Current Events > Nyc expected to require proof of vaccination for indoor dining, gyms

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SauI_Goodman posted...

I just took a picture of mine. I aint carrying that thing around everywhere.

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Bleuets posted...

This is basically systematic racism and it makes me sick to my stomach.

Shut the fuck up.

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ZMythos posted...

Shut the fuck up.

come make me big boy

hockeybub89 posted...

I sure hope you don't wear a seatbelt. Who is the government to tell you to protect yourself in your own car? You have personal beliefs and no liberals are gonna take them away from you and save you from yourself.

Not really the best comparison. Wearing a seatbelt doesn't give me a chance of facing severe, debilitating reactions that sometimes even lead to death (although rare). Wearing a seatbelt won't cause me to have side effects 5 or 10 years down the road that are unknown. My chances of surviving a car crash also probably aren't 99.7%.

If I didn't feel I needed to wear one, I could always risk the occasional ticket from time to time. Not like there's many traffic cops left anymore to enforce much these days anyways, they're all reallocated to the crime ravaging our cities.

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Bleuets posted...

This is basically systematic racism and it makes me sick to my stomach.

The vaccines are out there and free for all races. There is no logical argument to not get them and absolutely no barriers for anyone of any color, creed, orientation, or financial status.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I sure hope you don't wear a seatbelt.

Can you explain your logic to me? If I dont want the government making a law that requires everyone to wear a seatbelt but they do anyway so that means I shouldnt wear a seatbelt even if I want to? You understand I can desire to wear a seatbelt without simultaneously wanting the government to force everyone wear a seatbelt as well right? Or is that not possible?

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hockeybub89 posted...

The vaccines are out there and free for all races. There is no logical argument to not get them and absolutely no barriers for anyone of any color, creed, orientation, or financial status.

This is just demonstrably false, systemic racism certainly plays a part why certain minority demographics dont have higher rates of vaccination.

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It's more like having turn signals on your car and not using them. They're not there for your safety, they're required by law, and failure to use them could almost certainly lead to the hospitalization and/or death of another person.

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Houston posted...

Not really the best comparison. Wearing a seatbelt doesn't give me a chance of facing severe, debilitating and reactions that sometimes even lead to death (although rare). Wearing a seatbelt won't cause me to have side effects 5 or 10 years down the road that are unknown. My chances of surviving a car crash also probably aren't 99.7%.

"I'm okay with killing hundreds of thousands of people right now because I don't think I'll personally be hurt by COVID. I'm far more worried about the hypothetically possibility that this vaccine is time-delayed bomb that will take out the human race in 10 years. No I don't have any proof yet. "

I guess you don't need to worry about the vaccine given that society will be destroyed if your baseless fears wind up being correct.

Anyway, my point was that laws tell you to do a lot of things that have a less far-reaching consequences than being vaccinated. Public health is not up to the individual. If you want to be consistent, stop wearing your seatbelt and start circumventing every health and safety law in the book.

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David1988 posted...

Can you explain your logic to me? If I dont want the government making a law that requires everyone to wear a seatbelt but they do anyway so that means I shouldnt wear a seatbelt even if I want to? You understand I can desire to wear a seatbelt without simultaneously wanting the government to force everyone wear a seatbelt as well right? Or is that not possible?

Why would you be worried about a car crash? You're not going to choose to be in one, and statistically, you will never die in one.

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mustachedmystic posted...

Whatever, Caution. My question, if/when there is a mandate, will you take it like a man? Or will you bitch about your freedoms, thinking you are like some kind of modern day Patrick Henry?

Oh ffs he's a caution alt? That explains a lot

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hockeybub89 posted...

"I'm okay with killing hundreds of thousands of people right now because I don't think I'll personally be hurt by COVID. I'm far more worried about the hypothetically possibility that this vaccine is time-delayed bomb that will take out the human race in 10 years. No I don't have any proof yet. "

I guess you don't need to worry about the vaccine given that society will be destroyed if your baseless fears wind up being correct.

Anyway, my point was that laws tell you to do a lot of things that have a less far-reaching consequences than being vaccinated. Public health is not up to the individual. If you want to be consistent, stop wearing your seatbelt and start circumventing every health and safety law in the book.

If you believe the information, apparently for the most part the only people being hospitalized are the unvaccinated, who have mostly chosen not to be vaccinated. So why do you care? If you're vaccinated, why do you care? If you can still get sick from a vaccinated person like you can an unvaccinated person, why do you care?

This virus will not destroy our society on its own, our politicians are doing that with their mandates and forced lockdowns.

You got your shot. Wear your mask if you want to or are being forced to because you live in a state where people voted for Democrats. Do whatever you think you need to do to feel like you're protecting yourself --- leave me alone and let me do what I feel like I need to do.


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David1988 posted...

This is just demonstrably false, systemic racism certainly plays a part why certain minority demographics dont have higher rates of vaccination.

They're making terrible leaps in logic that don't line up with the reality of this situation. Bad shit happening in history doesn't prove there's something wrong with worldwide vaccines for a worldwide pandemic. Every pharmacy and every clinic are offering one vaccine for literally everyone. There is no racism here and maybe people that hate black people shouldn't use them as a tool to justify why it's their right to kill millions of people on earth.

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Houston posted...

If you believe the information, apparently for the most part the only people being hospitalized are the unvaccinated, who have mostly chosen not to be vaccinated. So why do you care? If you're vaccinated, why do you care? If you can still get sick from a vaccinated person like you can an unvaccinated person, why do you care?

This virus will not destroy our society on its own, our politicians are doing that with their mandates and forced lockdowns.

You got your shot. Wear your mask if you want to or are being forced to because you live in a state where people voted for Democrats. Do whatever you think you need to do to feel like you're protecting yourself --- leave me alone and let me do what I feel like I need to do.

Conservatives are the stupidest people on this planet Jesus fuck.

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There's no reason to have conversations with antivaxxers at this point.

They've proven to be profoundly stupid individuals who can't be swayed by simple, verifiable facts.

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Will_VIIII posted...

There's no reason to have conversations with antivaxxers at this point.

They've proven to be profoundly stupid individuals who can't be swayed by simple, verifiable facts.

Take a look with the cases in Iceland. 70% fully vaccinated and they're also seeing a big spike in cases. They don't allow outside travel unless you've been vaccinated or have proof of previous infection. I doubt they're getting a bunch of travel to begin with... what is happening over there? Why are people still getting sick? Supposedly 80% vaccinated is the ideal. I doubt if they had 10% more vaccinated their spike would magically go away.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Why would you be worried about a car crash? You're not going to choose to be in one, and statistically, you will never die in one.

Probably same reason why most people are worried about it, because in the unlikely event it happens it can seriously injure me, so I try to mitigate my risk by wearing a seatbelt. I still havent understood your logic though with the seatbelt thing, and I also dont get why you had to make such a false statement that theres absolutely nothing as a barrier with people getting vaccinated, misinformation isnt cool bro

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Dude you're also a MAGA.

MAGAs and antivaxxers both have demonstrated thru don't understand numbers or the passage of time.

Discussion with you is a waste of time.

No reason to even be respectful to these two groups either.

This response was for Houston.

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hockeybub89 posted...

They're making terrible leaps in logic that don't line up with the reality of this situation. Bad shit happening in history doesn't prove there's something wrong with worldwide vaccines for a worldwide pandemic. Every pharmacy and every clinic are offering one vaccine for literally everyone. There is no racism here and maybe people that hate black people shouldn't use them as a tool to justify why it's their right to kill millions of people on earth.

I didnt mean it that way. I meant systemic racism in terms of availability or outreach in neighborhoods with higher minority populations. Obviously systemic racism of the past doesnt mean they shouldnt trust the government with respect to the vaccine.

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Bleuets posted...

This is basically systematic racism and it makes me sick to my stomach.

Selfish assholes are not their own race.

This is why I continue to say MAGAs and antivaxxers (usually one in the same) are profoundly stupid people.

They're trying to equate vaccination status to someone's ethnicity.


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Houston posted...

If you believe the information, apparently for the most part the only people being hospitalized are the unvaccinated, who have mostly chosen not to be vaccinated. So why do you care? If you're vaccinated, why do you care? If you can still get sick from a vaccinated person like you can an unvaccinated person, why do you care?

This virus will not destroy our society on its own, our politicians are doing that with their mandates and forced lockdowns.

You got your shot. Wear your mask if you want to or are being forced to because you live in a state where people voted for Democrats. Do whatever you think you need to do to feel like you're protecting yourself --- leave me alone and let me do what I feel like I need to do.

It doesn't matter what you or I want to do. These choices are not personal. Not being vaccinated allows the virus to mutate and get better at transmission and resistance. When someone, who is generally unvaccinated, gets sick, they go to the hospital, which has finite space, meaning there might not be room for everyone to be saved, whether or not they are even there for COVID symptoms. We do not live in a bubble. We don't get to pretend none of our choices affect anyone else. The vaccine allows everyone to beat this together, rendering it little more than a nuisance, but it requires cooperation.

Would you call it personal choice if you threw out toxic waste in the middle of a public square?

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Collat posted...

Selfish assholes are not their own race.

Apparently according to these prized liberal sources, it's not because of being selfish. I don't buy it, either. But this is what your friends are saying:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-fewer-black-americans-are-getting-the-covid-19-vaccine-no-its-not-hesitancy/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/04/26/989962041/why-black-and-latino-people-still-lag-on-covid-vaccines-and-how-to-fix-it

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/vaccination-rates-lag-communities-color-due-hesitancy-experts/story?id=77272753

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Houston posted...

Apparently according to these prized liberal sources, it's not because of being selfish. I don't buy it, either. But this is what your friends are saying:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-fewer-black-americans-are-getting-the-covid-19-vaccine-no-its-not-hesitancy/

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/04/26/989962041/why-black-and-latino-people-still-lag-on-covid-vaccines-and-how-to-fix-it

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/vaccination-rates-lag-communities-color-due-hesitancy-experts/story?id=77272753

Lol this maniac is making NPR out to be a leftist rag.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Lol this maniac is making NPR out to be a leftist rag.

Lol right? Imagine thinking there could be systemic barriers in minorities getting vaccinated, those people just selfish assholes like rest of the unvaccinated.

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David1988 posted...

Lol right? Imagine thinking there could be systemic barriers in minorities getting vaccinated, those people just selfish assholes like rest of the unvaccinated.

It's definitely a factor. Not that any of this would matter if anyone gave a fuck about other people and mandated the vaccine on everyone

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Houston posted...

But this is what your friends are saying:

I dont know these people.

hockeybub89 posted...

It's definitely a factor. Not that any of this would matter if anyone gave a fuck about other people and mandated the vaccine on everyone

Oh, I couldve sworn you said theres absolutely no barriers for anyone in a prior post, my mistake.

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Collat posted...

I dont know these people.

Ah, well I'm sure if you did, you'd all get along great.

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MAGAs and antivaxxers continue to be willfully ignorant because it's well known vaccine rollout is disproportionate in minority community

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Will_VIIII posted...

MAGAs and antivaxxers continue to be willfully ignorant because it's well known vaccine rollout is disproportionate in minority community

Asians get vaxxed at a way higher rate in NYC than white people

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Houston posted...

Ah, well I'm sure if you did, you'd all get along great.

Still didn't respond to hockey's post #173.


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hockeybub89 posted...

It doesn't matter what you or I want to do. These choices are not personal. Not being vaccinated allows the virus to mutate and get better at transmission and resistance. When someone, who is generally unvaccinated, gets sick, they go to the hospital, which has finite space, meaning there might not be room for everyone to be saved, whether or not they are even there for COVID symptoms. We do not live in a bubble. We don't get to pretend none of our choices affect anyone else. The vaccine allows everyone to beat this together, rendering it little more than a nuisance, but it requires cooperation.

Would you call it personal choice if you threw out toxic waste in the middle of a public square?

There is still a lot that is unknown about COVID-19. The vaccine is still not fully approved. There are people with otherwise healthy immune systems having adverse reactions to the vaccine. Vaccination is a personal choice, especially considering the high survival rate of this virus.

As the link below points out, don't worry about it. You're vaccinated. I personally do not want to take the risk of something else happening when I'm not in an at risk group for death due to COVID.

Are there documented instances where people have died because hospitals could not fulfill emergency situations? Hospitals generally operate on priority status, so I find it hard to imagine someone suffering an emergency is turned away.

I'm sure you can provide plenty of links yourself, but at the end of the day, this is an evolving situation and there is still plenty of unknowns. People have access to the shot if they want it. I'm not taking it.

"The creation of a vaccine for any new virus could also cause additional mutations.

Any virus is going to try to keep changing, so it can continue to spread. For COVID-19, that means well likely see more new variants. Thats natural and expected. Dont be too worried about it, the vaccine should help keep us safe."

https://www.unitypoint.org/article.aspx?id=db428f77-6e61-497b-91ce-1317a3396dd8

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metallica846 posted...

Normally they would never turn anyone away but when the big spikes happen like right now, they literally dont have a choice. Who do you prioritize when you have so many people that need treatment?

Is that happening? If I show up with a life threatening situation or emergency, am I not going to be accommodated? Is there documentation showing that happened in the past or is happening now?

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Houston posted...

Is that happening? If I show up with a life threatening situation or emergency, am I not going to be accommodated?

https://abc17news.com/news/2021/08/04/local-hospitals-had-to-turn-away-patients-because-of-staffing-issues-and-the-rise-in-occupancy-levels/

Blount said the biggest place that patients are turned away is in the ICU because of the special skill set that is required to work in that department and also the limited number of patients that can be cared for at a time because of the acuity level.

In efforts to find other beds for ICU patients, local hospitals have had to look well beyond Mid-Missouri to find an ICU bed for someone. Blount said sometimes this means St. Louis or Kansas City, but depending on their occupancy, other times this has meant Illinois, Iowa or Kansas.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavirus/article252922483.html

Like other hospitals in the Kansas City region, the University of Kansas Health System is turning down transfer patients because its beds are full, setting up a potential crisis, its chief medical officer said Wednesday.

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Houston posted...

There is still a lot that is unknown about COVID-19. The vaccine is still not fully approved. There are people with otherwise healthy immune systems having adverse reactions to the vaccine. Vaccination is a personal choice, especially considering the high survival rate of this virus.

As the link below points out, don't worry about it. You're vaccinated. I personally do not want to take the risk of something else happening when I'm not in an at risk group for death due to COVID.

Are there documented instances where people have died because hospitals could not fulfill emergency situations? Hospitals generally operate on priority status, so I find it hard to imagine someone suffering an emergency is turned away.

I'm sure you can provide plenty of links yourself, but at the end of the day, this is an evolving situation and there is still plenty of unknowns. People have access to the shot if they want it. I'm not taking it.

"The creation of a vaccine for any new virus could also cause additional mutations.

Any virus is going to try to keep changing, so it can continue to spread. For COVID-19, that means well likely see more new variants. Thats natural and expected. Dont be too worried about it, the vaccine should help keep us safe."

https://www.unitypoint.org/article.aspx?id=db428f77-6e61-497b-91ce-1317a3396dd8

"There's a lot of unknowns about COVID-19, but fuck that I'm only worried about the unknowns of the vaccine."

The virus has killed and hurt far more people than the virus, but those numbers don't worry you. The vaccine would have to be the most unique and dangerous one in the history of the world to start hurting millions of people a decade down the road. You're perpetuating the weird lie that they're just shoving unknown substances into syringes and hoping they don't kill everyone. You don't understand what emergency authorization is, or that they have been studying SARS and coronaviruses for 20 years. You aren't even actually thinking for yourself. You just trust the non-experts who tell you to not trust the experts. Your link also says vaccines are safe.

You can stop saying for everyone to worry about themselves when this entire ordeal exists because we refuse to care about anyone more than ourselves. You and I don't actually matter as individuals on this scale. We need to think about the collective.

Hospitals get overrun and how do you prioritize emergencies when you don't have enough people to handle the sheer number of emergencies? I don't know about you, but I hate the idea of causing death penals because selfish people don't care who lives and dies as long as they can feel proud they didn't care about public health because fuck the man.

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hockeybub89 posted...

"There's a lot of unknowns about COVID-19, but fuck that I'm only worried about the unknowns of the vaccine."

The virus has killed and hurt far more people than the virus, but those numbers don't worry you. The vaccine would have to be the most unique and dangerous one in the history of the world to start hurting millions of people a decade down the road. You're perpetuating the weird lie that they're just shoving unknown substances into syringes and hoping they don't kill everyone. You don't understand what emergency authorization is, or that they have been studying SARS and coronaviruses for 20 years. You aren't even actually thinking for yourself. You just trust the non-experts who tell you to not trust the experts. Your link also says vaccines are safe.

You can stop saying for everyone to worry about themselves when this entire ordeal exists because we refuse to care about anyone more than ourselves. You and I don't actually matter as individuals on this scale. We need to think about the collective.

Hospitals get overrun and how do you prioritize emergencies when you don't have enough people to handle the sheer number of emergencies? I don't know about you, but I hate the idea of causing death penals because selfish people don't care who lives and dies as long as they can feel proud they didn't care about public health because fuck the man.

I'm not claiming to say the vaccine is going to have some sort of huge negative consequence that will end up being just as bad as COVID. I'm saying that there's already issues with it and that there could be potentially long term side effects that are currently unknown and may not affect everyone. Everyone's body is different and will react differently to the virus and to the vaccine.

We're just not going to agree on this here. I don't feel that I should be vaccinated for something I have an extremely high chance of survival for and for something that I believe I've already had (was quite sick in the very beginning of this all). Not to mention, most people who want the vaccine can get it TOMORROW.

If you trust the vaccine, you are protected. You do not need to worry. I'm not taking the vaccine when everyone who wants it has access to it.

I think at the heart of it, your main concern is the continued lockdowns and mask mandates. You were told if you took the shot you didn't have to wear a mask and your life would be back to normal but the people you voted for lied to you. I think what makes you upset about this is that it's not over.... and this is a direct result of the people you voted to put into office, whether federally or locally.

It's over for me. I'm done with it.

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Houston posted...

If you trust the vaccine, you are protected. You do not need to worry. I'm not taking the vaccine when everyone who wants it has access to it.

Holy mother of fuck this is so fucking dumb so I'm gonna spell it out, so even idiots understand.

Vaccinated != Impervious

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Vaccination for one != Vaccinated for all

With me so far? Okay. So here's this

More Vaccinated = Less Infected

Therefore:

Less Infected = Less Death.

Okay? Is that dumbed down enough? Should I continue?

Vaccine good. less death good. Side effect COVID - Death

Side Effect of Vaccination - Less Death

More People No Vaccine = More People Death

If you cannot wrap your head around this very simple concept, someone in your life has thoroughly failed you.

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If you're explaining things to Houston, he's already won. He will have you explaining the same shit to him Friday like this topic never even happened. It's not that he doesn't understand; his goal is just to annoy you.

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Antifar posted...

If you're explaining things to Houston, he's already won. He will have you explaining the same shit to him Friday like this topic never even happened. It's not that he doesn't understand; his goal is just to annoy you.

I said in my last post that we'll essentially have to agree to disagree.

You can say whatever you want about me, but I'm making a choice of not being vaccinated after weighing my risks given my own personal circumstances and my own personal views.

You cannot say unequivocally that this vaccine will not harm me now or in the future. This is my choice. Please leave people alone and if you don't want the mandates anymore, vote differently in the future.

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Its a good thing to require proof imo

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Cemith posted...

Holy mother of fuck this is so fucking dumb so I'm gonna spell it out, so even idiots understand.

Vaccinated != Impervious

&

Vaccination for one != Vaccinated for all

With me so far? Okay. So here's this

More Vaccinated = Less Infected

Therefore:

Less Infected = Less Death.

Okay? Is that dumbed down enough? Should I continue?

Vaccine good. less death good. Side effect COVID - Death

Side Effect of Vaccination - Less Death

More People No Vaccine = More People Death

If you cannot wrap your head around this very simple concept, someone in your life has thoroughly failed you.

These people have some inability to understand that the virus is mutating and we have observed this with the delta variant.

Extremely, stupid people who are harming the rest of society

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Houston posted...

You cannot say unequivocally that this vaccine will not harm me now or in the future. This is my choice. Please leave people alone and if you don't want the mandates anymore, vote differently in the future.

Thats a really strange sentiment to have. Just because no one can unequivocally say the vaccine wont harm you means the government shouldnt mandate people to get the vaccine? Sounds preposterous.

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Houston posted...

I said in my last post that we'll essentially have to agree to disagree.

There is no agree to disagree when one side (selfish apathy) leads to the deaths of innocents, and the other side saves lives. Your selfish, childish mindset has killed countless people, and will continue to do so. We need mandates so rechudlicans like you don't accidentally kill more people.

Antifar is right, taking you seriously is worthless.

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people who disagree with science are generally idiots.
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Cemith posted...

There is no agree to disagree when one side (selfish apathy) leads to the deaths of innocents, and the other side saves lives. Your selfish, childish mindset has killed countless people, and will continue to do so. We need mandates so rechudlicansike you don't accidentally kill more people.

Antifar is right, taking you seriously is worthless.

well said, people with his mindset are basically murderers, great snapshot of the situation


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