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Master Kazuya
08/10/21 8:23:17 PM
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It is the complete opposite of whatever subtleness is, or an inference, or intuition, etc. Anime doesn't know how to invoke feelings without being EXTREMELY overt about what's going on. As if it's being written for bots trying to understand how humans work.

Someone is intelligent? Let's make them able to know exactly every move in advance and literally call out everything either ahead of time or call it out to a ridiculous degree once it's over.

Someone likes food? They will eat in every single scene, literally gorge themselves nonstop, and that will be the premise of their character. The food guy.

I need to feel bad for someone? Let's give them the fucking most depressing backstory in the world, so sad that we need to keep flashing back to it. In a normal story, it might be something like "mom would be proud", but in anime it's like "my mom was the ONLY THING I HAD!!! she BELIEVED IN ME!!! she gave me the POWER to BELIEVE IN MYSELF!!!"

Someone has strong ideals they believe in? It must be rooted in that backstory and they must scream it with tears in their eyes every time it gets challenged, instead of you know, showing it with what they do.

Everything is measured in percents. I don't need to know the chances of something working, the amount of percentage that's behind an attack, how much percent you are holding back. These are fucking lazy ways to storytell. You should be able to convey it through context and narrative. I don't need a stat tracker announced to me to figure out this guy is trying harder or not. "now going to HYAKU PAHCENTO". Who the hell announces they are going to go into 100% of something? You just do it.

Love? Let me jump into this black hole filled with demons because this one cute chick/dude paid attention to my miserable self all of 5 minutes, because OMG THEIR LOVE IS ALL I HAVE. Jesus christ.

It is just all so dramatic and all so telegraphed that it gives me no room to sit with it myself since it's screaming everything it hopes I feel at me. I haven't even gone into how all of them play off the same few tropes and characters in different skins.

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257Loner
08/10/21 8:35:13 PM
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You're absolutely right about everything. Anime is for bad people, even humans like me.

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MedeaLysistrata
08/10/21 8:37:12 PM
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Master Kazuya posted...
Love? Let me jump into this black hole filled with demons because this one cute chick/dude paid attention to my miserable self all of 5 minutes, because OMG THEIR LOVE IS ALL I HAVE. Jesus christ.
This is pretty realistic actually

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BusyGettingLaid
08/10/21 8:38:15 PM
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Eh, people only watch it for the tits anyways
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BloodMoon7
08/10/21 8:38:58 PM
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I dunno man it sounds like you just keep watching garbage. You should watch Redo of a Healer. It's pretty much the best and most subtle anime recently.

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PerseusRad
08/10/21 8:40:18 PM
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I feel like I hear these same complaints about it pretty much every form of media, even literature. Though truthfully I cant attest too much about novels, I dont read enough of them.

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Mistere Man
08/10/21 8:40:37 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
This is pretty realistic actually
Agreed.

God if I had a nickel for every time I jumped into a demon filled black hole for 5 minute love, I would be extremely wealthy!


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MarthGoomba
08/10/21 8:41:12 PM
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Try watching more than just mainstream shonen
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Master Kazuya
08/10/21 8:45:37 PM
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BloodMoon7 posted...
I dunno man it sounds like you just keep watching garbage. You should watch Redo of a Healer. It's pretty much the best and most subtle anime recently.

How is it possible that I keep running into garbage though. I get recommendations a lot and I watch them and it feels like more of the same. It's possible I've been recommended garbage but who's to say Redo isn't garbage too.

PerseusRad posted...
I feel like I hear these same complaints about it pretty much every form of media, even literature. Though truthfully I cant attest too much about novels, I dont read enough of them.

Some of these complaints apply to reality TV or competition TV shows, they always need caricatures of people or super obnoxious background music to oversaturate any mood going on. See Gordan Ramsey in America vs Britain. The British version just lets the people speak for themselves, the American show is full of weird clangs and noises and sirens and shit in the background.

Rom coms do this sometimes too, they make love stories out of actually psychotic people.

Every media can have annoying story telling but I feel as though anime's roots are in annoying story telling, like anime actually prides itself on the annoying shit it does and seeks to perpetuate it.

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Kisai
08/10/21 8:46:45 PM
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It's hard to explain, but I especially hate the incredibly awkward and clumsy way anime generally handles introducing character backstories, or exposition. They'll have characters basically giving a forced backstory like it's just an ordinary conversation, but nobody would talk like that to each other. I'm more forgiving if it's a first-person narration to the audience, but it irritates me when characters speak to each other like that. These are things the person they're talking to already know, so there's no need to give so many specific details like they're learning of it for the first time.

The best example of an actual thing I can give of is amusingly, Big Hero 6, which wanted so badly to be half Japanese homegrown anime, that they even got down terrible exposition at the very beginning of the movie when Hiro and his brother are running away from the gang members and his brother's like, "I know you graduated top of your class, and you're a genius wonderkid, but don't you have something better to spend your time doing?"

I fucking hate that kind of shit with a passion. Again, it's not that bad when the main character's disembodied voice is plainly narrating to the audience, but the alternative is terrible. It displays a lack of decent writing and practically insults the audience's intelligence.

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WingsOfGood
08/10/21 8:47:39 PM
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Hunter X Hunter

JoJo

Your post doesn't work for them.
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Master Kazuya
08/10/21 8:54:18 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Hunter X Hunter

JoJo

Your post doesn't work for them.

I've heard good things about those, but Jojo seems really weird to get into for a newcomer. Some people say oh only watch Jojo, some people are like watch Jojo and then JoJo, some people are like watch Jojo and then JoJo, then jOjO, cause the series is both old and also new and there is a movie and also not a movie and shit.

I think I watched some of the older old one and I got kinda bored.

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LinkDaLunatic
08/10/21 8:54:44 PM
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This is why I can't go back, man. I used to love Death Note, for example, but trying to watch it now, the nonstop play-by-play of every single thought every character in every scene is having... hoooooly fuck.

L: *sits in a chair and looks at Light*
Light: Why is he looking at me? -gasp- Does he realize that I'm Light? Have I been too obvious? No, my cover so far has been perfect so far. Unless... Wait, it can't be! Did he figure out that I was the one who killed that one guy in that one scene? AND THEN THE OTHER GUY LATER? But if he knows that, then...!!! (suspenseful opera music on blast)
L: Do you have any cheesecake? I'm hungry.
Light: Oh, so it's fucking CHEESECAKE you want, is it? Bastard... You don't actually want cheesecake. You're just playing GAMES with me. Trying to make me panic! Very well. I'll give you cheesecake. And then, L, I will kill you. Not just in the name of justice, but because I am the God of the New World!!!!!!!!!!!!! (opera music literally blaring at this point as the episode ends with still shots of Light with red eyes and L with blue eyes for like two fucking minutes)

obviously that's an exaggeration, but really. So much of what is inner-monologued in Death Note could easily be inferred by the viewer. Have some faith in your audience. Jesus...
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LightningAce11
08/10/21 8:55:37 PM
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Have you only seen 5 anime

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Master Kazuya
08/10/21 8:58:15 PM
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LinkDaLunatic posted...
obviously that's an exaggeration, but really.

Is it? That seemed hella spot on and I haven't seen the show in forever lol

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Kim_Seong-a
08/10/21 8:58:56 PM
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"Redo" was a joke recommendation, avoid it like the plague lol. But also

MarthGoomba posted...
Try watching more than just mainstream shonen


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Master Kazuya
08/10/21 9:02:25 PM
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I will say I watched that movie Your Name and I really liked it. I've also seen the new Broly movie and thought it was awesome.

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WingsOfGood
08/10/21 9:13:30 PM
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Master Kazuya posted...
I've heard good things about those, but Jojo seems really weird to get into for a newcomer. Some people say oh only watch Jojo, some people are like watch Jojo and then JoJo, some people are like watch Jojo and then JoJo, then jOjO, cause the series is both old and also new and there is a movie and also not a movie and shit.

I think I watched some of the older old one and I got kinda bored.

The first one is just prelude.
It is also pretty short.

Start with Stardust Crusaders if you cannot start from the very beginning.

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SSJPurple
08/10/21 9:22:21 PM
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This guy never saw Hunter X Hunter

No new content in 2+ years and people still find interesting details and hints/forshadowing.

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WingsOfGood
08/10/21 9:29:32 PM
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SSJPurple posted...
This guy never saw Hunter X Hunter

No new content in 2+ years and people still find interesting details and hints/forshadowing.

I have actually rewatched it like 3 times now and I usually don't do that.

Unfortunately, first episode is deceptive that it will be run of the mill shounen and some people don't keep going to realize how wrong they are.
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NoxObscuras
08/10/21 9:42:36 PM
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You need to branch out your genres. It's mainly the shounen anime that slap you in the face with tropey characters. Because those anime ate targeted at prepubescent boys. They can still be an entertaining watch, but that's mainly what you're going to get from the big action anime.

Check out something like Baccano. It takes place in prohibition era USA and the English dubs really nail the "Italian mobster" accent. Baccano tells the story through the eyes of about a dozen characters. If you can get past how chaotic that is, the story is really well done and slowly makes more sense, the more you see events unfold.

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superman 2000
08/10/21 9:58:16 PM
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As someone who actually enjoys anime, I had a blast reading TC's complaints. They're all legit. xD

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superman 2000
08/10/21 9:59:47 PM
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LinkDaLunatic posted...
This is why I can't go back, man. I used to love Death Note, for example, but trying to watch it now, the nonstop play-by-play of every single thought every character in every scene is having... hoooooly fuck.

L: *sits in a chair and looks at Light*
Light: Why is he looking at me? -gasp- Does he realize that I'm Light? Have I been too obvious? No, my cover so far has been perfect so far. Unless... Wait, it can't be! Did he figure out that I was the one who killed that one guy in that one scene? AND THEN THE OTHER GUY LATER? But if he knows that, then...!!! (suspenseful opera music on blast)
L: Do you have any cheesecake? I'm hungry.
Light: Oh, so it's fucking CHEESECAKE you want, is it? Bastard... You don't actually want cheesecake. You're just playing GAMES with me. Trying to make me panic! Very well. I'll give you cheesecake. And then, L, I will kill you. Not just in the name of justice, but because I am the God of the New World!!!!!!!!!!!!! (opera music literally blaring at this point as the episode ends with still shots of Light with red eyes and L with blue eyes for like two fucking minutes)

obviously that's an exaggeration, but really. So much of what is inner-monologued in Death Note could easily be inferred by the viewer. Have some faith in your audience. Jesus...

LMAOOOO hahahahah this was great

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dmaster342
08/10/21 10:17:30 PM
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Master Kazuya posted...
I've heard good things about those, but Jojo seems really weird to get into for a newcomer. Some people say oh only watch Jojo, some people are like watch Jojo and then JoJo, some people are like watch Jojo and then JoJo, then jOjO, cause the series is both old and also new and there is a movie and also not a movie and shit.

I think I watched some of the older old one and I got kinda bored.

I was a newcomer to JoJo and just started with the 2012 series and went through the parts in order. It was a little interesting but also cool because I don't see it as a typical anime with what they do with the parts/new characters. It really wasn't that bad knowing nothing about it before going in.

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Kloe_Rinz
08/10/21 10:19:39 PM
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All your complaints seem targeted at a specific show. Your complaints do not apply to an entire medium.
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Kloe_Rinz
08/10/21 10:22:37 PM
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Who posted
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Choco
08/10/21 10:35:49 PM
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tc has watched at most 2 animes in his life

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WingsOfGood
08/10/21 10:37:33 PM
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JustMyOpinion posted...
Hunter x Hunter is super guilty of TC's second paragraph. The hell are you talking about?

Where exactly does this happen?
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Master Kazuya
08/10/21 11:04:01 PM
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LightningAce11 posted...
Have you only seen 5 anime

Kloe_Rinz posted...
All your complaints seem targeted at a specific show. Your complaints do not apply to an entire medium.

Choco posted...
tc has watched at most 2 animes in his life


Animes I have completed:
DBZ/GT
Suzumiya Haruhi
Death Note
Naruto/Shippuden
One Punch Man +s2
Attack on Titan
Mob Psycho 100
Midori no Hibi
Viper GTS
Steins Gate
Assassination Classroom
Hellsing
Taboo Charming Mother
Madoka Magicka

Movies:
Old Broly
New Broly
DBZ Return of F
Your Name
Spirited Away
Lupin the Third
Princess Mononoke
Boruto
Naruto movie w/ Evil Naruto
Akira

Animes I have seen more than 1 ep of:
Lucky Star
Demon Slayer
Jujutsu Kaisen
Code Geass
HiScore Girl
Gintama
Kaiji
One Piece
YuGiOh
Jojo (old one)
Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood
Kill la Kill

These are off the top of my head.

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BeantownHero
08/10/21 11:06:18 PM
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Tell me you only watch Shonen without telling me you only watch Shonen

Edit: theres one on TCs watched list that is definitely not like the others

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Guide
08/10/21 11:12:45 PM
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Master Kazuya posted...
Taboo Charming Mother

even the hentai is mainstream

get some taste

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Kitt
08/10/21 11:23:05 PM
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No lies detected in the OP.

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averagejoel
08/10/21 11:38:57 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Where exactly does this happen?
it's like Kurapika's entire character

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Ratchetrockon
08/10/21 11:44:21 PM
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BloodMoon7 posted...
I dunno man it sounds like you just keep watching garbage. You should watch Redo of a Healer. It's pretty much the best and most subtle anime recently.
This

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Kloe_Rinz
08/11/21 3:14:33 AM
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Kitt posted...
No lies detected in the OP.
Did you know gullible is written on your roof
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ApherosyLove
08/11/21 3:19:07 AM
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Shinsekai Yori, baaabyyyy

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Smackems
08/11/21 3:30:03 AM
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Yeah

That's anime

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Scotty_Rogers
08/11/21 3:35:17 AM
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You know what's also dumb about anime?

How it can make manbabies whine about someone's hairline or forehead being too big.

@superman_2000

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Eab1990
08/11/21 3:39:15 AM
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Redo actually has some level of subtlety beneath the trashy premise, but I wouldnt trust TC or most of CE to reach that far.
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Guerrilla Soldier
08/11/21 3:42:28 AM
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yes, it's all exaggerated. and irritating. but that's what the fans love, and that's what sells, so they keep doing it even more and more.

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Gobstoppers12
08/11/21 3:45:43 AM
#43:


Master Kazuya posted...
Anime doesn't know how to invoke feelings without being EXTREMELY overt about what's going on
I think you're mistaking "anime" for Shonen and the other young adult stuff.

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Murphiroth
08/11/21 3:45:46 AM
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Watch Cowboy Bebop.
Watch Space Dandy.
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pegusus123456
08/11/21 3:49:33 AM
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For anyone curious, Redo of Healer's premise is that after four years of torture and sexual abuse, a healer finds a way to go back in time and take revenge on his tormentors. He does this by raping them. It's genuinely baffling that it's not hentai.

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Zero_Destroyer
08/11/21 3:55:46 AM
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ApherosyLove posted...
Shinsekai Yori, baaabyyyy


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pinky0926
08/11/21 3:59:55 AM
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The thing to remember is that most anime as we think about it is designed for 13 year old boys to fantasy self insert, it's not designed for subtle exposition or wonderful prose.

It just so happens that the medium is fun and stylistic so it gets picked up by 30 year old men like us who should know better.

P.s. it is funny that when this topic comes up people really feel the need to "well ackshually, anime is a medium, what you mean is the shonen genre" as if that wasn't already completely implicitly understood by all

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scar the 1
08/11/21 4:07:35 AM
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I don't disagree but you also described every Marvel movie lol

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superman 2000
08/11/21 10:04:02 AM
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Some of you are clearly in denial...lol. Yeah, of course not every single anime in existence does this, but more than enough of them do for you people to understand where TC's coming from.

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R_Jackal
08/11/21 10:06:24 AM
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This isn't an anime problem, it's a fucking every form of media problem. We've entered an age where nuance or actual mystery is non existent, and any form of it is met with hamfisted exposition or viewers/players complaining that it doesn't make sense until your ears bleed.
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