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MrDrMan
08/03/21 11:57:42 AM
#51:


Kolibri X posted...
It will get worse if people let them do this. Another group of people they want to exclude from society. History repeats.

There is no let. A businesses is not obligated to employ you. Go work somewhere else then.

Were tired of anti-vax clowns.

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Kolibri X
08/03/21 12:05:36 PM
#52:


MrDrMan posted...
There is no let. A businesses is not obligated to employ you. Go work somewhere else then.

Were tired of anti-vax clowns.

Every group has its boogeyman they desperately try to pin all of their problems on. Communists, racists, immigrants, minorities, the unvaxxed. How does feel to take the wrong side of history and bootlick the loafers of tyrants?

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b_hamnite
08/03/21 12:07:22 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
How are they going to enforce that?

That's my question. Let's say that someplace like a Walmart has to keep non vaccinated people from coming in. They put a minimum wage making person at the front door and tell them they're the front line against the non vaccinated. How quickly does this escalate to someone(s) becoming belligerent and possibly violent because they can't get into a place? As always, the idea people never have to actually deploy and support the idea. I dig the idea behind it, but I can see it having some bad ramifications because they're expecting anti vaxxers to just say "Oh, ok then." and walk away.

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RickyTheBAWSE
08/03/21 12:07:36 PM
#54:


Kolibri X posted...
MrDrMan posted...
There is no let. A businesses is not obligated to employ you. Go work somewhere else then.

Were tired of anti-vax clowns.

Every group has its boogeyman they desperately try to pin all of their problems on. Communists, racists, immigrants, minorities, the unvaxxed. How does feel to take the wrong side of history and bootlick the loafers of tyrants?


"we have the Right to refuse service"
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Jabodie
08/03/21 12:08:29 PM
#55:


Kolibri X posted...
Every group has its boogeyman they desperately try to pin all of their problems on. Communists, racists, immigrants, minorities, the unvaxxed. How does feel to take the wrong side of history and bootlick the loafers of tyrants?


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R1masher
08/03/21 12:10:10 PM
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Show me your papers! no soup for you!

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brestugo
08/03/21 12:10:24 PM
#57:


Kolibri X posted...
Every group has its boogeyman they desperately try to pin all of their problems on. Communists, racists, immigrants, minorities, the unvaxxed. How does feel to take the wrong side of history and bootlick the loafers of tyrants?
There is no racial, economic, religious, gendered, political or sexual orientation barrier to getting vaxxed. There is no boogeyman and this is not discrimination in the way you are trying to paint it.

The willfully unvaxxed are public health millstones around the county's neck.

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Unsugarized_Foo
08/03/21 12:11:30 PM
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Unvaxed gonna kill the vaxed folk no more

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SuperShake666
08/03/21 12:15:38 PM
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Get fucked anti-science idiots.

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Antifar
08/03/21 12:21:13 PM
#60:


b_hamnite posted...
Let's say that someplace like a Walmart has to keep non vaccinated people from coming in. They put a minimum wage making person at the front door and tell them they're the front line against the non vaccinated. How quickly does this escalate to someone(s) becoming belligerent and possibly violent because they can't get into a place?
Buddy, they got belligerent and violent against workers enforcing mask mandates. But not having rules because people might get angry about them is not a preferable path.

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Houston
08/03/21 12:33:30 PM
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One_Day_Remains posted...
How

Do you want the government to decide when something is deemed important enough to take such measures that restricts freedoms of people? This is not individual restaurants or bars choosing whether or not they can ask for proof, which is egregious enough, but rather the government forcing them to.

Do you want them 10 years from now to say now you have to have a passport to travel between states because of "global warming" and you have to pay a fee to get a special card? Or that you can't drive to see your friend because you've already had 2 hours of drive time in a given week and don't have the proper credentials to operate your vehicle anymore?

Do you want them to put restrictions on your air conditioning because you didn't type in a special code on the app that controls your air conditioner that proves you've met your global warming requirements to be allowed to set your house to 70 degrees?

There's a whole entire host of dangers allowing them to force something like this. It completely takes away people's rights and it'll be even easier for them to take the next step, in whatever they want to do in the future.

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darkprince45
08/03/21 12:34:13 PM
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having it required to go anywhere will be the way to get everyone to do it

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Questionmarktarius
08/03/21 12:34:41 PM
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Houston posted...
There's a whole entire host of dangers allowing them to force something like this. It completely takes away people's rights.
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Houston
08/03/21 12:38:33 PM
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They're not going to give you your freedoms back after this virus. People will have to take them back.

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UnfairRepresent
08/03/21 12:40:22 PM
#65:


Houston posted...
They're not going to give you your freedoms back after this virus. People will have to take them back.

Ugh

$4 says you were cool with Trump tear gassing peaceful protesters for a photo op at a church (that didn't want him there)

But vaccinations are "Opposing your freedoms."

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archedsoul
08/03/21 12:40:54 PM
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I think it's necessary but it's mostly going to negatively affect the hoods, not even the Jewish communities.



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3PiesAndAFork
08/03/21 12:41:25 PM
#67:


Houston posted...
They're not going to give you your freedoms back after this virus.

Good. It's clear people can't be trusted anyways.

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Bleuets
08/03/21 12:41:43 PM
#68:


MrDrMan posted...
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/google-joins-growing-list-employers-mandating-covid-19/story?id=79120671

Lot of companies are beginning to mandate for employees. Google, Disney, Uber, Tyson foods, Facebook, Washington Post, Delta.

Hamburger Marys, Woodys and a few other local businesses are beginning to require. It wont be long I think.

Hamburger Marys is not local, they had it here in Denver.

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ThyCorndog
08/03/21 12:42:40 PM
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nice. got my excelsior qr code app thing readied like last week

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bigblu89
08/03/21 12:43:47 PM
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Houston posted...
Do you want the government to decide when something is deemed important enough to take such measures that restricts freedoms of people? This is not individual restaurants or bars choosing whether or not they can ask for proof, which is egregious enough, but rather the government forcing them to.

Do you want them 10 years from now to say now you have to have a passport to travel between states because of "global warming" and you have to pay a fee to get a special card? Or that you can't drive to see your friend because you've already had 2 hours of drive time in a given week and don't have the proper credentials to operate your vehicle anymore?

Do you want them to put restrictions on your air conditioning because you didn't type in a special code on the app that controls your air conditioner that proves you've met your global warming requirements to be allowed to set your house to 70 degrees?

There's a whole entire host of dangers allowing them to force something like this. It completely takes away people's rights and it'll be even easier for them to take the next step, in whatever they want to do in the future.

Did you run out of Wesson while oiling that hypothetical slippery slope you created?

Plus, if all those things are for the better of the citizens of the country, like the vaccine is, why wouldn't you be ok with them?

You know how many rules and regulations are already in place because of that? Do you think seatbelt laws were put into place simply because it was getting to expensive for cleanup crew to scrape bodies off the pavement after they went flying out of cars, or because they realized these belts are going to save millions of people's lives?

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mustachedmystic
08/03/21 12:45:24 PM
#71:


Houston posted...
Very, very dangerous precedent.
Not really, the Supreme Court ruled a long time ago that governments can mandate vaccines.

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Questionmarktarius
08/03/21 12:45:29 PM
#72:


archedsoul posted...
I think it's necessary but it's mostly going to negatively affect the hoods, not even the Jewish communities.

Both can go insular fairly quickly, and "covid raids" in either will not go over well.
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bigblu89
08/03/21 12:48:29 PM
#73:


mustachedmystic posted...
Not really, the Supreme Court ruled a long time ago that governments can mandate vaccines.
I think this is something missed on many people, simply because there really hasn't been a need for mass vaccination of the population in decades.

Even the Chicken Pox vaccine in the 90's rolled out with little fanfare because the people required to get it were kids, and it was just another shot added to the list of shots kids get in the first 5-10 years of their lives.

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Drpooplol
08/03/21 12:48:29 PM
#74:


mustachedmystic posted...
Not really, the Supreme Court ruled a long time ago that governments can mandate vaccines.
Yeah this, I have no idea why people think this is anything new.

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mustachedmystic
08/03/21 12:52:00 PM
#76:


Drpooplol posted...
Yeah this, I have no idea why people think this is anything new.
I know, most people hold access to the whole of human knowledge in their hands, but are unwilling, or unable to google a simple question.

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brestugo
08/03/21 12:52:50 PM
#77:


Houston posted...
They're not going to give you your freedoms back after this virus. People will have to take them back.
Nothing has been suggested that wasn't already cleared by the SCOTUS in some way shape or form decades ago. For example, Jacobson v. Massachusetts - clearing states to mandate vaxxes - was adjudicated 116 years ago.

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Dark_SilverX
08/03/21 12:53:00 PM
#78:


Houston posted...
They're not going to give you your freedoms back after this virus. People will have to take them back.
Who needs freedom when de Blasio gonna take care of you?

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Bleuets
08/03/21 12:54:07 PM
#79:


brestugo posted...
Nothing has been suggested that wasn't already cleared by the SCOTUS in some way shape or form decades ago. For example, Jacobson v. Massachusetts - clearing states to mandate vaxxes - was adjudicated 116 years ago.

yeah thats a lil bit outta date for me chief. Sorry not basing my life on some law over 100 years old.
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Questionmarktarius
08/03/21 12:54:31 PM
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bigblu89 posted...
I think this is something missed on many people, simply because there really hasn't been a need for mass vaccination of the population in decades.
Nobody's had the balls to invoke Jacobson v. Mass. yet. It's all just pecking around the margins of implied consent and whatnot.
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bigblu89
08/03/21 12:56:34 PM
#81:


Bleuets posted...
yeah thats a lil bit outta date for me chief. Sorry not basing my life on some law over 100 years old.
Well, to quote a famous orange-faced reality star turned politician:

"You either follow our Laws, or you get the hell out of the Country"

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Background_Guy
08/03/21 12:57:47 PM
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Finally
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mustachedmystic
08/03/21 12:58:23 PM
#83:


Dark_SilverX posted...
Who needs freedom when de Blasio gonna take care of you?
Oh please, fuck off with that crap. We just want everyone to take some responsibility for the collective health of society. Funny how Republicans harp on responsibility for everyone else, but when its time for them to take a vaccine, or god forbid, wear a mask, they are like muh freedoms!!!.

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brestugo
08/03/21 12:58:36 PM
#84:


Bleuets posted...
yeah thats a lil bit outta date for me chief. Sorry not basing my life on some law over 100 years old.
That's how law works. Standing, settled law is a closed case. Sorry, kid.

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Antifar
08/03/21 12:58:41 PM
#85:


Bleuets posted...
yeah thats a lil bit outta date for me chief. Sorry not basing my life on some law over 100 years old.
Have you heard of the constitution?

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Background_Guy
08/03/21 12:58:43 PM
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If you're anti-vaxx, move to Florida please
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Bleuets
08/03/21 12:59:21 PM
#87:


bigblu89 posted...
Well, to quote a famous orange-faced reality star turned politician:

"You either follow our Laws, or you get the hell out of the Country"

there is no vaccine mandate here so I guess Im following the law
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bigblu89
08/03/21 1:03:01 PM
#88:


Bleuets posted...
there is no vaccine mandate here so I guess Im following the law
There's no vaccine mandate anywhere, yet.

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brestugo
08/03/21 1:04:19 PM
#89:


Antifar posted...
Have you heard of the constitution?
He definitely doesn't understand it. The Constitution empowers the government to do two things almost absolutely in the preamble of the Constitution: "provide for the common defense (military, etc.) and promote the general welfare (public health, economy, etc.). The SCOTUS has always upheld this. It's literally the first fucking line.

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mustachedmystic
08/03/21 1:04:40 PM
#90:


Bleuets posted...
there is no vaccine mandate here so I guess Im following the law
Whatever, Caution. My question, if/when there is a mandate, will you take it like a man? Or will you bitch about your freedoms, thinking you are like some kind of modern day Patrick Henry?

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Pitbuller_26
08/03/21 1:06:24 PM
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This is good.

Public health officials tried to be nice and incentivize the vaccine with gifts and when that didn't work, this is the only other option: Make life inconvenient for unvaccinated people.

There is no excuse since the vaccine is fucking free.
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Bleuets
08/03/21 1:09:15 PM
#92:


mustachedmystic posted...
Whatever, Caution. My question, if/when there is a mandate, will you take it like a man? Or will you bitch about your freedoms, thinking you are like some kind of modern day Patrick Henry?

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brestugo
08/03/21 1:10:08 PM
#93:


Bleuets posted...
yeah thats a lil bit outta date for me chief. Sorry not basing my life on some law over 100 years old.
One more thing, you guys can't simultaneously claim something is a "new infringement" and then when someone points out it's been a standing policy for a century or more that it's "too old".

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soulunison2
08/03/21 1:11:54 PM
#94:


Kolibri X posted...
Every group has its boogeyman they desperately try to pin all of their problems on. Communists, racists, immigrants, minorities, the unvaxxed. How does feel to take the wrong side of history and bootlick the loafers of tyrants?

bro it was literally conservatives that gave these businesses the right to implement shit like this - blame them not the healthcare workers trying to make everyone safe lol

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TheRadiant
08/03/21 1:12:56 PM
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lol anti-vaxxers

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mustachedmystic
08/03/21 1:15:25 PM
#96:


Bleuets posted...
oh we got a spicy one here, Ill take you like a man
Only if you do one thing for me big boy. Wherever you are, yell out really loud, give me liberty, and give me death!

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Duncanwii
08/03/21 1:17:41 PM
#97:


bigblu89 posted...
Plus, if all those things are for the better of the citizens of the country, like the vaccine is, why wouldn't you be ok with them?

I dont know, the being only able to drive 2 hours a week thing seems pretty totalitarian to me. Also not very possible in a society like ours, a lot of places require more then two hours to get to in most parts of the country.
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Teh_Dr_Phil
08/03/21 1:18:36 PM
#98:


Kolibri X posted...
How does feel to take the wrong side of history



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TheRadiant
08/03/21 1:19:22 PM
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Teh_Dr_Phil posted...
Just like all those suckers who got the polio vaccine

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RickyTheBAWSE
08/03/21 1:28:19 PM
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many Americans are no more intelligent now than their forefathers were when they first immigrated to America.

unfortunately, many generational L's have been passed down in the form of terrible advice, habits and values. that's why some families have horrible hygiene as a unit. of course vaccines and mask feel like an attack to them.
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