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_Angel_ 08/05/21 1:08:51 AM #51:	Broseph_Stalin posted... most tankies are not always. I just wanted to be sure because if that's the case, he should know that china ain't gonna show him no love for all this work lmao --- Leader of the AP. "Fast living will get you took // Thinking it can't happen to you, and then it do..." <cite>_Angel_ posted [p:956790669] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>most tankies are</quote>not always. I just wanted to be sure because if that's the case, he should know that china ain't gonna show him no love for all this work lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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limp-bizkit-89 08/05/21 1:09:44 AM #53:	_Angel_ posted... China is the modern day analogue to Nazi Germany on the world stage, and sooner or later we will have to reckon with them, we being the US, and our friendly allies in the U.N. for all the good that will do. As far as their genociding, it's indefensible but ultimately it does not count for much. If it did, we and/or other nations would have long since intervened. All nations have their sins and most seek to deny them. However we are not bound to uphold deflections and denials so we can be frank about them, U.S. and China included. Are you American, OP? sadly I feel we (Americans) would be the new UK in that scenario and wed need a new power to save our asses :( --- Keep Rollin Rollin Rollin (yeah!) <cite>limp-bizkit-89 posted [p:956790684] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>_Angel_ posted... </cite> <quote>China is the modern day analogue to Nazi Germany on the world stage, and sooner or later we will have to reckon with them, we being the US, and our friendly allies in the U.N. for all the good that will do. As far as their genociding, it's indefensible but ultimately it does not count for much. If it did, we and/or other nations would have long since intervened. All nations have their sins and most seek to deny them. However we are not bound to uphold deflections and denials so we can be frank about them, U.S. and China included. Are you American, OP?</quote> sadly I feel we (Americans) would be the new UK in that scenario and wed need a new power to save our asses :( </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 08/05/21 1:10:50 AM #54:	_Angel_ posted... So this dude really is some american white boy or something? Yeah he posted pictures of himself but when you mention he is white he loses his shit. He doesn't believe white privilege is a thing and therefore feels qualified to speak for minorities as their white savior despite not knowing their language and having no experience in their county. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:956790696] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>_Angel_ posted... </cite> <quote>So this dude really is some american white boy or something?</quote> Yeah he posted pictures of himself but when you mention he is white he loses his shit. He doesn't believe white privilege is a thing and therefore feels qualified to speak for minorities as their white savior despite not knowing their language and having no experience in their county. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 08/05/21 1:11:13 AM #55:	Broseph_Stalin posted... when the post said absolutely nothing about debt-trap diplomacy but your BAC is high enough that everything you read is just a blur The inane graphic you shared has China encroaching on the rest of the world (a ridiculous notion considering China doesnt fuck with the sovereignty of others like the U.S. which you worship does) in a spatial manner similar to where the BRI is accomplishing things so I figured thats what you were referencing. What *are* you referencing? Made up nonsense with ludicrous illustrations more suited to a crappy YouTube childrens cartoon? Yeah, I figured. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:956790704] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>when the post said absolutely nothing about debt-trap diplomacy but your BAC is high enough that everything you read is just a blur</quote> The inane graphic you shared has China encroaching on the rest of the world (a ridiculous notion considering China doesnt fuck with the sovereignty of others like the U.S. which you worship does) in a spatial manner similar to where the BRI is accomplishing things so I figured thats what you were referencing. What are you referencing? Made up nonsense with ludicrous illustrations more suited to a crappy YouTube childrens cartoon? Yeah, I figured. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 08/05/21 1:11:58 AM #56:	shockthemonkey posted... So why does China have so much wealth inequality? I think he answered it when he said capitalism is actually not opposed to socialism. Tankies just call state capitalism socialism and expect us to play along. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:956790718] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>So why does China have so much wealth inequality?</quote> I think he answered it when he said capitalism is actually not opposed to socialism. Tankies just call state capitalism socialism and expect us to play along. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Angel_ 08/05/21 1:13:08 AM #58:	limp-bizkit-89 posted... sadly I feel we (Americans) would be the new UK in that scenario and wed need a new power to save our asses :( I don't believe so. We're not weak despite what the identity politics paint us as. We have the might. Soft power is a whole different conversation however, and I feel that is where we are slipping, and China is gaining the upper hand. --- Leader of the AP. "Fast living will get you took // Thinking it can't happen to you, and then it do..." <cite>_Angel_ posted [p:956790730] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>limp-bizkit-89 posted... </cite> <quote>sadly I feel we (Americans) would be the new UK in that scenario and wed need a new power to save our asses :(</quote> I don't believe so. We're not weak despite what the identity politics paint us as. We have the might. Soft power is a whole different conversation however, and I feel that is where we are slipping, and China is gaining the upper hand. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 08/05/21 1:15:19 AM #59:	ssjevot posted... I think he answered it when he said capitalism is actually not opposed to socialism. Tankies just call state capitalism socialism and expect us to play along. ^this post, in a pic: --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:956790766] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted... </cite> <quote>I think he answered it when he said capitalism is actually not opposed to socialism. Tankies just call state capitalism socialism and expect us to play along.</quote> ^this post, in a pic: </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Angel_ 08/05/21 1:15:25 AM #60:	ssjevot posted... Yeah he posted pictures of himself but when you mention he is white he loses his shit. He doesn't believe white privilege is a thing and therefore feels qualified to speak for minorities as their white savior despite not knowing their language and having no experience in their county. That's hilarious. As a mexican dude, no one really respects that virtue signalling bullshit. More annoying than anything, believe that. Welp, guess he can go defend China till he's blue in the fingers. They won't give a shit about him in the end. Sidenote - if you really from china like that, got roots and everything, I suppose you're pretty free to speak your mind despite that? Heard some rumours of the CCP controlling/pressuring their people abroad. Is that something that can happen? --- Leader of the AP. "Fast living will get you took // Thinking it can't happen to you, and then it do..." <cite>_Angel_ posted [p:956790770] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah he posted pictures of himself but when you mention he is white he loses his shit. He doesn't believe white privilege is a thing and therefore feels qualified to speak for minorities as their white savior despite not knowing their language and having no experience in their county.</quote>That's hilarious. As a mexican dude, no one really respects that virtue signalling bullshit. More annoying than anything, believe that. Welp, guess he can go defend China till he's blue in the fingers. They won't give a shit about him in the end. Sidenote - if you really from china like that, got roots and everything, I suppose you're pretty free to speak your mind despite that? Heard some rumours of the CCP controlling/pressuring their people abroad. Is that something that can happen? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 08/05/21 1:18:02 AM #61:	ssjevot posted... Yeah he posted pictures of himself but when you mention he is white he loses his shit. He doesn't believe white privilege is a thing and therefore feels qualified to speak for minorities as their white savior despite not knowing their language and having no experience in their county. More asinine lies, as expected. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:956790816] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah he posted pictures of himself but when you mention he is white he loses his shit. He doesn't believe white privilege is a thing and therefore feels qualified to speak for minorities as their white savior despite not knowing their language and having no experience in their county.</quote> More asinine lies, as expected. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ssjevot 08/05/21 1:23:39 AM #63:	_Angel_ posted... As a mexican dude, no one really respects that virtue signalling bullshit. More annoying than anything, believe that. Also part Mexican (among other stuff), but live in Japan with my Chinese wife and her parents. Some white people love to be experts on every culture and tell you how it is even if they have no actual experience. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:956790904] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>_Angel_ posted... </cite> <quote>As a mexican dude, no one really respects that virtue signalling bullshit. More annoying than anything, believe that.</quote> Also part Mexican (among other stuff), but live in Japan with my Chinese wife and her parents. Some white people love to be experts on every culture and tell you how it is even if they have no actual experience. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 08/05/21 1:25:28 AM #64:	shockthemonkey posted... ok so what if instead of responding to his response to me, you just respond to me Reducing income inequality is clearly important policy for both social stability and in ensuring effective circulation within the economy (rich people save, and that leads to less demand). Its not just based on a moralistic fairness argument, there are huge benefits and huge downsides if inequality becomes too large. Its almost indisputably a good, and important thing to pursue, and yet we in the U.S. cant make any progress on it because of the ineffective governance system, where corporations and rich donors have basically taken over. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-23/china-looks-at-cutting-inequality-in-order-to-boost-the-economy --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:956790942] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>ok so what if instead of responding to his response to me, you just respond to me</quote> Reducing income inequality is clearly important policy for both social stability and in ensuring effective circulation within the economy (rich people save, and that leads to less demand). Its not just based on a moralistic fairness argument, there are huge benefits and huge downsides if inequality becomes too large. Its almost indisputably a good, and important thing to pursue, and yet we in the U.S. cant make any progress on it because of the ineffective governance system, where corporations and rich donors have basically taken over. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-23/china-looks-at-cutting-inequality-in-order-to-boost-the-economy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ssjevot 08/05/21 1:27:17 AM #66:	_Angel_ posted... Sidenote - if you really from china like that, got roots and everything, I suppose you're pretty free to speak your mind despite that? Heard some rumours of the CCP controlling/pressuring their people abroad. Is that something that can happen? I posted on here when I was living in Wuhan during the lockdown. It was chronicled in the old Coronavirus general topics. Absolutely you have to watch what you say on social media abroad. GameFAQs probably not. If my visa gets revoked over some shit here I would be shocked. I don't even dislike China, just the idiots posting bullshits, the nationalists, and the government, but that's America too so... --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:956790977] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>_Angel_ posted... </cite> <quote>Sidenote - if you really from china like that, got roots and everything, I suppose you're pretty free to speak your mind despite that? Heard some rumours of the CCP controlling/pressuring their people abroad. Is that something that can happen?</quote> I posted on here when I was living in Wuhan during the lockdown. It was chronicled in the old Coronavirus general topics. Absolutely you have to watch what you say on social media abroad. GameFAQs probably not. If my visa gets revoked over some shit here I would be shocked. I don't even dislike China, just the idiots posting bullshits, the nationalists, and the government, but that's America too so... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 08/05/21 1:31:23 AM #67:	Idk how I can simplify it for you........ Yes, there are problems in China, a country which first started seriously industrializing ~70 years ago, including wealth inequality, but the difference is they have actual concrete governmental strategies to combat these problems. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:956791044] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Idk how I can simplify it for you........ Yes, there are problems in China, a country which first started seriously industrializing ~70 years ago, including wealth inequality, but the difference is they have actual concrete governmental strategies to combat these problems. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shablagoo 08/05/21 1:35:11 AM #69:	Why did the revolutionary peasants who overthrew their feudal and colonist lords a mere 70 years ago let it get to this point? Come on shock man youre better than this, better than blaming the victim. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:956791109] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Why did the revolutionary peasants who overthrew their feudal and colonist lords a mere 70 years ago let it get to this point? Come on shock man youre better than this, better than blaming the victim. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 08/05/21 1:35:17 AM #70:	Shablagoo posted... Idk how I can simplify it for you........ Yes, there are problems in China, a country which first started seriously industrializing ~70 years ago, including wealth inequality, but the difference is they have actual concrete governmental strategies to combat these problems. Lol, okay bro. Inequality is worse now than ever before. People can't afford housing or childcare which is why no one wants kids. As a Weibo meme said in response to the new three child policy announcement "I don't have three luxury cars just because there is a one luxury car policy in place...". --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:956791112] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Idk how I can simplify it for you........ Yes, there are problems in China, a country which first started seriously industrializing ~70 years ago, including wealth inequality, but the difference is they have actual concrete governmental strategies to combat these problems.</quote> Lol, okay bro. Inequality is worse now than ever before. People can't afford housing or childcare which is why no one wants kids. As a Weibo meme said in response to the new three child policy announcement "I don't have three luxury cars just because there is a one luxury car policy in place...". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 08/05/21 1:36:16 AM #71:	Shablagoo posted... Why did the revolutionary peasants who overthrew their feudal and colonist lords a mere 70 years ago let it get to this point? Come on shock man youre better than this, better than blaming the victim. Wait you actually think that's what happened during the Chinese Civil War? Shit bro even Chinese schools don't teach that. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:956791132] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Why did the revolutionary peasants who overthrew their feudal and colonist lords a mere 70 years ago let it get to this point? Come on shock man youre better than this, better than blaming the victim.</quote> Wait you actually think that's what happened during the Chinese Civil War? Shit bro even Chinese schools don't teach that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PC-Builder_Pony 08/05/21 1:37:30 AM #72:	Lol shab --- Mac Book Pro 16 - 6-Core i7-9750H @ 2.60GHz - 32gb DDR4 2667 MHz - Radeon Pro 5500M 8gb - 2TB Apple SSD <cite>PC-Builder_Pony posted [p:956791153] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Lol shab </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMallard 08/05/21 1:38:03 AM #73:	Shezarr posted... Now, a quick reminder that Shab insists he has never used reddit and this isn't his account, but: Dude posts on Tails' subreddit. ofc it's him --- But I don't have to make this mistake, and I don't have to stay this way. Now Playing: Persona 5 Strikers, Oxenfree, Oldschool Runescape <cite>MrMallard posted [p:956791160] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Shezarr posted... </cite> <quote>Now, a quick reminder that Shab insists he has never used reddit and this isn't his account, but: </quote>Dude posts on Tails' subreddit. ofc it's him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 08/05/21 1:38:04 AM #74:	ssjevot posted... People can't afford housing 70% of Chinese millennials are homeowners. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:956791161] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted... </cite> <quote>People can't afford housing</quote> 70% of Chinese millennials are homeowners. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Angel_ 08/05/21 1:38:05 AM #75:	ssjevot posted... I posted on here when I was living in Wuhan during the lockdown. It was chronicled in the old Coronavirus general topics. Absolutely you have to watch what you say on social media abroad. GameFAQs probably not. If my visa gets revoked over some shit here I would be shocked. I don't even dislike China, just the idiots posting bullshits, the nationalists, and the government, but that's America too so... That's crazy bro. In Wuhan of all places when this shit hit, damn. America has a whole lot of sins domestically and internationally for sure. Genocide aside, not very much room to talk certainly, even concerning pride and propaganda as you mentioned but actively rooting for them as an american? you hate to see it --- Leader of the AP. "Fast living will get you took // Thinking it can't happen to you, and then it do..." <cite>_Angel_ posted [p:956791162] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted... </cite> <quote>I posted on here when I was living in Wuhan during the lockdown. It was chronicled in the old Coronavirus general topics. Absolutely you have to watch what you say on social media abroad. GameFAQs probably not. If my visa gets revoked over some shit here I would be shocked. I don't even dislike China, just the idiots posting bullshits, the nationalists, and the government, but that's America too so...</quote>That's crazy bro. In Wuhan of all places when this shit hit, damn. America has a whole lot of sins domestically and internationally for sure. Genocide aside, not very much room to talk certainly, even concerning pride and propaganda as you mentioned but actively rooting for them as an american? you hate to see it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 08/05/21 1:41:46 AM #76:	Honestly, the more stupid non-reasons I run into for why China should be s* on, the less I trust any of it, and the more it all comes across as a big whiny toddler tantrum from the capitalist bloc as the one remaining economic system that tries to look after its people slowly destroys neoliberalism from within in slow-motion. Here's why: there's really only one credible, large-scale, non-partisan data set that lets you objectively compare China to the rest of the world (and examine the world on the whole) - the UN Millenium Development Goals (UNMDG) dataset (reason: look at how the data is gathered). It's widely accepted, and beloved by leftists, social liberals, liberals/centrists, neoliberals, and even neocons alike...and it portrays China as a miraculous success story representing (numerically) the largest expansion of human rights in the entire history of humanity. And this isn't even as hyperbolic as the biggest fans of it get (the Gates Foundation is notorious for this): they seem to love releasing little reports on the data, full of over-the-top dramatizations about the ascent of the human race, dusting off the shackles of past economic oppression and walking hand-in-hand into a bright, technologically advanced, post-scarcity future, united as one great race...the human race, ready to start truly exploring the galaxy together. There's even an entire genre of books about this e.g. Better Angels of Our Nature, Enlightenment Now, Homo Deus, Sapiens. And my little depiction of their content isn't even close to as breathless and giddy some parts of this genre get. Except...everyone tends to dance around this very inconvenient detail in the data: that if you pull China and Vietnam out of the dataset, that rosy progress narrative is completely inverted. Suddenly, UNMDG paints a dark, miserable, and bleak picture of humanity on the decline and civilization slowly collapsing, as poverty skyrockets around the world, living standards drop, and climate change threatens to snip the last thread so many long-suffering people in the global south clutch for dear life...and meanwhile the little islands of stability in the imperialist core (which are responsible for this sorry state) turn colonialism inward, slowly eating their own citizens alive to the point that deaths from sheer despair start reversing the centuries-running rise in life expectancy. You'll find the second narrative in individual country reports from groups like Amnesty International, and even the UNMDG groups themselves in many of the country-level orgs (e.g. read the reports on America if you want a taste of this). Include China and Vietnam, you get the former. Exclude them, you get the latter. So the one large-scale, comprehensive, Western data source that has to avoid propaganda (or if anything, would skew the other way) accidentally declares Vietnam and China as the one hope for humanity's future. TBH I think that's a ridiculously dramatic and absurdly unbalanced take, but that's what the West has to say when it's just nakedly spouting the "has there been progress" numbers and turning the numeric change into utopian (or dystopian) narratives. So who are the baddies here? In the only place we're totally data-bound and forced to be honest (thanks to how UNMDG is gathered), we seem to think it's us. I've reached a point where, their flaws aside, I'm wholeheartedly in favor of China replacing America as the global hegemon, for so many reasons (and I haven't even gone into foreign policy here...e.g. the beloved Latin American pink wave was dependent on Chinese intervention). It really wasn't easy admitting this, but if I want to stay objective, data-driven, and science-oriented, I just don't see what other conclusion is reasonable. I'd love to be proven wrong, because it flies so strongly in the face of everything I thought intuitively and was raised to believe, but so far no one has managed it. For the most part every attempt I've seen to debunk it either: 1. lists a bunch of actually-evil atrocities that amount to lower-key versions of evil s* done in the West, which doesn't do anything besides bolster my point that while it's an improvement, there are no utopias, and a future with no nations is essential; 2. points at bottom-up violence occurring in the context of the original revolution (Like no s*? Hear what happened when capitalism started going global - i.e. the French Revolution and Napoleonic Wars?); 3. spouts a bunch of racist crap; 4. makes weird appeals to "freedom" that make less and less sense as surveillance capitalism eats more and more of our lives and mass incarceration levels in the West continue to massively outpace China's; or 5. Temporarily invents a new standard of morality that gets solely applied to China - e.g. "sounds like imperialism to me - forcing all those people out of absolute poverty without even finding out if that's what they want" (except they do, they just use polling instead of electoralism...and literally no one wants absolute poverty, and anyone who thinks anyone possibly could has zero understanding of the concept). --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:956791223] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Honestly, the more stupid non-reasons I run into for why China should be s* on, the less I trust any of it, and the more it all comes across as a big whiny toddler tantrum from the capitalist bloc as the one remaining economic system that tries to look after its people slowly destroys neoliberalism from within in slow-motion. Here's why: there's really only one credible, large-scale, non-partisan data set that lets you objectively compare China to the rest of the world (and examine the world on the whole) - the UN Millenium Development Goals (UNMDG) dataset (reason: look at how the data is gathered). It's widely accepted, and beloved by leftists, social liberals, liberals/centrists, neoliberals, and even neocons alike...and it portrays China as a miraculous success story representing (numerically) the largest expansion of human rights in the entire history of humanity. And this isn't even as hyperbolic as the biggest fans of it get (the Gates Foundation is notorious for this): they seem to love releasing little reports on the data, full of over-the-top dramatizations about the ascent of the human race, dusting off the shackles of past economic oppression and walking hand-in-hand into a bright, technologically advanced, post-scarcity future, united as one great race...the human race, ready to start truly exploring the galaxy together. There's even an entire genre of books about this e.g. Better Angels of Our Nature, Enlightenment Now, Homo Deus, Sapiens. And my little depiction of their content isn't even close to as breathless and giddy some parts of this genre get. Except...everyone tends to dance around this very inconvenient detail in the data: that if you pull China and Vietnam out of the dataset, that rosy progress narrative is completely inverted. Suddenly, UNMDG paints a dark, miserable, and bleak picture of humanity on the decline and civilization slowly collapsing, as poverty skyrockets around the world, living standards drop, and climate change threatens to snip the last thread so many long-suffering people in the global south clutch for dear life...and meanwhile the little islands of stability in the imperialist core (which are responsible for this sorry state) turn colonialism inward, slowly eating their own citizens alive to the point that deaths from sheer despair start reversing the centuries-running rise in life expectancy. You'll find the second narrative in individual country reports from groups like Amnesty International, and even the UNMDG groups themselves in many of the country-level orgs (e.g. read the reports on America if you want a taste of this). Include China and Vietnam, you get the former. Exclude them, you get the latter. So the one large-scale, comprehensive, Western data source that has to avoid propaganda (or if anything, would skew the other way) accidentally declares Vietnam and China as the one hope for humanity's future. TBH I think that's a ridiculously dramatic and absurdly unbalanced take, but that's what the West has to say when it's just nakedly spouting the "has there been progress" numbers and turning the numeric change into utopian (or dystopian) narratives. So who are the baddies here? In the only place we're totally data-bound and forced to be honest (thanks to how UNMDG is gathered), we seem to think it's us. I've reached a point where, their flaws aside, I'm wholeheartedly in favor of China replacing America as the global hegemon, for so many reasons (and I haven't even gone into foreign policy here...e.g. the beloved Latin American pink wave was dependent on Chinese intervention). It really wasn't easy admitting this, but if I want to stay objective, data-driven, and science-oriented, I just don't see what other conclusion is reasonable. I'd love to be proven wrong, because it flies so strongly in the face of everything I thought intuitively and was raised to believe, but so far no one has managed it. For the most part every attempt I've seen to debunk it either: 1. lists a bunch of actually-evil atrocities that amount to lower-key versions of evil s* done in the West, which doesn't do anything besides bolster my point that while it's an improvement, there are no utopias, and a future with no nations is essential; 2. points at bottom-up violence occurring in the context of the original revolution (Like no s*? Hear what happened when capitalism started going global - i.e. the French Revolution and Napoleonic Wars?); 3. spouts a bunch of racist crap; 4. makes weird appeals to "freedom" that make less and less sense as surveillance capitalism eats more and more of our lives and mass incarceration levels in the West continue to massively outpace China's; or 5. Temporarily invents a new standard of morality that gets solely applied to China - e.g. "sounds like imperialism to me - forcing all those people out of absolute poverty without even finding out if that's what they want" (except they do, they just use polling instead of electoralism...and literally no one wants absolute poverty, and anyone who thinks anyone possibly could has zero understanding of the concept). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 08/05/21 1:41:56 AM #77:	Shablagoo posted... 70% of Chinese millennials are homeowners. https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/7/28/in-its-latest-crackdown-china-intensifies-focus-on-real-estate Weird why is the government cracking down on it to avoid social unrest according to a non-Western source? Or how about a Chinese source? https://www.scmp.com/economy/global-economy/article/3135190/china-population-millennial-couples-decry-unaffordable --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:956791226] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>70% of Chinese millennials are homeowners.</quote> https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/7/28/in-its-latest-crackdown-china-intensifies-focus-on-real-estate Weird why is the government cracking down on it to avoid social unrest according to a non-Western source? Or how about a Chinese source? https://www.scmp.com/economy/global-economy/article/3135190/china-population-millennial-couples-decry-unaffordable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Teh_Dr_Phil 08/05/21 1:43:15 AM #78:	Shezarr posted... https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/ Why are you passing this off as your own post holy shit lmfao pls respond @Shablagoo --- Yep. <cite>Teh_Dr_Phil posted [p:956791246] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Shezarr posted... </cite> <quote>https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/ Why are you passing this off as your own post</quote>holy shit lmfao pls respond @Shablagoo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lonestar2000 08/05/21 1:43:59 AM #79:	LMAO @ thinking China isn't imperialist. --- Rumble Roses. Someone enters the room. Them: O_O Me: What?! I always play games without my pants on!- Inmate 922335 #ImpeachToadDickTrump <cite>Lonestar2000 posted [p:956791261] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>LMAO @ thinking China isn't imperialist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Teh_Dr_Phil 08/05/21 1:46:33 AM #80:	Shablagoo posted... More asinine lies, as expected. Lol youre literally a white neckbeard. Where are the lies.jpeg --- Yep. <cite>Teh_Dr_Phil posted [p:956791302] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>More asinine lies, as expected. </quote>Lol youre literally a white neckbeard. Where are the lies.jpeg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 08/05/21 1:50:57 AM #81:	Lonestar2000 posted... LMAO @ thinking China isn't imperialist. They really arent. The largest empire on Earth (U.S.) likes to say they are as projection but every global south country China is involved with is thanking them for their help in developing infrastructure. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:956791361] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Lonestar2000 posted... </cite> <quote>LMAO @ thinking China isn't imperialist.</quote> They really arent. The largest empire on Earth (U.S.) likes to say they are as projection but every global south country China is involved with is thanking them for their help in developing infrastructure. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shezarr 08/05/21 2:00:16 AM #82:	Teh_Dr_Phil posted... holy shit lmfao pls respond @Shablagoo He did. He just said I posted a genocide denial source and he was marking me for it ?????? --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 <cite>Shezarr posted [p:956791530] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Teh_Dr_Phil posted... </cite> <quote>holy shit lmfao pls respond @Shablagoo</quote>He did. He just said I posted a genocide denial source and he was marking me for it ?????? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 08/05/21 2:07:06 AM #83:	The US commits genocide, so why is it so hard to accept China doing the same? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:956791606] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>The US commits genocide, so why is it so hard to accept China doing the same? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heliogabalus 08/05/21 2:31:39 AM #84:	Hey There, TC. How do you feel about the death toll of the Great Leap Forward? --- An anthropophagus on Mars <cite>Heliogabalus posted [p:956791883] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Hey There, TC. How do you feel about the death toll of the Great Leap Forward? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 08/05/21 2:41:00 AM #85:	Shablagoo posted... The CPC has 95% approval from its citizens. kim jong un won with 100% of the vote and 100% of citizens voted... I get what this topic is all about, but come on now lol --- I do not receive notifications, so using the @ feature will not do anything. I might see your post and respond though if I have already been in the topic. <cite>Machete posted [p:956791980] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>The CPC has 95% approval from its citizens. </quote> kim jong un won with 100% of the vote and 100% of citizens voted... I get what this topic is all about, but come on now lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lonestar2000 08/05/21 2:57:19 AM #86:	Shablagoo posted... They really arent. The largest empire on Earth (U.S.) likes to say they are as projection but every global south country China is involved with is thanking them for their help in developing infrastructure. Spratly Islands Debt-trapping countries with Belt and Road projects. --- Rumble Roses. Someone enters the room. Them: O_O Me: What?! I always play games without my pants on!- Inmate 922335 #ImpeachToadDickTrump <cite>Lonestar2000 posted [p:956792144] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>They really arent. The largest empire on Earth (U.S.) likes to say they are as projection but every global south country China is involved with is thanking them for their help in developing infrastructure.</quote>Spratly Islands Debt-trapping countries with Belt and Road projects. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
deanshow 08/05/21 2:59:45 AM #87:	Shablagoo posted... They really arent. The largest empire on Earth (U.S.) likes to say they are as projection but every global south country China is involved with is thanking them for their help in developing infrastructure. The Philippines wasn't too happy with them --- Will not change this sig until Tommy Wiseau wins an Oscar (Started 12-21-2014) <cite>deanshow posted [p:956792165] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>They really arent. The largest empire on Earth (U.S.) likes to say they are as projection but every global south country China is involved with is thanking them for their help in developing infrastructure.</quote>The Philippines wasn't too happy with them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DandyQuackShot 08/05/21 3:03:47 AM #88:	This topic is now about everything banned in China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China --- https://youtu.be/Hjl1h2a-MBE <cite>DandyQuackShot posted [p:956792196] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>This topic is now about everything banned in China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRadiant 08/05/21 3:20:32 AM #89:	Wow --- She/her <cite>TheRadiant posted [p:956792371] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Wow </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 08/05/21 3:56:09 AM #90:	Tankies believe that the Chinese government is just gonna relinquish power and transition to socialism one day It's really poisoned the well on the entire discussion about communism, which is a damn shame --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:956792779] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Tankies believe that the Chinese government is just gonna relinquish power and transition to socialism one day It's really poisoned the well on the entire discussion about communism, which is a damn shame </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrowaBarton7 08/05/21 4:07:42 AM #91:	Fun fact: trade with U.S. and China is booming so hard right now that the pandemic and Trump's trade war had zero effect: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-22/u-s-china-goods-trade-booms-as-if-virus-tariffs-never-happened China and the U.S. are shipping goods to each other at the briskest pace in years, making the worlds largest bilateral trade relationship look as if the protracted tariff war and pandemic never happened. Eighteen months after the Trump administration signed the trade deal, the agreement has turned out to be a truce at best. The U.S. trade deficit hasnt shrunk, most levies are still in place, and it hasnt led to negotiations over other economic issues. And yet, bilateral trade in goods is an area of stability in a relationship that has otherwise continued to deteriorate, with rising tension over Hong Kong, Taiwan, human rights, the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic, accusations of computer hacking and many other flashpoints. --- I am Iron Man <cite>TrowaBarton7 posted [p:956792881] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Fun fact: trade with U.S. and China is booming so hard right now that the pandemic and Trump's trade war had zero effect: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-22/u-s-china-goods-trade-booms-as-if-virus-tariffs-never-happened <quote>China and the U.S. are shipping goods to each other at the briskest pace in years, making the worlds largest bilateral trade relationship look as if the protracted tariff war and pandemic never happened. Eighteen months after the Trump administration signed the trade deal, the agreement has turned out to be a truce at best. The U.S. trade deficit hasnt shrunk, most levies are still in place, and it hasnt led to negotiations over other economic issues. And yet, bilateral trade in goods is an area of stability in a relationship that has otherwise continued to deteriorate, with rising tension over Hong Kong, Taiwan, human rights, the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic, accusations of computer hacking and many other flashpoints.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModLogic 08/05/21 4:22:09 AM #92:	David1988 posted... bro why not just be critical of both the US and the CCP? --- https://youtu.be/l-iLiNCScno https://imgur.com/ZngbqJn https://imgur.com/lbSi0U3 https://imgur.com/xaRYKZM <cite>ModLogic posted [p:956793010] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>David1988 posted... </cite> <quote>bro why not just be critical of both the US and the CCP?</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 08/05/21 4:50:10 AM #93:	ssjevot posted... Bro I've lived in China, most of my family is in China, I know Chinese. You are some dude in the US who thinks he is an expert because he reads propaganda on Reddit. You say ignorant shit constantly even Wu Mao don't claim. Nationalism replaced socialism long ago. You don't get the most millionaires and billionaires in the world with a PPP GDP median income of $17,000 through any system other than capitalism. Like you have zero concept of the massive income inequality and lack of social safety nets or workers rights in China yet you think it's some kind of utopia. If you actually went there you would at least stop pretending it isn't capitalist (the Chinese government itself says it is capitalist). This aligns with what I've heard from first hand sources. Shab you really don't know as much as you think you do. America and China have both done good and bad for their people and for other people. They are two sides of the same coin. The main difference as far as I'm concerned is that China hasn't unleashed murder armies on foreign countries. --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:956793245] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted... </cite> <quote>Bro I've lived in China, most of my family is in China, I know Chinese. You are some dude in the US who thinks he is an expert because he reads propaganda on Reddit. You say ignorant shit constantly even Wu Mao don't claim. Nationalism replaced socialism long ago. You don't get the most millionaires and billionaires in the world with a PPP GDP median income of $17,000 through any system other than capitalism. Like you have zero concept of the massive income inequality and lack of social safety nets or workers rights in China yet you think it's some kind of utopia. If you actually went there you would at least stop pretending it isn't capitalist (the Chinese government itself says it is capitalist).</quote> This aligns with what I've heard from first hand sources. Shab you really don't know as much as you think you do. America and China have both done good and bad for their people and for other people. They are two sides of the same coin. The main difference as far as I'm concerned is that China hasn't unleashed murder armies on foreign countries. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 08/05/21 4:53:40 AM #94:	Lonestar2000 posted... Debt-trapping countries with Belt and Road projects. Again, this is a myth opposed even by prestigious western researchers: https://www.chathamhouse.org/2020/08/debunking-myth-debt-trap-diplomacy Machete posted... kim jong un won with 100% of the vote and 100% of citizens voted... I get what this topic is all about, but come on now lol Bro we can chat about this or not but I do critically support the DPRK. Ilishe posted... The main difference as far as I'm concerned is that China hasn't unleashed murder armies on foreign countries. Yes Id agree dat is one of da main differences. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:956793272] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Lonestar2000 posted... </cite> <quote>Debt-trapping countries with Belt and Road projects.</quote> Again, this is a myth opposed even by prestigious western researchers: https://www.chathamhouse.org/2020/08/debunking-myth-debt-trap-diplomacy Machete posted... </cite> <quote>kim jong un won with 100% of the vote and 100% of citizens voted... I get what this topic is all about, but come on now lol</quote> Bro we can chat about this or not but I do critically support the DPRK. Ilishe posted... </cite> <quote> The main difference as far as I'm concerned is that China hasn't unleashed murder armies on foreign countries.</quote> Yes Id agree dat is one of da main differences. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 08/05/21 5:01:21 AM #96:	You know, I never did get an answer about whether Alexander Dubek was a secret fascist or not. That topic conveniently purged. --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:956793341] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>You know, I never did get an answer about whether Alexander Dubek was a secret fascist or not. That topic conveniently purged.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 08/05/21 5:51:48 AM #97:	Ilishe posted... The main difference as far as I'm concerned is that China hasn't unleashed murder armies on foreign countries. Depends on how you feel about them annexing other countries, but then you also have: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War China, now under Deng Xiaoping, was starting the Chinese economic reform and opening trade with the West, in turn, growing increasingly defiant of the Soviet Union. On November 3, 1978, the Soviet Union and Vietnam signed a 25-year mutual defense treaty, which made Vietnam the "linchpin" in the Soviet Union's "drive to contain China."[50] However, the Soviet Union had shifted from open animosity towards more normalized relations with China soon after.[51] On January 1, 1979, Chinese Vice-premier Deng Xiaoping visited the United States for the first time and told American president Jimmy Carter: "The little child is getting naughty, it's time he got spanked." (original Chinese words: ).[52] On February 15, the first day that China could have officially announced the termination of the 1950 Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship, Alliance and Mutual Assistance, Deng Xiaoping declared that China planned to conduct a limited attack on Vietnam. The reason cited for the attack was to support China's ally, the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia, in addition to the mistreatment of Vietnam's ethnic Chinese minority and the Vietnamese occupation of the Spratly Islands which were claimed by China. To prevent Soviet intervention on Vietnam's behalf, Deng warned Moscow the next day that China was prepared for a full-scale war against the Soviet Union; in preparation for this conflict, China put all of its troops along the Sino-Soviet border on an emergency war alert, set up a new military command in Xinjiang, and even evacuated an estimated 300,000 civilians from the Sino-Soviet border.[53] In addition, the bulk of China's active forces (as many as one-and-a-half million troops) were stationed along China's border with the Soviet Union.[54] What's weird is tankies just pretend the Sino-Soviet split never happened or support revisionist US ally Dengist China over the Soviet Union or claim the Soviet Union was revisionist. This whole period is awkward for them though because again China supported Pinochet. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:956793832] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Ilishe posted... </cite> <quote> The main difference as far as I'm concerned is that China hasn't unleashed murder armies on foreign countries.</quote> Depends on how you feel about them annexing other countries, but then you also have: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War China, now under Deng Xiaoping, was starting the Chinese economic reform and opening trade with the West, in turn, growing increasingly defiant of the Soviet Union. On November 3, 1978, the Soviet Union and Vietnam signed a 25-year mutual defense treaty, which made Vietnam the "linchpin" in the Soviet Union's "drive to contain China."[50] However, the Soviet Union had shifted from open animosity towards more normalized relations with China soon after.[51] On January 1, 1979, Chinese Vice-premier Deng Xiaoping visited the United States for the first time and told American president Jimmy Carter: "The little child is getting naughty, it's time he got spanked." (original Chinese words: ).[52] On February 15, the first day that China could have officially announced the termination of the 1950 Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship, Alliance and Mutual Assistance, Deng Xiaoping declared that China planned to conduct a limited attack on Vietnam. The reason cited for the attack was to support China's ally, the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia, in addition to the mistreatment of Vietnam's ethnic Chinese minority and the Vietnamese occupation of the Spratly Islands which were claimed by China. To prevent Soviet intervention on Vietnam's behalf, Deng warned Moscow the next day that China was prepared for a full-scale war against the Soviet Union; in preparation for this conflict, China put all of its troops along the Sino-Soviet border on an emergency war alert, set up a new military command in Xinjiang, and even evacuated an estimated 300,000 civilians from the Sino-Soviet border.[53] In addition, the bulk of China's active forces (as many as one-and-a-half million troops) were stationed along China's border with the Soviet Union.[54] What's weird is tankies just pretend the Sino-Soviet split never happened or support revisionist US ally Dengist China over the Soviet Union or claim the Soviet Union was revisionist. This whole period is awkward for them though because again China supported Pinochet. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lonestar2000 08/05/21 7:14:37 AM #98:	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_expansionism#Modern_Chinese_expansionism --- Rumble Roses. Someone enters the room. Them: O_O Me: What?! I always play games without my pants on!- Inmate 922335 #ImpeachToadDickTrump <cite>Lonestar2000 posted [p:956794729] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_expansionism#Modern_Chinese_expansionism </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Goatsensation 08/05/21 7:30:54 AM #99:	Lonestar2000 posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_expansionism#Modern_Chinese_expansionism Hey lonestar. What's up with you blocking people? Not saying there is anything wrong with it, just wondering if there is a reason it's so large? (and why I'm presumably exempt) --- Metallica da GOAT band he/him <cite>Goatsensation posted [p:956794933] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>Lonestar2000 posted... </cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_expansionism#Modern_Chinese_expansionism</quote> Hey lonestar. What's up with you blocking people? Not saying there is anything wrong with it, just wondering if there is a reason it's so large? (and why I'm presumably exempt) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrKapowski 08/05/21 10:15:34 AM #101:	TC shilling for the CCP, must be a day ending in day --- So! You want to hear a story, eh? <cite>MrKapowski posted [p:956798045] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>TC shilling for the CCP, must be a day ending in day </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
limp-bizkit-89 08/05/21 10:42:22 AM #102:	MrKapowski posted... TC shilling for the CCP, must be a day ending in day I heard he wasnt always like that? My theory is he went homeless (which he is exaggerating, he was living with his parents) and then found a job shilling for the CCP, they probably pay some Americans to shill --- Keep Rollin Rollin Rollin (yeah!) <cite>limp-bizkit-89 posted [p:956798708] in MRW viciou... [t:79599193]...</cite> <quote>MrKapowski posted... </cite> <quote>TC shilling for the CCP, must be a day ending in day</quote> I heard he wasnt always like that? My theory is he went homeless (which he is exaggerating, he was living with his parents) and then found a job shilling for the CCP, they probably pay some Americans to shill </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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