Current Events > MRW vicious imperialist cretins hate on me for supporting China:

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bro why not just be critical of both the US and the CCP?

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I trash on US imperialism all the time and still hate on you for supporting genocide.

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But you dont just support China. You support genocide. Dont try to dress it up lmao

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Yeah I get it. There's a lot of cretins on Ce with questionable takes.
But dude, China is genociding people rn and that's nothing to gimmick about

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Shezarr posted...

I trash on US imperialism

You tacitly support it by relentlessly demonizinng socialists, no matter your lip service.

David1988 posted...

bro why not just be critical of both the US and the CCP?

I am.

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Shablagoo posted...

You tacitly support it by relentlessly demonizinng socialists, no matter your lip service.

I wasn't aware the opposite of socialism was imperialism.

Also,

Shablagoo posted...

I am.

No you aren't lmao

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Now, a quick reminder that Shab insists he has never used reddit and this isn't his account, but:






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Teh_Dr_Phil posted...

But you dont just support China. You support genocide. Dont try to dress it up lmao

This, /topic.

Shezarr posted...

Now, a quick reminder that Shab insists he has never used reddit and this isn't his account, but:

Damn got him good bro, bring this up next time he brings up this topic

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Shezarr posted...

I wasn't aware the opposite of socialism was imperialism.

I wouldnt necessarily say deyre exact opposites but socialism is certainly diametrically opposed to imperialism.

Shezarr posted...

Also,

No you aren't lmao

What makes you love to lie?

Shezarr posted...

Now, a quick reminder that Shab insists he has never used reddit

Ah, so you just ignore reality. I told you days ago that Ive started visiting Reddit.

Teh_Dr_Phil posted...

You support genocide.

Stop lying about me.

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Shablagoo posted...

Ah, so you just ignore reality. I told you days ago that Ive started visiting Reddit.

Yes, you claim that you "started visiting reddit after I showed you those screenshots that totally aren't from you"

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Shablagoo posted...

What makes you love to lie?

Someone who supports a regime's genocidal efforts is not critical of said regime

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Chinese people are great and their culture is incredible.

With that being said, fuck the CCP.

Taiwan #1

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Lathissamus posted...

Chinese people are great and their culture is incredible.

With that being said, fuck the CCP.

The CPC has 95% approval from its citizens. So, lets address what youre really trying to say as you attempt to couch it in shadowy, dog-whistle-esque language, hmm?


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Shablagoo posted...

The CPC has 95% approval from its citizens. So, lets address what youre really trying to say as you attempt to couch it in shadowy, dog-whistle-esque language, hmm?

Where'd you get that statistic? From the CCP?

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Shablagoo posted...

The CPC has 95% approval from its citizens. So, lets address what youre really trying to say as you attempt to couch it in shadowy, dog-whistle-esque language, hmm?

you dont think those numbers as inflated at all or state propaganda? The US has state propaganda convincing the public how were a legit democracy and the freest country in the world, doesnt mean its true.

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I wonder if you even know the history of the Chinese "government."

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Stop lying about me

lmao brodo you think people arent aware of your posting history or something?

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If the mods around here were paying attention, Shab would get banned for this sort of BS.

pfh1001 posted...

If the mods around here were paying attention, Shab would get banned for this sort of BS.

He's been suspended 2-3 times for it

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Shezarr posted...

Now, a quick reminder that Shab insists he has never used reddit and this isn't his account, but:

@Shablagoo got anything to say?


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Lathissamus posted...

Where'd you get that statistic? From the CCP?

Long-term, unbiased study by a western university and research center, actually. Namely, Harvard:

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/

Lathissamus posted...

I wonder if you even know the history of the Chinese "government."

Very much so.

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Shablagoo posted...

Long-term, unbiased study by a western university and research center, actually. Namely, Harvard:

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/

Very much so.

"purposive stratified sample"
by an outside source, after admitting that getting public opinion not scrutinized by the CCP was very difficult.

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He didn't read his own source:
"Compared to the relatively high satisfaction rates with Beijing, respondents held considerably less favorable views toward local government. At the township level, the lowest level of government surveyed, only 11.3 percent of respondents reported that they were very satisfied.
Again, the U.S. reveals quite a different story. American trust surveys over time show a clear distinction between low levels of trust towards the federal government, but a strong belief and faith in the power of local government at the most local level, those positions may be filled by part-time volunteers who are a part of your everyday life, said Cunningham. This dichotomy is highlighted by a 2017 Gallup poll, where 70 percent of U.S. respondents had a great or fair amount of trust in local government."

That's how the Chinese government operates. The corruption is systemic and flows from the top down, but they always blame the local government and scapegoat them (this was done in Wuhan last year). It's a good strategy for managing opinion to the central government but doesn't work out for the actual people since the corrupt officials just get replaced with more central government loyalists who are no better than the previous ones.

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limp-bizkit-89 posted...

@Shablagoo got anything to say?

guess notnlol

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Shablagoo posted...

Long-term, unbiased study by a western university and research center, actually. Namely, Harvard:

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/07/long-term-survey-reveals-chinese-government-satisfaction/

Very interesting article, I like how they put it into perspective why they believe the Chinese pople have an overwhelming positive perception of their government:

Although state censorship and propaganda are widespread in China, these findings highlight that citizen perceptions of governmental performance respond most to real, measurable changes in individuals material well-being. Satisfaction and support must be consistently reinforced. As a result, the data point to specific areas in which citizen satisfaction could decline in todays era of slowing economic growth and continued environmental degradation.

For Cunningham, its important not to forget that many in China are only a generation removed from an era of chronic food shortages and significant social and economic instability. Relative perspective is always important, as China is still a developing country, he said.

We tend to forget that for many in China, and in their lived experience of the past four decades, each day was better than the next, Saich added. Our surveys show that many in China therefore seem to be much more satisfied with government performance over time, despite rising inequality, corruption, and a range of other pressures that are the result of the reform era.

Chinese support for the CCP is understandable in this context, but does that mean its racist of me to say the CCP is a totalitarian regime that routinely infringes on basic human rights?


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The people of China have had incredible success overthrowing corrupt local bureaucrats.

Though it came as a shock to Western audiences, who understand China to be a tyrannical state-capitalist authoritarian regime, observers in the imperial periphery have always seen things rather differently. As far back as 2004, Fidel Castro argued that China has objectively become the most promising hope and the best example for all Third World countries, and in August 2014, he reaffirmed this sanguine outlook: Xi Jinping is one of the strongest and most capable revolutionary leaders I have met in my life. In May 2018, Professor Yanis Varoufakis, former Greek Minister of Finance, assuaged an anxious member of the audience at a Cambridge Forum: I have to tell you that, from my understanding of China, its a very interesting social experiment, in the sense that at the local level or the regional level you now have a boisterous democracy, with popular success stories in overthrowing local authorities, local bureaucrats who have been corrupt.

Later that same year, before his 2019 ouster in a US-backed coup, Evo Morales said I trust China very much. China has always accompanied us in many of our aspirations in the social, cultural, political and economic spheres and that Chinas support and aid to Bolivias economic and social development never attaches any political conditions. In 2020 the former Liberian Minister for Public Works W. Gyude Moore bluntly wrote China has built more infrastructure in Africa in two decades than the West has in centuries, China is also our friend, and in 2021 Iran signed a 25-year cooperation agreement with China.

Despite the vehement insistence of Western punditry, world consensus against Chinas tyranny fails to materialize.

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Shablagoo posted...

The people of China have had incredible success overthrowing corrupt local bureaucrats.

Though it came as a shock to Western audiences, who understand China to be a tyrannical state-capitalist authoritarian regime, observers in the imperial periphery have always seen things rather differently. As far back as 2004, Fidel Castro argued that China has objectively become the most promising hope and the best example for all Third World countries, and in August 2014, he reaffirmed this sanguine outlook: Xi Jinping is one of the strongest and most capable revolutionary leaders I have met in my life. In May 2018, Professor Yanis Varoufakis, former Greek Minister of Finance, assuaged an anxious member of the audience at a Cambridge Forum: I have to tell you that, from my understanding of China, its a very interesting social experiment, in the sense that at the local level or the regional level you now have a boisterous democracy, with popular success stories in overthrowing local authorities, local bureaucrats who have been corrupt.

Later that same year, before his 2019 ouster in a US-backed coup, Evo Morales said I trust China very much. China has always accompanied us in many of our aspirations in the social, cultural, political and economic spheres and that Chinas support and aid to Bolivias economic and social development never attaches any political conditions. In 2020 the former Liberian Minister for Public Works W. Gyude Moore bluntly wrote China has built more infrastructure in Africa in two decades than the West has in centuries, China is also our friend, and in 2021 Iran signed a 25-year cooperation agreement with China.

Despite the vehement insistence of Western punditry, world consensus against Chinas tyranny fails to materialize.

https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/

Why are you passing this off as your own post

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Shezarr posted...

https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/

Why are you passing this off as your own post

lmao REKT again

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Why are you posting an article that denies genocide? Tagged appropriately.

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China is the modern day analogue to Nazi Germany on the world stage, and sooner or later we will have to reckon with them, we being the US, and our friendly allies in the U.N. for all the good that will do.

As far as their genociding, it's indefensible but ultimately it does not count for much. If it did, we and/or other nations would have long since intervened.

All nations have their sins and most seek to deny them. However we are not bound to uphold deflections and denials so we can be frank about them, U.S. and China included.

Are you American, OP?

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Shablagoo posted...

Why are you posting an article that denies genocide? Tagged appropriately.

The article I posted is where you copy/pasted your post from, genocide denier

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Bro I've lived in China, most of my family is in China, I know Chinese. You are some dude in the US who thinks he is an expert because he reads propaganda on Reddit. You say ignorant shit constantly even Wu Mao don't claim. Nationalism replaced socialism long ago. You don't get the most millionaires and billionaires in the world with a PPP GDP median income of $17,000 through any system other than capitalism. Like you have zero concept of the massive income inequality and lack of social safety nets or workers rights in China yet you think it's some kind of utopia. If you actually went there you would at least stop pretending it isn't capitalist (the Chinese government itself says it is capitalist).

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_Angel_ posted...

China is the modern day analogue to Nazi Germany on the world stage, and sooner or later we will have to reckon with them, we being the US, and our friendly allies in the U.N. for all the good that will do.

Again I ask, how? China has a nuclear stockpile and will use it if they feel their future is at stake (like if America tried an actual invasion.)
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Duncanwii posted...

Again I ask, how? China has a nuclear stockpile and will use it if they feel their future is at stake (like if America tried an actual invasion.)

I'm sorry, but from what I have heard of you, you are ill suited to discuss matters like this.

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ssjevot posted...

Bro I've lived in China, most of my family is in China, I know Chinese. You are some dude in the US who thinks he is an expert because he reads propaganda on Reddit. You say ignorant shit constantly even Wu Mao don't claim. Nationalism replaced socialism long ago. You don't get the most millionaires and billionaires in the world with a PPP GDP median income of $17,000 through any system other than capitalism. Like you have zero concept of the massive income inequality and lack of social safety nets or workers rights in China yet you think it's some kind of utopia. If you actually went there you would at least stop pretending it isn't capitalist (the Chinese government itself says it is capitalist).

/topic

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when you're not imperialist

ssjevot posted...

Bro I've lived in China, most of my family is in China, I know Chinese. You are some dude in the US who thinks he is an expert because he reads propaganda on Reddit. You say ignorant shit constantly even Wu Mao don't claim. Nationalism replaced socialism long ago. You don't get the most millionaires and billionaires in the world with a PPP GDP median income of $17,000 through any system other than capitalism. Like you have zero concept of the massive income inequality and lack of social safety nets or workers rights in China yet you think it's some kind of utopia. If you actually went there you would at least stop pretending it isn't capitalist (the Chinese government itself says it is capitalist).

The Dengist reforms were a transition from one strategy for creating communism (centralized state planning and state ownership) to another (liberalization).

Communists dont view capitalism as opposed to socialism, but rather as a stepping block toward socialism similar to the way capitalism evolved from feudalism.

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Me too, they goaded me into using it.

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fuck CHINA
and FUCK CCP

taiwan number 1

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_Angel_ posted...

I'm sorry, but from what I have heard of you, you are ill suited to discuss matters like this.

I'm sorry, does the truth disturb you? A war between any nuclear power will eventually go nuclear. It isnt a matter of if, it's a matter of when.
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

when you're not imperialist

even western sources call your claim of Chinese imperialism a lie:

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2020/08/debunking-myth-debt-trap-diplomacy

not that anyone reasonable here should consider anything you post to be anything else.

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Mongolia actually lucked out. The Soviets propped it up because Stalin originally supported the nationalists over the communists (he didn't like Mao). Later the Sino-Soviet split left China moving toward relations with the US and a lot of very weird proxy wars where China and the US were in one side with the Soviets on the other or the Soviets and US on one side against China. China actually supported Pinochet and the coup in Chile. The thing with geopolitics is that imperialist powers don't actually care what your ideology is. Just what they can gain from having you on their side.

Mongolia is still in a very precarious spot. Inner Mongolia is still controlled by China and they are cracking down on the Mongolian language and culture. China also still has the currently dormant claim to all of Mongolia. I wouldn't be surprised to see them get annexed in the near future.

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Shablagoo posted...

Communists dont view capitalism as opposed to socialism, but rather as a stepping block toward socialism similar to the way capitalism evolved from feudalism.

Imagine being so far down the Tankie rabbithole you actually start posting: Communists dont view capitalism as opposed to socialism

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when the post said absolutely nothing about debt-trap diplomacy but your BAC is high enough that everything you read is just a blur

ssjevot posted...

Bro I've lived in China, most of my family is in China, I know Chinese. You are some dude in the US who thinks he is an expert because he reads propaganda on Reddit. You say ignorant shit constantly even Wu Mao don't claim. Nationalism replaced socialism long ago. You don't get the most millionaires and billionaires in the world with a PPP GDP median income of $17,000 through any system other than capitalism. Like you have zero concept of the massive income inequality and lack of social safety nets or workers rights in China yet you think it's some kind of utopia. If you actually went there you would at least stop pretending it isn't capitalist (the Chinese government itself says it is capitalist).

So this dude really is some american white boy or something?


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Imagine having never read theory but still feeling the confidence to speak obnoxiously on it.

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_Angel_ posted...

So this dude really is some american white boy or something?

most tankies are