Board 8 > Do not see 6:45 (movie)

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I've seen a lot of movies since my wife and I started paying for the Regal Unlimited program and naturally some of them haven't been very good. This isn't terribly surprising when you start to expand the movies you see to include ones that you don't expect much from just because they are free. Normally when I don't enjoy a movie I would just keep it to myself because subjectivity is a thing that exists. This movie though was so bad that I don't think it would be worth the time it takes to watch even if it were free.

It's a low budget thriller that hasn't been heavily advertised so I wouldn't be surprised if most of you have not heard about it. The movie bills itself as a gritty "day loop" movie such as Groundhog Day, or Happy Death Day or Live Die Repeat. The elevator pitch is that it's about a couple on vacation, but the day keeps ending with their murder and then they wake up again at 6:45.

I was intrigued by the looping aspect of it because I enjoy those Groundhog-Day-Like movies, but this was a very poorly executed example of that. I can go into more detail about it's failings if anyone is curious, but otherwise the less said about it the better. It was 90 minutes I would not care to relive any more than necessary.

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That sounds like a solid idea for a movie. I'm curious how they screw it up so badly.

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That's a shame, I love loop movies and that premise sounds really cool.


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The Endless is another good one if you like these kinds of movies.

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The looping itself was very sloppy. There is a distinct lack of precision to things when they repeat, and even when things are different, they are different in the wrong way.

For example (incredibly mild spoilers) The first morning at breakfast the man complains to the bed and breakfast owner than the restroom was dirty in their room. The owner apologizes and explains that he'll have their maid take a look. The following morning (so the first repetition) before the man even says a word at breakfast the owner apologizes for the dirty restroom and says he'll have it taken care of. He's apologizing for a problem that he hasn't been informed of yet. It doesn't make sense. The dialogue already isn't great, but when you throw constant temporal inaccuracies it becomes much worse. This was far from the only example, but it just displays that very little care was taken to line things up which is like step 0 for a time loop movie.

There is also a big spoilers for the end of the movie that I could share, but without sharing it I can say that they tried to take things in a different direction than expected, and it could have worked if that aspect of the movie wasn't also handled very poorly.

The director Craig Singer seems to focus on low budget horror/thriller, but I'm definitely going to steer clear of anything he touches until I hear good things. And this didn't need to be a big budget movie. It could easily have been a low budget, high concept piece. But the concept was just so poorly executed.

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I just assume any movie that doesn't have a wiki isn't worth watching

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Bumping reminder to not see this film.

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One of my favorite genres, so thanks for the heads-up!

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Since a lot of people aren't going to see it, you should post the ending in spoiler tags

Sure I'll put something together this afternoon.

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Watch Palm Springs if you haven't instead!

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I love Palm Springs. It's a great example of a day loop movie.

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If you want a good low budget loop movie, ARQ on Netflix is worth a watch

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I just started watching Palm Springs because of this topic. Should I watch ARQ as well?

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Time loop movie watch through topic I'm in. I make it my goal to watch any and every loop movie I can, which means I will disregard FD's recommendation here at some point.

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I keep a list of Time Loop movies on Letterboxd
https://letterboxd.com/crossbonesgt/list/time-loop-movies/

I personally recommend Timecrimes, Predestination, and Triangle the most!

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Oh, I just watched Boss Level yesterday, it was nice little action/comedy timeloop, felt like it was lower budget and looked it up later it was apparently 45 million. 74% critics and 76% audience on RottenTomatoes, both of which are higher than I expected to see tbh. Not great but perfectly fine and runs under a brisk 90 minutes, think it's on Hulu? Frank Grillo starts and thought he did fine!

Now I want a full 6:45 plot summary (or at least ending) spoiler since I can't seem to find anything on this movie anywhere. Like the fact it's not on wikipedia is definitely bizzare.

Yeah I'm going to start typing something up in just a minute.

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This post is going to contain FULL SPOILERS for the movie 6:45. Do not click to view these spoilers unless (A) you want to know them and (B) you want to have your day ruined by the wasted potential that is this movie.

As I said earlier, the elevator pitch for this movie is that it's about a couple on vacation, but they keep getting murdered and then waking at 6:45 AM on the same day. I might miss a couple small things but to the best of my recollection this is what occurs in the movie:

The movie begins with a sex scene. Why? I'm not sure. It's just footage of people having sex. There are several sex scenes in this movie and it's not really clear why.

Hard cut to the same couple on the top floor of a ferry as they travel to their vacation spot.

Now they have reached their destination called Bog Grove and they walk to their bed and breakfast to check in. They remark that there doesn't really seem to be anyone else on the island. The male characters name is Bobby and the female is called Juliet or Jules. It is mentioned the Bobby visited this island when he was a small child and doesn't really remember or recognize it, but they thought it would be a good place to get away for a few days.

They check in with the owner of the BnB, Gene. He's a kind of unkept sort of person. Kind of like Timothy Spall's Peter Pettigrew from the Harry Potter movies sort of vibes. They go up to their room. It is that evening now and they are in bed. Gene knocks on their door to check on them, it seems he has a habit of being nosey. They say they are fine and then there is another sex scene. Possibly just a repeat of the same sex from before, it wasn't different enough for me to be sure it wasn't just the same footage from the top of the movie. They go to bed and the loop begins.

The beginning of day 1:

The alarm goes off a 6:45. Neither of them remember setting an alarm. Gene knocks on the door to check on them and says breakfast will be ready soon.

Bobby gets up to use the restroom. Jules says she is going to call her mother to let her know she got to the island and is still alive. Bobby tells Juliet to tell her mother that he says "hi".

While in the restroom Bobby looks at the bar of soup and notices it has a clump of hair stuck to it. He is visibly grossed out by this so I assume this wasn't just his own hair from the night before. [Did neither of them use the restroom the night they checked in?].

After leaving the restroom bobby grabs a pack of cigarettes, noting that there are only 2 left in the pack. He wonders aloud if he would be allowed to smoke in the room and Jules says she doesn't think so.

Before they leave the hotel room Bobby notices an envelope addressed "To Bobby". He asks what it was and Jules says it's something she wrote when they were fighting before their vacation. The implication seemed to be that things weren't going well between the two of them, but they are trying to make it work.

They go down to breakfast. When Gene arrives with the food Bobby mentions that the restroom was dirty. Gene apologies and says he'll have their maid take care of it. Jules asks Gene why the island seems deserted. Gene looks like he is going to say something but then instead says it's better not to talk about some things and the past is in the past.

After breakfast they walk around the island. They stop at a thrift shop. Jules examines a pair of yellow high heels. Jules sees a sign that has "JULES" written on it. Jules poses with several pairs of sunglasses.

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After thrift shopping they go to grab lunch at a place that Gene recommended. For some reason this means they are eating a burger at a dimly lit bar. Bobby and Jules are both heckled by a woman sitting across the bar named Brooklyn. They are going to resume eating but Jules get's freaked out by someone in the corner who is staring at her. This shadowy person is not really shown except very out of focus and has a creepy blank stare. They decide to leave and then visit a beach where they sit together. Bobby writes their initials in the sand inside a heart.

From there they visit some kind of arcade with pinball machines and other vintage coin operated games.

They start to walk back to the BnB, they are in a courtyard in front of a cathedral. Bobby gets down on one knee and proposes. She never technically says yes, but she takes the ring and 'yes' seemed to be implied. She says she wishes the day would never end.

Suddenly from behind her is the creepy man from the bar. He slices her neck with a box cutter. Bobby falls to his knees, stunned. The man walks behind Bobby and snaps his neck.

The alarm is going off, it is 6:45.

-DAY 2-

Bobby is visible shaken by what just happened. Before he's even had a chance to explain anything Jules assures him that he was just having a nightmare and they should get up and hit the town. Gene knocks at the door.

On his way to the restroom Jules says she is going to call her mom and asks Bobby if she should say he says hi. [Side note: This is one of the moments that made sense the first day and less sense the second. It makes sense for him to say "tell her hi for me", but it's not the sort of thing that she would naturally prompt "should I tell her you say hi?".]

In the restroom the bar of soap has the same clump of hair on it.

He leaves the restroom and looks at his cigarettes, noting the same 2 cigarettes remaining. Unprompted Jules says "I don't think you can smoke in here".

He glances towards the letter, but before he can say 'What's this?' like he said on the first day she offers "Oh, yeah, that's a letter I wrote when we were still fighting".

At breakfast Gene arrives and is already apologizing about the restroom before Bobby has even mentioned it was a problem. The main difference however comes when Jules asks Gene why the town is so empty, and rather than saying nothing he explains that some time ago there was a couple on vacation and they were murdered in front of the cathedral. He explains the woman's throat was slashed and the man's neck was snapped. He explained that they never found out who did it, but out of respect for the families they don't run the ferries on the anniversary of their deaths, which is today. I don't understand how not running the ferries is a suitable response to that kind of tragedy, but if you're looking for logic in this movie you wont find it.

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So at this point Bobby is very clearly realizing that the day is repeating, and Jules seems to be none the wiser, but rather than doing anything smart he

-Goes to the same thrift shop as the day before where Jules examines the same yellow shoes and sign with her name on it, and sunglasses.

-Goes to the same bar where they had lunch so they could be heckled by the same woman at the bar and Jules can get creeped out by the same man in the corner.

-Goes to the same beach, and then the same arcade.

The only difference is that Jules is a lot less happy because Bobby, rather than explaining the situation is just more aggressive and jerkish the whole day which just makes Jules unhappy. They imply that Bobby's aggression is part of why they were having relationship problems in the first place.

The only time Bobby does anything different on Day 2 is that he has them take a different route back to the BnB. So instead of near the cathedral they are in a neighborhood.

But the same guy shows up and kills Jules and Bobby in the same way.

It is 6:45, Day 3.

See day 2. They do the same crap on this day too. Bobby STILL doesn't really give any convincing explanation to Jules except to say that "I've done this twice already", but he refuses to say that they are going to die later and he refuses to do anything convincing to show her he's not just being crazy. It would be really easy to say "Gene is going to knock at our door in a few seconds" or "the soap is going to be dirty" or "we're going to visit a thrift shop where you will see X, Y and Z". But nope, he's just even more aggressively irritable and Jules isn't having any of it.

The soap is still dirty. There are still 2 cigarettes left. Jules is still asking Bobby if she should say that he says hi to her mom. Gene is still apologizing for the dirty restroom that he hasn't even been informed about yet and Bobby is still allowing them to visit ALL the same places during the day.

I don't remember where they got killed this day. This one might have been in the ally near the bar? It doesn't matter. The guy shows up to wherever they happened to be up and slices her neck with a box cutter at which point he falls to his knees until the guy walks over to him and snaps his neck. At no point does bobby ever do anything other than "fall to his knees and wait for death" when her neck is slashed.

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It is 6:45, day 4.

Finally bobby does something different. He insists that they stay in the room all day and enjoy each other's company. They ask Gene to bring them lunch in their room and bring up some board games. They stay in the room all day. There are at least 3 more sex scenes on this day.

It is now night time, and significantly later than it was on any of the previous days. They were being killed when it was still light out side, probably before 5 or 6 PM, but now on day 4 it's after 11 PM. Jules takes their dishes out of the room and the movie made it seem like this is where they would die, but nothing happens yet. It's nearly midnight now and bobby takes a shower. When he comes back the creepy guy shows up in their room, and kills them again.

Day 5 and 6 kind of blur together but it's honestly just more of the same. They start to change the routine, but creepy guy shows up just the same.

On day 7 Bobby instigates a bar fight so he can get thrown in jail, but Jules bails him out and the bartender decides not to press charges. This time they are killed in the woods near the jail.

You gradually learn a bit more about Bobby and Jules and the problems they were having. It sounds like at some poing Bobby had an affair with some woman named Ashley and Jules found out about the affair but Bobby never properly admitted to it.

Eventually on one of the days Bobby has a heart to heart with the bartender and opens up more about that. He says that in addition to the affair the Jules knew about, he also slept with one of Jules' best friends where he got her pregnant and then took her to get an abortion. The bartender advises that he should be honest with her if he's serious about making things right.

After day 7 there is a bit of a montage of things happening, and now suddenly it is day 100.

They are at the bar for lunch (because why would they have lunch anywhere other than the seedy bar that the seedy innkeeper told them about?) and Bobby finally tells Jules the truth about his affair(s). Or at least we assume that's what he's telling her, because there is no dialogue for this part, just music and she looks upset and they appear to break up and she leaves.

He goes back to their hotel room and she goes somewhere else. I'm not sure because they don't show or even imply where she might have gone.

He wakes up and she is not there. It is after 9 AM. It is finally the next day. He doesn't seem happy to have lost Jules, but he's glad the loop is over.

He takes the ferry home and on his way into his building he is stopped by some men. He is being arrested for the murder of Juliet.

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It is at this point that the movies attempts to impress you with their twist. He wasn't really stuck in a time loop, he just murdered his girlfriend during their fight when she says she is leaving him. The nosy innkeeper was just the building's super knocking on the door to see if everyone is okay on account of the domestic disturbance they had been causing. After he kills her he smokes a cigarette and sees that there are 2 left in the box. That one time were he wrote in the sand? You know that thing that only happened in ONE of the loops? Well after he kills her he grabs the box cutter and carves their initials and a heart into her back.

It seems like what they were going for was a "the recurring things from the looping days are just objects and things he noticed on the night the he killed her" but they even do THAT poorly because they only nod to a couple things and they could have done so much more with the concept. For example they displayed the yellow high heels in the thrift shop very prominently on both day 1 and day 2. But there weren't any yellow high heels in the room when he killed her or if there were they weren't featured or I missed them. But in addition to that they could have had Bobby take her to a DIFFERENT shop only to see the same iconic yellow high heels there. It seems like they wanted to make some things in the loops be like touchstones to reality, but they just didn't execute on that at all. They could have made it so Bobby was trying wildly different things during the day only to encounter the same shoes in different places, or see the same exact lunch in different restaurants. Maybe give some kind of indication that he's actually trying to change things only to have the same iconic imagery appear in different ways. But no, that would have been a good movie so they don't do anything like that.

Every single day Jules mentions that she is going to call her mom and let her know that she's alive. They could have tied this in by having Jules phone be ringing after he killed her and show that it was a call from her mother. Maybe that would be a bit too much like part of the "Playtest" episode of Black Mirror, but at least it would have been ACTUALLY using the recurring events of the loop to tie to the actual events of the murder. As far as I can tell all they really tied from the loops to reality was the cigarette box with 2 cigarettes, and the initials he wrote into the sand. And I *think* that the BnB owner Gene was also their superintendent like I mentioned earlier, but even that was not explicitly shown to be the case and is just me giving them the benefit of the doubt for what they seemed to be trying to say.

There was also the letter that Juliet wrote to Bobby, but that part doesn't make sense either. Because it seems like he didn't even read the letter before he killed her. It seems that he just killed her as a reaction to her breaking up with him in person. BUT when the letter actually gets read the letter is her breaking up with him, and saying that she's doing it by letter because she doesn't feel safe around him and doesn't want to be around him when he loses control. So if she was really breaking up by letter then why did she break up in person?

As a time loop movie it fails because the loops are sloppy with no proper explanation and they are constantly dragged down by the main character's poor decisionmaking.

And as a not-time-loop-but-actually-he-killed-her-movie it STILL fails because they did not sufficiently tie recurrences from the loop to the reality of the crime scene.

And to top it off the movie ends with Bobby still denying that he did it and so I guess he's just a crazy person now? Because there was definitely no ambiguity about the situation.

It's just all bad. And I'm sure I didn't explain it as well as I could have, or maybe I focused on too many of the wrong details, but you'll just have to take my word for it that the movie itself is not any better than my version of it.

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TL:DR

(Major Movie Spoilers)

They visit an island. They get killed. Day loops on their death. The looping is bad. The main character decision making is bad. His attempts to break the loop are bad. His attempts to convince his girlfriend that the loop is actually happening are bad. The movies ability to hold your interest for 75 minutes while the characters get killed over and over again is bad. And then the twist where it turns out there is no time loop and the main guy just murdered the main girl is bad because they didn't do nearly enough to connect the loop events with the events of the murder.

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Sounds interesting enough that it sucks it isn't better. There's a neat idea in there.

Also the best time loop movie is Agents of SHIELD, Season 7, Episode 9, "As I Have Always Been"

Previously I may have said Supernatural's "Mystery Spot"

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Mega Mana posted...

There's a neat idea in there.

Yup, but it's as if someone read a neat idea and then waited a month and made a film from memory without making or checking any notes.

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Ohh I do like the twist, in concept.

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I haven't seen Live. Die. Repeat since it was originally released as Edge of Tomorrow, but I generally remember that movie pretty favorably so if this is going to become a hub for time loop discussion maybe I'll give that a watch sometime this week and see how it holds up.

Snake5555555555 posted...

I personally recommend Timecrimes, Predestination, and Triangle the most!

I also love all 3 of these. And I know it's not a time loop, but I can't think about these movies without including Coherence in the same conversation. I don't even want to say what Coherence is about in case there is anyone who hasn't seen it yet.

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FFDragon posted...

Time loop movie watch through topic I'm in. I make it my goal to watch any and every loop movie I can, which means I will disregard FD's recommendation here at some point.

yeah honestly, this topic only made me want to watch 6:45.

I finished Palm Springs! Pretty entertaining movie. I love Andy Samberg, and the story was enjoyable. It was definitely good enough to get this time loop watch started. I may post brief thoughts and a ranking later

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time to recommend the Endless Eight arc of Haruhi Suzumiya

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Coherence is a fantastic movie tbqh

Does a lot with very little. Kinda like Primer in that respect.

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Yes and it has the kind of attention to detail that 6:45 lacks

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

I haven't seen Live. Die. Repeat since it was originally released as Edge of Tomorrow, but I generally remember that movie pretty favorably so if this is going to become a hub for time loop discussion maybe I'll give that a watch sometime this week and see how it holds up.

Edge of Tomorrow is fantastic and Emily Blunt is smoking hot in it

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you time loop fans should watch higurashi.

though i haven't seen kai, which apparently was not good.

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Higurashi Kai is good. It's also straight up the second half of the story so skipping it is like skipping the back half of a movie.
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guess i should watch it after all, then! i vaguely remember people not being crazy about it when it came out.

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How was the Happy Death Day sequel?

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If this is the time loop topic, and if it accepts video games, I recommend The Forgotten City! It came out years ago as an acclaimed Skyrim mod, but it recently released as a standalone game as well. It's a bit hand-holdy at times and more than a little bit janky (being an indie game and all), but I still think the story/experience is well worth it.

Basic premise, you get transported to an ancient city where everyone dies anytime one person breaks the law. You keep time looping one day trying to figure out how to save them and escape.
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Raka_Putra posted...

How was the Happy Death Day sequel?

I preferred the original. They provide an explanation for the loop in the second. (technology?) but I preferred the vagueness of the original. I didn't need to know why the loop occurred to be satisfied by the plot and resolution of the first.

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I thought the second HDD was super funny but I enjoyed the more horror bend the first one had. I guess they're both good in their own way, depending on what you're in the mood for.

Speaking of time loop video games, who else is hyped for Deathloop?

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Let's go my Stargate.

Also I've been messing with the solo time loop RPG Rewind and that's fairly nifty

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Starting ARQ now

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Interesting film

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My personal favorite loop movie is Triangle

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Simoun posted...

My personal favorite loop movie is Triangle

I thought that film was terrible! My personal favourite is Timecrimes.

Triangle is fun because it's a double loop movie. I'm willing to forgive some of its minor flaws because of how hard they work to make the intersection make sense.

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I'm watching Triangle again right now because apparently my wife had not seen it. I thought that we had watched it together but I guess this was one I saw by myself. So far it's holding up.

But more importantly, where does everyone stand on the classic time loop gem that is Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban?

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probably the best Harry Potter movie but including that mechanic in a series was an astonishingly short-sighted move if you care about overall canon or consistency at all (which I suppose Rowling didn't until like book 5)

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So because I've had time loops on my brain for a couple days now I did have an idea for a different take on the genre that I don't think I've seen done before.

In these types of movies there is typically something bad happening that the scenario get's looped until it is fixed (Edge of Tomorrow, Source Code) or the main character needs to do the right sequence of things (Groundhog day) or something along those lines. But the end result is usually something better happening. What if it were the reverse?

More specifically I'm thinking about those interview you see on local news stations when someone does something awful and the neighbor next door always says how shocked they are and says something like "If you had asked me yesterday, I would have told you they weren't capable of doing something so awful" in reference to whatever atrocity had been committed by their neighbor.

Well what if yesterday they weren't capable.

What if a perfectly normal and nice person got stuck in a day loop and rather than taking the opportunity to improve themselves or have that perfect kind of day to break the loop they instead go the other direction. A slow descent into madness while they relive the same day thousands of times again. And the day loop just happens to end on a day where the main character did something particularly heinous, but rather than a day reset they are now stuck with the consequences of their actions.

That's really all I have to my idea so far, but to me at least that sounds like something I'd be interested in seeing. And as far as I know nothing like that has been done, but maybe some of you have heard of something like that?

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Oh that's quite interesting. The method of breaking the loop isn't there and the descent into madness isn't their fault, but Bernkastel from Umineko no Naku Koro Ni has this as their back story. They got trapped in a hopeless time loop and their mind just crumbled.

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