Board 8 > All 4 Evangelion rebuild movies are up on Prime Video

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1426033109363879938?s=19

Time to live up to my decade old promise I made to myself to wait until they were all out before I watched them

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Wow this is amazing.

Any thoughts on dub or sub? And I feel like I need to rewatch the original anime and EoE to prepare...

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All I know is the first 3 movies have been redubbed to match up with the dubbing of the 4th movie

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They got the original main cast back for the dub this time, including shockingly Amanda Winn-Lee as Rei (who wasnt in the original rebuild dubs). Its probably worth it just for that!

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Watching 1.11 now

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Oh shit.....

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So if Ive never watched anything Evangelion whats the best way to change that? I know Netflix has the original show but not sure where to go after that.

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you can watch the Rebuild movies without seeing the anime, but you'll get more out of it if you do

• Original Anime (26 episodes)
• End of Evangelion movie
• Then the 4 Rebuild movies (on Amazon they're 1.11, 2.22, 3.33 and 3.0+1.0)

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Thanks. What about the Death (True)^2 thing I see on Netflix? Is that best avoided or is there a particular spot for it?

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I think that's just a recap of the anime series

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Yeah, that's a recap of the anime. You can skip that.

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I'm a lot more excited hearing that it's the original cast.

I really dislike that Netflix dub.

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Netflix dub cast was pretty good, the issue was the script.

The upcoming blu-ray release of the series will evidently have an all new dub so I would expect the cast for this would be on that. Which is good as the original dub is very dated and the Netflix one is controversial.

All that said its best to watch the series on Netflix - until that blu-ray comes out this is the only 1080p version and I believe has better audio in addition.

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Oh yeah for sure, I don't really have issues with the VAs themselves, the voice directing was just awful.

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Watched 3.0+1.0. No spoilers, just opinions:

I would say my feelings on the Rebuild films largely align with the general fan response.

I liked 1.11.

I LOVED 2.22 and consider it possibly the best Eva entry ever.

I wasnt a fan of 3.33 and consider it possibly the worst Eva entry ever.

And I have to say.

This movie rules. It is just such an immensely satisfying conclusion to not just the Rebuilds but the entire franchise that makes good not only on 3.33 and the other two films, but it builds on so many things from all of the franchise in particular End of Evangelion. This film is effectively the rebuttal to that one while also respecting it, and it ties that line really well.

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What is the significance of the numbering here? This is some KH shit.

Lightning Strikes posted...

Watched 3.0+1.0. No spoilers, just opinions:

Well, I'm convinced. I'll watch the new one now. Eventually, at some point when I have some extra time and after I rewatch the other three. I've never been that into the Rebuilds, but I'm just glad it's not another disappointment like 3.0.
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The .11, .22, .33 are literally version numbers since they updated the films, just repetitive for stylistic purposes. The launch versions were 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0. So not KH silliness.

3.0+1.0 though is really that, its for semi-obscure thematic reasons.

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2.22 beated

oh my goddo

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3.33 beated

so many impacts

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Watched 3.0 + 1.0 - it was really cathartic. Feels weird to finally be done with this series after being in from the beginning, but I love how this wrapped up. I'll probably be thinking about this one for a long time and even now I feel like there's so much more to understand about this series.

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Watched 1.11 and 2.22 . 1 was very pretty recap of the first few episodes of the show, 2 was awesome, a really cool swerve.

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Disgusting

I've done it

I never have to see anything Evangelion ever again

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Here's a dumb question: What is Evangelion? I hear the name all the time, but I know very little about it. I gather that it's some super influential piece of media?

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it's the anime that saved anime from dying out in Japan in the mid to late 90s and made it to an intellectually viable medium

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I think that may be giving it a bit too much credit. It's a very important series and a staple of the medium, but anime would be getting along just fine without it.

But it's a very good series other than 3 third movie.

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It...is weird.

Evangelion was an anime in 1995-1996 that took the world by storm by mixing the "giant mech" genre and mixed in weird ass biblical imagery, complex family/daddy issues, and a fucked up second act of pseudoscience +to cover for a strained budget), and became an iconic franchise.

So, basically the anime equivalent of Xenogears/Xenosaga. I never took it as seriously as the critical and commercial majority did. I don't doubt it is one of the most enduring ones...but it is just a show about giant robots killing giant monsters. Any extra psychobabble is just window dressing.

I even met the dub actors and directors (people to this day known FOR this show), and even they have mixed feelings about being known for it. Maybe the Japanese reception to it is different, but it is one of those inescapable weird things no one can seem to avoid when talking about anime.

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I haven't seen Eva and I don't care about Eva

It is, however, a cultural touchstone for the entire medium. Probably Top 5 most important/influential out of any anime show

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A lot of people connect with it because it's basically a metaphor for the creator's depression. He was depressed and suicidal while making it.
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ZaziGuado posted...

Here's a dumb question: What is Evangelion? I hear the name all the time, but I know very little about it. I gather that it's some super influential piece of media?

A lot of it has already been covered but it was a 90s anime that took a different direction from most of the popular mecha trends at the time. Like in a genre full of kid/teenage heroes who embrace the role of hero, it had a protagonist who reacted with hesitation and fear because getting drafted into fighting in a giant mecha you know nothing about against alien-ish enemies is something that would probably terrify the shit out of most people, let alone kids - and how being forced into that scenario because the fate of the world is at stake would do to someone like that.

It not only became very popular, but it influenced countless anime and games who then followed that kind of take instead.

Like Mac said, it was also made at a time when the creator was suffering from severe depression and it really shows. Honestly, I think of it less a mecha anime than a kind of character/depression study dressed up with mecha. It's especially evident in the last act(s).

It's also pretty infamous for having pretty much zero budget in the last quarter or so leading to some really unorthodox scenes like a ton of use of still images and other obvious "we ran out of money" type stuff. If you know about Xenogears Disc 2 memes think the anime version of that (though Evangelion was first.)

The ending is one heck of a mindscrew too and then the movie (I'm talking End of Evangelion not the more recent Rebuild movies) just piles on to it.

Watching it these days I'm sure it wouldn't come off as revolutionary or necessarily unique, but a large part of that is how much cultural influence it had leading to a lot of its themes becoming a lot more popular (some might say over-saturated at times) in media in the years after.

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Yeah, as a I mentioned in another topic, it's a rare piece of media about that actually understands what it's like to have and experience depression. I can imagine how it would have resonated with me if I had seen it when I was younger instead of recently.

I've watched through 3.33 so far and basically agree with this:

I liked 1.11.

I LOVED 2.22 and consider it possibly the best Eva entry ever.

I wasnt a fan of 3.33 and consider it possibly the worst Eva entry ever.

So hopefully that means good things for 3.0+1.0.

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Tag to remind myself to watch these

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The original Evangelion was pretty much a dressing down of Otaku tropes that went off the rails due to the creator's depression that somehow made everything it was trying to condemn more popular

I liked the series a lot more when I decided to just ignore the meaningless Christian imagery and focus on the characters. EoE explained everything to a satisfying conclusion.

It's kind of insane how often the stuff from the show that was meant to come off as weird or bad got lifted or copied into generic anime and then played straight

I've only seen the TV show plus EoE, and I'm kind of dreading this movie series. I get the impression that either NGE/EoE was amazing by accident, or the newer series caved to fans (the ones that unironically say "get in the fucking robot shinji", think rei is the perfect waifu, and don't like it when asuka has strong or messed up internal characterization) and became something more generic

I'm hopeful that my dread is misplaced. I'm going to have to come back to this topic in a couple weeks once I've burned through everything

As a side note, I also can't recommend the mega64 live adaptations enough

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I think the weirdest thing is Eva gets this "perfect mess of stupid" down right, almost in the way FF8 tried but failed to do. It's gross and brutal enough that it somehow succeeds at...whatever it was trying to be. I mean, I prefer RahXephon as a package as, "This is totally and EVA ripoff and we don't make a lick of sense, but go with it." Rah is way too polished, even for a copycat. But Eva has a charm in just how...awkward it is.

Also, I do NOT emphathize with Shinji, Rei, or Asuka at all. Even when I first watched it about 10 years ago, Misato and Ritsuko were the "beaten down working girls who have to babysit and deal with crazy shit" people I actually gravitated to. But whatever. I'm over 30. Of course I'd get that.

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Strife2 posted...

I think the weirdest thing is Eva gets this "perfect mess of stupid" down right, almost in the way FF8 tried but failed to do.

that's a great way to put it. there's a lot of cringey stuff in the TV series in particular that somehow just works because it's so raw, and you believe the characters have those intellectual/emotional blind spots. there are some awkward anime camera angles/butt shots/etc but we can live through those, and i think this is the one show where it's sort of there to serve a purpose other than checking some boxes. the main character is 14 and sees the world a certain way, and the show/EoE also gives a middle finger to fans obsessed with 14 year olds

Strife2 posted...

Also, I do NOT emphathize with Shinji, Rei, or Asuka at all. Even when I first watched it about 10 years ago, Misato and Ritsuko were the "beaten down working girls who have to babysit and deal with crazy shit" people I actually gravitated to. But whatever. I'm over 30. Of course I'd get that.

I think this right here is the best part of the show. Every single one of the main characters is messed up in some way (i thought misato was even more inappropriate on my second viewing, and i don't think i need to explain ritsuko!) You don't have to empathize with them- people with IRL mental illnesses are unique and frequently a huge pain in the ass- but you can believe them.

They're also all victims of the practical implications of anime harem and anime child soldier tropes. I choose in my head to believe that was on purpose to make a point, and not played straight for the sake of honry

Basically... nothing about the show was "safe". I think a lot of media is kind of on a sliding scale from safe & inoffensive (something you can slap on in the background on TV or streaming, not really pay attention, and it doesn't matter) to more artful but also not appealing to everyone.

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I have some good news as not only are the Rebuilds not that, but they go out of the way in the second and third to say that fans shouldnt want that.

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banananor posted...

It's kind of insane how often the stuff from the show that was meant to come off as weird or bad got lifted or copied into generic anime and then played straight

I mean there are definitely a few shows that took the Eva influence and did it perfectly well, or at least decently. If you want to get REAL trickle down, you can even give Eva credit for influencing the general goal of other genre busters like Madoka..

But more often than not you just got stuff like...this...

https://youtu.be/R935CIG42Tw

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they sure were some eva movies

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This 1.11 dub on Amazon prime sucks. I thought someone said there was a better one?

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Haven't checked the prime 1.11 but if they redubbed it then idk if the original dub is up anywhere anymore, I'm guessing it isn't if Amazon now has the rights. It'd still be around from the original Blu-rays of course but yeah.

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The dub seemed fine to me. Just finished 1.11 and it sure was a recap alright lol.

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just burned through the quadrilogy!

i'm glad i did. i think it could have been a whole lot shorter, but i understand why they wanted to pack absolutely everything into what they're billing as a series sendoff


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also i agree, the dub in 1.11 was not great. i was relieved when the dubs in 2.22 and onwards were back to being excellent

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Waluigi1 posted...

Just finished 1.11 and it sure was a recap alright lol.

yeah. 1.11 felt like almost a complete waste. I'm glad i didn't let it deter me. the only thing that i remember feeling at all important was rei being characterized a tiny bit differently.

you might find 2.22 more worthwhile.

CybrMonkey posted...

I liked 1.11.

I LOVED 2.22 and consider it possibly the best Eva entry ever.

I wasnt a fan of 3.33 and consider it possibly the worst Eva entry ever.

So hopefully that means good things for 3.0+1.0.

everything evangelion is deeply flawed, but if i had to rank things i've seen, it'd be

EoE > 2.22 >= NGE > 4.0 > 1.11 > 3.33

I loved certain parts of 4.0 so much, but i wanted to hit the snooze button through most of the fights and the obligatory evangelion technobabble. this stuff was passe when gurren lagann lampooned it back in 2007...

UshiromiyaEva posted...

I mean there are definitely a few shows that took the Eva influence and did it perfectly well, or at least decently. If you want to get REAL trickle down, you can even give Eva credit for influencing the general goal of other genre busters like Madoka..

But more often than not you just got stuff like...this...

oh my.

i think what bothers me about anime or otaku culture is that it's completely unperturbed by insight or deconstruction

when james bond got completely roasted by austin powers, it was so effective that the studio had to go back to the drawing board and start completely over with a (much needed) new take.

when underage harems and child soldiers get roasted by neon genesis evangelion, subsequent anime just makes shallow references and continues gleefully with everything it was already doing

to be fair, i'm probably way off and i just haven't seen the good stuff

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Why did it take almost a decade for this last movie to come out?

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Waluigi1 posted...

Why did it take almost a decade for this last movie to come out?

A lot of stuff happened.

Anno began suffering from depression again after the third film. I think as part of recovering from it he helped Miyazaki with a film and then ended up with another film commitment (a Godzilla reboot.) There was also some crazy (IIRC) finanicial/legal situation involving Gainax that spiraled out of control.

Then when it was finally back on track... the pandemic hit when it was supposed to be released.

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Finally watching now. Half a hour in, Rei is amazing in this movie.

banananor posted...

oh my! thank you for sharing that, it's a good laugh

Can't help but respect them for being that fucking ballsy, lol.

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xp1337 posted...

A lot of stuff happened.

Anno began suffering from depression again after the third film. I think as part of recovering from it he helped Miyazaki with a film and then ended up with another film commitment (a Godzilla reboot.) There was also some crazy (IIRC) financial/legal situation involving Gainax that spiraled out of control that he ended up involved in because he had loaned them 100m yen and beyond not repaying it they were also stiffing Anno on royalties from an earlier agreement that he would get them for works he had well... worked on.

Then when it was finally back on track... the pandemic hit when it was supposed to be released.

Ah thanks for the insight!

Just finished 2.22... No idea what's going on lol.

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Alright so you know how 3.0 was a bunch if ridiculous bullshit and also boring trash?

This was also ridiculous bullshit but was fucking excellent.

I feel like people who didn't finish reading the manga might be slightly confused by the actual ending....pairing? Which, can't blame them, it had even worse delays than this movie did.

I can definitely see why the Asuka stans were a upset because this movie seems the least interested in her overall as far as closure goes. Like, she's in it plenty, but mostly she's just "in it".

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