports teams. At least nine states have enacted such sports bans, according to the Movement Advancement Project. It will have big ramifications in all kinds of aspects of life in education, in business, in gyms and sports, Taylor said. Its indicative of applying nondiscrimination principles to sex-segregated areas. It makes clear that gender identity determines sex. Hobby Lobby could appeal the ruling to the Illinois Supreme Court and theoretically take it all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. Attorney Whitman Brisky, who represented the company, did not immediately reply to a request for comment. The 2021 legislative session has set a record for anti-transgender bills, according the Human Rights Campaign, an LGBTQ advocacy group: Nearly 70 measures were introduced in at least 30 states that would prohibit trans youth from participating in sports consistent with their gender identity, and at least 15 bills were introduced that would bar trans people from accessing the restrooms or locker rooms that align with their gender identity. The judicial branch, however, has been more supportive: In addition to Bostock, the Supreme Court in June declined to review a 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals decision that ruled transgender student Gavin Grimm had a constitutional right to use the boys restroom at his Virginia school. The lower court ruled that policies barring transgender students from restrooms that match their gender identity violate the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment and Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 08/18/21 2:29:06 PM #2:	What sort of impact? --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom https://imgur.com/0EJvC4l <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:957204593] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>What sort of impact? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 08/18/21 2:48:27 PM #3:	Nice. Fuck Hobby Lobby and its lunatic owners <cite>Axiom posted [p:957205149] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Nice. Fuck Hobby Lobby and its lunatic owners </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 08/18/21 2:49:47 PM #4:	Our local mall is getting a shitty ass hobby lobby. Huge storefront, could be anythingthey decided on hobby lobby. Fuckin hate it. --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:957205187] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Our local mall is getting a shitty ass hobby lobby. Huge storefront, could be anythingthey decided on hobby lobby. Fuckin hate it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IMNOTRAGED 08/18/21 2:56:26 PM #5:	Axiom posted... Fuck Hobby Lobby and its lunatic owners --- https://imgur.com/kkm3QaD "Be ruthless with systems; be kind to people." <cite>IMNOTRAGED posted [p:957205397] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Axiom posted... </cite> <quote>Fuck Hobby Lobby and its lunatic owners</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XxAxem_BlackxX 08/18/21 2:56:46 PM #6:	They can appeal the ruling and I hope they do. <cite>XxAxem_BlackxX posted [p:957205404] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>They can appeal the ruling and I hope they do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heartomaton 08/18/21 3:00:05 PM #7:	XxAxem_BlackxX posted... They can appeal the ruling and I hope they do. Explain. --- https://www.youtube.com/user/Heartomaton Heartomaton for President 2028. <cite>Heartomaton posted [p:957205495] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>XxAxem_BlackxX posted... </cite> <quote>They can appeal the ruling and I hope they do.</quote> Explain. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 08/18/21 3:03:39 PM #8:	Good, transgender women are women and deserve to have our rights as such protected and enshrined in national law. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:957205600] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Good, transgender women are women and deserve to have our rights as such protected and enshrined in national law. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumble 08/18/21 3:06:18 PM #9:	XxAxem_BlackxX posted... They can appeal the ruling and I hope they do. I mean, that could work out well. If the verdict gets upheld at a higher court level, that's even more meaningful in terms of wider effects. --- To Trumble, or not to Trumble, that is the question. <cite>Trumble posted [p:957205670] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>XxAxem_BlackxX posted... </cite> <quote>They can appeal the ruling and I hope they do.</quote>I mean, that could work out well. If the verdict gets upheld at a higher court level, that's even more meaningful in terms of wider effects. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XxAxem_BlackxX 08/18/21 3:12:26 PM #10:	Trumble posted... I mean, that could work out well. If the verdict gets upheld at a higher court level, that's even more meaningful in terms of wider effects. That's your idea of it working out well? It's definitely not mine. I would want the verdict to be overturned, not upheld. <cite>XxAxem_BlackxX posted [p:957205824] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Trumble posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, that could work out well. If the verdict gets upheld at a higher court level, that's even more meaningful in terms of wider effects.</quote> That's your idea of it working out well? It's definitely not mine. I would want the verdict to be overturned, not upheld. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heartomaton 08/18/21 3:12:57 PM #11:	XxAxem_BlackxX posted... That's your idea of it working out well? It's definitely not mine. I would want the verdict to be overturned, not upheld. Heartomaton posted... Explain. --- https://www.youtube.com/user/Heartomaton Heartomaton for President 2028. <cite>Heartomaton posted [p:957205844] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>XxAxem_BlackxX posted... </cite> <quote>That's your idea of it working out well? It's definitely not mine. I would want the verdict to be overturned, not upheld.</quote> Heartomaton posted... </cite> <quote>Explain.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRadiant 08/18/21 3:14:08 PM #12:	XxAxem_BlackxX posted... That's your idea of it working out well? It's definitely not mine. I would want the verdict to be overturned, not upheld. See you jumped on the alt for this one --- She/her <cite>TheRadiant posted [p:957205885] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>XxAxem_BlackxX posted... </cite> <quote>That's your idea of it working out well? It's definitely not mine. I would want the verdict to be overturned, not upheld.</quote>See you jumped on the alt for this one </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 08/18/21 3:16:28 PM #13:	Y'all already know why axem wants it overturned. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) 12-18-19 and 01-13-21: Times Donald Trump has officially been impeached. <cite>Umbreon posted [p:957205975] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Y'all already know why axem wants it overturned. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Weezy_Tha_Don 08/18/21 3:17:03 PM #14:	XxAxem_BlackxX posted... That's your idea of it working out well? It's definitely not mine. I would want the verdict to be overturned, not upheld. ah, so youre just a bigot then is what youre saying? --- https://imgur.com/hwZyGuA - courtesy of the homie United_World I speak my mind, cause biting my tongue hurts. <cite>Weezy_Tha_Don posted [p:957206000] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>XxAxem_BlackxX posted... </cite> <quote>That's your idea of it working out well? It's definitely not mine. I would want the verdict to be overturned, not upheld.</quote> ah, so youre just a bigot then is what youre saying? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/18/21 3:40:33 PM #16:	Shoulda passed the ERA when we had the chance. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:957206725] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Shoulda passed the ERA when we had the chance. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NocturneD85 08/18/21 3:45:57 PM #17:	I only go in there to look around a way. Bought only one decoration piece for myself. Other than that I always use their restroom. --- Itachi Uchiha's Liscense Plate: ULAK H8RED <cite>NocturneD85 posted [p:957206915] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>I only go in there to look around a way. Bought only one decoration piece for myself. Other than that I always use their restroom. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 08/18/21 3:56:09 PM #18:	TheRadiant posted... See you jumped on the alt for this one imagine being such a chicken shit that you can't even express a controversial opinion on gamefaqs.gamespot.com and you need to hide behind an alt. at least that dude let me know to tag him appropriately so i never take his shitty bait --- Playing: Yakuza 5 Remaster You see it your way, I'll see it mine and I'll be fine <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:957207270] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>TheRadiant posted... </cite> <quote>See you jumped on the alt for this one</quote> imagine being such a chicken shit that you can't even express a controversial opinion on gamefaqs.gamespot.com and you need to hide behind an alt. at least that dude let me know to tag him appropriately so i never take his shitty bait </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 08/18/21 4:01:38 PM #19:	Just appeal it and go back to court. --- Aussie Aussie Aussie OI OI OI! <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:957207476] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Just appeal it and go back to court. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Goatsensation 08/18/21 4:02:02 PM #20:	Very happy about this one lickitung --- Metallica da GOAT band he/him [pfizer vaccinated x2] <cite>Goatsensation posted [p:957207490] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Very happy about this one lickitung </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trappedunderice 08/18/21 4:02:03 PM #21:	https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uFaemP8bV40 <cite>trappedunderice posted [p:957207493] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uFaemP8bV40 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Bass 08/18/21 4:04:03 PM #22:	Axiom posted... Nice. Fuck Hobby Lobby and its lunatic owners --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. <cite>Master_Bass posted [p:957207568] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Axiom posted... </cite> <quote>Nice. Fuck Hobby Lobby and its lunatic owners</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gamerguymass 08/18/21 4:06:16 PM #23:	Won't this just end up in the Supreme Court and be overturned anyway? --- Now Playing: "The Hunt for the Two Missing Nintendo 64 Games" An expansion came out, but I'm still a third of the way through! <cite>Gamerguymass posted [p:957207644] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Won't this just end up in the Supreme Court and be overturned anyway? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R_Jackal 08/18/21 4:08:04 PM #24:	Man, of all the things to politicize, it's bathrooms. I understand pervy shit can happen, but most of the time I just see people tryin to go to the bathroom. Let people shit in whatever bathroom they want to shit in. <cite>R_Jackal posted [p:957207713] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Man, of all the things to politicize, it's bathrooms. I understand pervy shit can happen, but most of the time I just see people tryin to go to the bathroom. Let people shit in whatever bathroom they want to shit in. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 08/18/21 4:19:41 PM #25:	R_Jackal posted... Man, of all the things to politicize, it's bathrooms. I understand pervy shit can happen, but most of the time I just see people tryin to go to the bathroom. Let people shit in whatever bathroom they want to shit in. If you take away our ability to use the bathroom, you take away our ability to exist in public for more than a short trip to the grocery store, etc. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:957208092] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>R_Jackal posted... </cite> <quote>Man, of all the things to politicize, it's bathrooms. I understand pervy shit can happen, but most of the time I just see people tryin to go to the bathroom. Let people shit in whatever bathroom they want to shit in.</quote>If you take away our ability to use the bathroom, you take away our ability to exist in public for more than a short trip to the grocery store, etc. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaiganeer 08/18/21 4:21:39 PM #26:	Scorsese2002 posted... Sommerville is female isn't this incorrect tho? woman, sure, but she's biologically male isn't she <cite>Kaiganeer posted [p:957208153] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Scorsese2002 posted... </cite> <quote>Sommerville is female</quote>isn't this incorrect tho? woman, sure, but she's biologically male isn't she </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrToothHasYou 08/18/21 4:22:33 PM #27:	Axiom posted... Fuck Hobby Lobby and its lunatic owners --- An Injury to One is an Injury to All https://iww.org/ <cite>MrToothHasYou posted [p:957208176] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Axiom posted... </cite> <quote>Fuck Hobby Lobby and its lunatic owners</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flamer_Blue 08/18/21 4:22:54 PM #28:	Why not build a bathroom for transgender people? --- <cite>Metallix87 posted...</cite> "Nintendo is an animal" <cite>Flamer_Blue posted [p:957208200] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Why not build a bathroom for transgender people? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 08/18/21 4:25:24 PM #29:	gunplagirl posted... If you take away our ability to use the bathroom, you take away our ability to exist in public for more than a short trip to the grocery store, etc. i dont think you fully read or understood the post you replied to. did you see this part: R_Jackal posted... Let people shit in whatever bathroom they want to shit in. R_Jackal is saying people should be free to use whatever restroom they want. i'm not sure why you got defensive there. --- Playing: Yakuza 5 Remaster You see it your way, I'll see it mine and I'll be fine <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:957208282] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>If you take away our ability to use the bathroom, you take away our ability to exist in public for more than a short trip to the grocery store, etc.</quote> i dont think you fully read or understood the post you replied to. did you see this part: R_Jackal posted... </cite> <quote>Let people shit in whatever bathroom they want to shit in.</quote> R_Jackal is saying people should be free to use whatever restroom they want. i'm not sure why you got defensive there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 08/18/21 4:26:50 PM #30:	Giant_Aspirin posted... i dont think you fully read or understood the post you replied to. did you see this part: R_Jackal is saying people should be free to use whatever restroom they want. i'm not sure why you got defensive there. I wasn't disagreeing with him, I was explaining why bathrooms got politicized. It's an intentional way of preventing us from existing in public spaces. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:957208337] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Giant_Aspirin posted... </cite> <quote>i dont think you fully read or understood the post you replied to. did you see this part: R_Jackal is saying people should be free to use whatever restroom they want. i'm not sure why you got defensive there.</quote>I wasn't disagreeing with him, I was explaining why bathrooms got politicized. It's an intentional way of preventing us from existing in public spaces. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 08/18/21 4:26:51 PM #31:	Flamer_Blue posted... Why not build a bathroom for transgender people? sEpArAtE bUt eQuAl <cite>Derwood posted [p:957208339] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Flamer_Blue posted... </cite> <quote>Why not build a bathroom for transgender people?</quote> sEpArAtE bUt eQuAl </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flamer_Blue 08/18/21 4:27:14 PM #32:	Giant_Aspirin posted... i dont think you fully read or understood the post you replied to. did you see this part: R_Jackal is saying people should be free to use whatever restroom they want. i'm not sure why you got defensive there. I strongly disagree with that. Men should use men's bathroom and women should use women's bathroom. Transgender should use their own separate bathroom. --- <cite>Metallix87 posted...</cite> "Nintendo is an animal" <cite>Flamer_Blue posted [p:957208349] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Giant_Aspirin posted... </cite> <quote>i dont think you fully read or understood the post you replied to. did you see this part: R_Jackal is saying people should be free to use whatever restroom they want. i'm not sure why you got defensive there.</quote>I strongly disagree with that. Men should use men's bathroom and women should use women's bathroom. Transgender should use their own separate bathroom. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 08/18/21 4:27:44 PM #33:	Flamer_Blue posted... I strongly disagree with that. Men should use men's bathroom and women should use women's bathroom. Transgender should use their own separate bathroom. This is a shit opinion <cite>Derwood posted [p:957208365] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Flamer_Blue posted... </cite> <quote>I strongly disagree with that. Men should use men's bathroom and women should use women's bathroom. Transgender should use their own separate bathroom.</quote> This is a shit opinion </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flamer_Blue 08/18/21 4:28:12 PM #34:	Derwood posted... sEpArAtE bUt eQuAl It's a biological issue. It goes further than simple play-nice-politics. --- <cite>Metallix87 posted...</cite> "Nintendo is an animal" <cite>Flamer_Blue posted [p:957208385] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>sEpArAtE bUt eQuAl</quote>It's a biological issue. It goes further than simple play-nice-politics. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flauros 08/18/21 4:28:17 PM #35:	Were_Wyrm posted... What sort of impact? Hobby lobby is going to remove all shithouses. --- https://imgur.com/EX6Md7k https://imgur.com/X4cT0Sp https://imgur.com/A3kur0P https://imgur.com/Hj9RrC6 <cite>Flauros posted [p:957208391] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Were_Wyrm posted... </cite> <quote>What sort of impact?</quote>Hobby lobby is going to remove all shithouses. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flamer_Blue 08/18/21 4:28:58 PM #37:	Derwood posted... This is a shit opinion What will happen when a transgender man goes into a women's bathroom and rapes a real biological woman? I can already imagine the **show. --- <cite>Metallix87 posted...</cite> "Nintendo is an animal" <cite>Flamer_Blue posted [p:957208419] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Derwood posted... </cite> <quote>This is a shit opinion</quote>What will happen when a transgender man goes into a women's bathroom and rapes a real biological woman? I can already imagine the **show. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 08/18/21 4:29:11 PM #38:	Flamer_Blue posted... It's a biological issue. It goes further than simple play-nice-politics. I repeat: this is a shit opinion <cite>Derwood posted [p:957208424] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Flamer_Blue posted... </cite> <quote>It's a biological issue. It goes further than simple play-nice-politics.</quote> I repeat: this is a shit opinion </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Derwood 08/18/21 4:29:45 PM #39:	Flamer_Blue posted... What will happen when a transgender man goes into a women's bathroom and rapes a real biological woman? I can already imagine the **show. What will happen when a cis biological man goes into a women's bathroom and rapes a biological woman? <cite>Derwood posted [p:957208442] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Flamer_Blue posted... </cite> <quote>What will happen when a transgender man goes into a women's bathroom and rapes a real biological woman? I can already imagine the **show.</quote> What will happen when a cis biological man goes into a women's bathroom and rapes a biological woman? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 08/18/21 4:30:10 PM #40:	Flamer_Blue posted... It's a biological issue. It goes further than simple play-nice-politics. It's true, if a cis woman sits on a cis man's toilet seat, she will literally bleed to death. And if a cis man poops in a cis woman's toilet, the toilet will explode and can take out a skyscraper if it's enough poop. I'm being sarcastic. --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:957208454] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Flamer_Blue posted... </cite> <quote>It's a biological issue. It goes further than simple play-nice-politics.</quote>It's true, if a cis woman sits on a cis man's toilet seat, she will literally bleed to death. And if a cis man poops in a cis woman's toilet, the toilet will explode and can take out a skyscraper if it's enough poop. I'm being sarcastic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 08/18/21 4:33:50 PM #41:	Flamer_Blue posted... I strongly disagree with that. Men should use men's bathroom and women should use women's bathroom. Transgender should use their own separate bathroom. well that's like disagreeing that hats exist. you can disagree all you want, but that doesn't change the reality of things. transgender women are women so your point is invalid. Flamer_Blue posted... What will happen when a transgender man goes into a women's bathroom and rapes a real biological woman? I can already imagine the ***show. i imagine the same thing that would happen if anyone raped anyone else in a bathroom. your point is, again, invalid. honestly i dont know why im even responding to this dribble --- Playing: Yakuza 5 Remaster You see it your way, I'll see it mine and I'll be fine* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:957208569] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Flamer_Blue posted... </cite> <quote>I strongly disagree with that. Men should use men's bathroom and women should use women's bathroom. Transgender should use their own separate bathroom.</quote> well that's like disagreeing that hats exist. you can disagree all you want, but that doesn't change the reality of things. transgender women are women so your point is invalid. Flamer_Blue posted... </cite> <quote>What will happen when a transgender man goes into a women's bathroom and rapes a real biological woman? I can already imagine the ****show.</quote> i imagine the same thing that would happen if anyone raped anyone else in a bathroom. your point is, again, invalid. honestly i dont know why im even responding to this dribble </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R_Jackal 08/18/21 4:38:37 PM #42:	Flamer_Blue posted... Transgender should use their own separate bathroom. This may sound offensive because I don't think I'm eloquent enough to word it differently, so lemme apologize in advance. The whole point of being transgendered is that they are what they identify as. This is no different than making a mixed bathroom which completely defeats the point that you're trying to make. They're not make-believing or pretending, they just -are- that. People like to say shit like "Oh guys are just gonna use it as an excuse..." except for the fact the same people that would use that as an excuse to do... whatever they were planning to do probably woulda just gone ahead and done it anyway with the lame-ass "OH I MISREAD THE SIGNS" excuse. <cite>R_Jackal posted [p:957208747] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Flamer_Blue posted... </cite> <quote>Transgender should use their own separate bathroom.</quote>This may sound offensive because I don't think I'm eloquent enough to word it differently, so lemme apologize in advance. The whole point of being transgendered is that they are what they identify as. This is no different than making a mixed bathroom which completely defeats the point that you're trying to make. They're not make-believing or pretending, they just -are- that. People like to say shit like "Oh guys are just gonna use it as an excuse..." except for the fact the same people that would use that as an excuse to do... whatever they were planning to do probably woulda just gone ahead and done it anyway with the lame-ass "OH I MISREAD THE SIGNS" excuse. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 08/18/21 4:38:59 PM #43:	I've had women go into the men's bathroom because the women's bathroom was either out of order or had too long a line. ...and absolutely nothing happened because we were both just there to do our business and bother no one. What "biological issue" was supposed to occur? --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) 12-18-19 and 01-13-21: Times Donald Trump has officially been impeached. <cite>Umbreon posted [p:957208768] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>I've had women go into the men's bathroom because the women's bathroom was either out of order or had too long a line. ...and absolutely nothing happened because we were both just there to do our business and bother no one. What "biological issue" was supposed to occur? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 08/18/21 4:52:54 PM #44:	R_Jackal posted... This may sound offensive because I don't think I'm eloquent enough to word it differently, so lemme apologize in advance. The whole point of being transgendered is that they are what they identify as. This is no different than making a mixed bathroom which completely defeats the point that you're trying to make. They're not make-believing or pretending, they just -are- that. People like to say shit like "Oh guys are just gonna use it as an excuse..." except for the fact the same people that would use that as an excuse to do... whatever they were planning to do probably woulda just gone ahead and done it anyway with the lame-ass "OH I MISREAD THE SIGNS" excuse. yeah, folks like Flamer_Blue think a potential rapist is going to gear up and plan an attack, only to be thwarted by the sign on the restroom door. like that was the only thing stopping the attack from happening. "rats, i totally would have raped that woman but the sign on the bathroom prevented me from entering!!!!" like, get real, dude. --- Playing: Yakuza 5 Remaster You see it your way, I'll see it mine and I'll be fine <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:957209264] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>R_Jackal posted... </cite> <quote>This may sound offensive because I don't think I'm eloquent enough to word it differently, so lemme apologize in advance. The whole point of being transgendered is that they are what they identify as. This is no different than making a mixed bathroom which completely defeats the point that you're trying to make. They're not make-believing or pretending, they just -are- that. People like to say shit like "Oh guys are just gonna use it as an excuse..." except for the fact the same people that would use that as an excuse to do... whatever they were planning to do probably woulda just gone ahead and done it anyway with the lame-ass "OH I MISREAD THE SIGNS" excuse.</quote> yeah, folks like Flamer_Blue think a potential rapist is going to gear up and plan an attack, only to be thwarted by the sign on the restroom door. like that was the only thing stopping the attack from happening. "rats, i totally would have raped that woman but the sign on the bathroom prevented me from entering!!!!" like, get real, dude. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R_Jackal 08/18/21 4:56:23 PM #45:	Giant_Aspirin posted... yeah, folks like Flamer_Blue think a potential rapist is going to gear up and plan an attack, only to be thwarted by the sign on the restroom door. like that was the only thing stopping the attack from happening. "rats, i totally would have raped that woman but the sign on the bathroom prevented me from entering!!!!" like, get real, dude. Yeah, basically. Even if it isn't a serious as rape a sign ain't gonna deter someone that wants to peep or do other creepy shit either. If it's gonna happen and it's already illegal, it's gonna happen anyway. <cite>R_Jackal posted [p:957209390] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Giant_Aspirin posted... </cite> <quote>yeah, folks like Flamer_Blue think a potential rapist is going to gear up and plan an attack, only to be thwarted by the sign on the restroom door. like that was the only thing stopping the attack from happening. "rats, i totally would have raped that woman but the sign on the bathroom prevented me from entering!!!!" like, get real, dude.</quote>Yeah, basically. Even if it isn't a serious as rape a sign ain't gonna deter someone that wants to peep or do other creepy shit either. If it's gonna happen and it's already illegal, it's gonna happen anyway. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teep_ 08/18/21 4:56:48 PM #46:	trans rights are human rights --- post Edit: copy my sig <cite>teep_ posted [p:957209408] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>trans rights are human rights</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nfearurspecimn 08/18/21 4:57:38 PM #47:	Scorsese2002 posted... As a result, she has had anxiety and recurring nightmares and has been forced to limit her fluid intake, according to filings. oh shit that's sad :( --- Wake up. You have to wake up. currently a preta/hungry ghost Dai Grepher: I was wrong. My entire theory is incorrect. Zero Mission IS a remake of Metroid. <cite>nfearurspecimn posted [p:957209436] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Scorsese2002 posted... </cite> <quote>As a result, she has had anxiety and recurring nightmares and has been forced to limit her fluid intake, according to filings.</quote>oh shit that's sad :( </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 08/18/21 5:00:31 PM #48:	Gamerguymass posted... Won't this just end up in the Supreme Court and be overturned anyway? The current SCOTUS has been surprisingly friendly to queer issues. The article even mentions them letting a lower court ruling on this very issue favoring a transboy stand, and that was just this year. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:957209536] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Gamerguymass posted... </cite> <quote>Won't this just end up in the Supreme Court and be overturned anyway?</quote>The current SCOTUS has been surprisingly friendly to queer issues. The article even mentions them letting a lower court ruling on this very issue favoring a transboy stand, and that was just this year. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lathissamus 08/18/21 5:01:39 PM #49:	gunplagirl posted... Good, transgender women are women and deserve to have our rights as such protected and enshrined in national law. Transgender women are not women and I'm tired of this nonsense. --- https://imgur.com/olOXz6h https://imgur.com/kaFczn3 <cite>Lathissamus posted [p:957209571] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>Good, transgender women are women and deserve to have our rights as such protected and enshrined in national law.</quote>Transgender women are not women and I'm tired of this nonsense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Winrawr 08/18/21 5:03:55 PM #50:	gunplagirl posted... If you take away our ability to use the bathroom, you take away our ability to exist in public for more than a short trip to the grocery store, etc. you should probably drink less water <cite>Winrawr posted [p:957209634] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>If you take away our ability to use the bathroom, you take away our ability to exist in public for more than a short trip to the grocery store, etc.</quote>you should probably drink less water </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 08/18/21 5:05:45 PM #51:	Winrawr posted... you should probably drink less water Or she can drink water like every other human being and use the bathroom like every other human being. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) 12-18-19 and 01-13-21: Times Donald Trump has officially been impeached. <cite>Umbreon posted [p:957209684] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>Winrawr posted... </cite> <quote>you should probably drink less water</quote> Or she can drink water like every other human being and use the bathroom like every other human being. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 08/18/21 5:06:46 PM #52:	why's hobby lobby got divided bathrooms in the first place? they're not a walmart i cant see why they'd have large scale toilet facilities for the public, and if they're for workers why not just make single use bathrooms? --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:957209728] in Transgende... [t:79619934]...</cite> <quote>why's hobby lobby got divided bathrooms in the first place? they're not a walmart i cant see why they'd have large scale toilet facilities for the public, and if they're for workers why not just make single use bathrooms? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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