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Just finished game 1 case 3. DAMN.

At first I though I missed the bloodstain but as things went on I slowly realised what was happening. Major drama! Loved it. One of the better third cases in the whole series, I think.

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g2-3 PUPPY!!!

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I thought your post was going to be about G2-3 Courtney Sithe, who looks like a more severe version of Ema Skye, and it's not just the lab coat.

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I just finished the first game. Don't know when I'll get around to the second game but it will be awhile. Just wanted to post some random thoughts.

Spoilers for the first game:
Fuck them killing Kazuma in such a stupid way. He was one of the coolest characters in the game.

McGilded is legit one of the most interesting characters I've seen in Ace Attorney. The way he pulls the wool over even the player by seeming like such a cool, friendly, and entertaining guy. Only for it to slowly dawn on you how much of a monster he is.

GINA IS A GOOD GIRL DAMN IT! A GOOD GIRL! BLESS GINA!!!!

That is all.
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Spidey5 posted...

I just finished the first game. Don't know when I'll get around to the second game but it will be awhile. Just wanted to post some random thoughts.

Spoilers for the first game:
Fuck them killing Kazuma in such a stupid way. He was one of the coolest characters in the game.

McGilded is legit one of the most interesting characters I've seen in Ace Attorney. The way he pulls the wool over even the player by seeming like such a cool, friendly, and entertaining guy. Only for it to slowly dawn on you how much of a monster he is.

GINA IS A GOOD GIRL DAMN IT! A GOOD GIRL! BLESS GINA!!!!

That is all.

I'd really recommend getting to the 2nd game soon after. The 1st game is basically just the 1st half. For one thing, even the filler case isn't over yet. The 2nd game is when it all comes together. It's also way better paced.
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CyricZ posted...

Man I really like van Zieks. (G1-3)

Clutching the glass to breaking, throwing another glass into the fire, flinging off his cape, and throwing his leg up on the desk. Also may as well just be a literal vampire. Dude is just so extra.

I enjoy his "You'll forgive me the discourtesy" shtick. I was rolling when he threw the wine bottle behind him out of nowhere and said something along the lines of "You'll forgive me for the discourtesy of throwing this swill behind me into the audience chamber."

GiftedACIII posted...

I'd really recommend getting to the 2nd game soon after. The 1st game is basically just the 1st half. For one thing, even the filler case isn't over yet. The 2nd game is when it all comes together. It's also way better paced.

If it was just Ace Attorney that came out in July I probably would. But I also got ahold of the new Akiba game and Neo World Ends with you, and I want a break from Ace Attorney. Plus, if I start the second game right away and finish it, I'll have no more Ace Attorney for the foreseeable future. :(
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Let me just say that G2-3 introduces more.

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Spidey5 posted...

I enjoy his "You'll forgive me the discourtesy" shtick. I was rolling when he threw the wine bottle behind him out of nowhere and said something along the lines of "You'll forgive me for the discourtesy of throwing this swill behind me into the audience chamber."

If it was just Ace Attorney that came out in July I probably would. But I also got ahold of the new Akiba game and Neo World Ends with you, and I want a break from Ace Attorney. Plus, if I start the second game right away and finish it, I'll have no more Ace Attorney for the foreseeable future. :(

I guess that's understandable. Just be sure to still play it while you can still remember the details of the first game. Because even the first case of the first game is important and the fourth case (tiny spoilers for fourth case only) that seems like filler is directly followed up on.
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I just beat G02-05. The second game is defiently way better than the first, but I'm not sure how I'd rank the cases, except G02-01, being worst than the others, mostly due to suffering "first case syndrome" as usual.

i'm three cases down in the first game and so far i've drawn little satisfaction from the trials.

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I'm amidst Case 2 of Game 2 now. I tbh felt the first one was a bit disappointing, but not bad. Second game is better so far.

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It's really weirding me out that so far, most of the cases only include one trial section in the first game. I guess that was a stylistic choice for the devs, but personally I don't like it. Really makes everything drag on forever.

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lol case G2-3 examining the charred ground of the exhibition ground on day 2. Ryu just randomly makes fun of his client getting his dreams dashed and laughs about it.
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Oh my God 1-5 just goes on and on. I'm really having trouble caring anymore. I hate Gina. I don't care about Iris. I'm not even concerned about Herlock cuz plot armor guarantees he's going to be fine.

A few people have said the pacing is better in GAA2. Is it really better? Cuz I went from really enjoying this game on the first two cases to actually not even wanting to play the second one. And I loooove Ace Attorney games, so it's really weird feeling this way.

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LostForest posted...

A few people have said the pacing is better in GAA2. Is it really better?

Basically (mild spoilers) it reverts back to the usual style of investigation-trial-investigation-trial.

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CyricZ posted...

Basically (mild spoilers) it reverts back to the usual style of investigation-trial-investigation-trial.

Oh thank God lol.

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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

idk how well it will be written but having uhhh actually Kazuma was never dead and he has amnesia now and is wearing a silly mask because Holmes lied as a new plot element seems less like a meta twist on Mia Feys death in AA1-2 and more like something really dumb that stretches believability. I guess Ill see how I feel by the end of case 5, immediately makes me wonder if theyll revisit Pavlova, at least in the credits they must

End of GAA2-3 spoilers This is one of the few times I think "bringing back a presumed dead character" is actually more believable since Kazuma dying like a chump from a 15 year old girl pushing him and him tripping onto a bedpost is so fucking stupid lol
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G1-5 spoilers: That had to be the most underwhelming final boss in the entire series lol. I know there's a second game but that case left a lot to be desired which I guess which is the point.

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Oh duh G2-4 I totally didn't pick up that the Asogi sword being named "Karuma" was a reference to the Karuma family (von Karma family) until Kazuma basically spelled it out.

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Without spoilers is it a good game or not?

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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

early G2-4 trial witness spoilers: Gossip may be my least favorite witness in the entire series. I cant stand looking at that fucking ugly character model its the worst thing I think Ive seen in this entire franchise, at least off the top of my head. Conversely, Venus is a really fun witness and very cute. Beppo remains annoying but not as bad as Gossip, what were they thinking?

Case GAA2-4 spoilers yeah Im coming around to it because facing him in court is fun, the first time he started going hog wild with evidence against the defendant was amazing. Still, not enjoying Holmes just saying yeah I lied Ill tel you later lol all the time, feels cheap. Same with Susato deciding there was no reason to say how she knew Baskervilles until after she went to Japan and back again

Broad spoilers for the entire GAA1/2 plot up to case G2-4: also why the fuck havent we told Iris about her dad? Its been several months since it was brought to light and hes been dead for over a year if my math is right, seems cruel to keep that info close to the chest for no reason. Im sure itll factor into one of these last two cases but theyre sure taking their time

lol both your first and third paragraph are what I initially thought as well but it turns out both are actually handled really well which you'll see once you finish the episode.
2nd paragraph is true though.

BignutzisBack posted...

Without spoilers is it a good game or not?

2nd game is on road to being one of the best games in the series. First game is a bit of a slog though. 1st case goes on for too long. 2nd and 3rd case are completely separate events but honestly could've be combined. 4th case is a filler and unsatisfying to some people and 5th case is when the big events first start happening... as build up for the second game. The second game fully pays off though, including making G1-4 better.
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2-5 is absolutely fucking batshit insane holy fucking shit
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GiftedACIII posted...

2-5 is absolutely fucking batshit insane holy fucking shit

Yeah yeah yeah :D

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CyricZ posted...

Yeah yeah yeah :D

Yeah, big 2-5 spoilers they're never going to be able to pull something like "judge from two tutorial cases kills the main detective and accuses your first case mentor who is now the prosecutor" again. ngl I didn't want Stronghart to be the main villain because A. he's way too obvious. and B. he did so many helpful things that benefited Ryunosuke/Kazuma that eventually backfired on him. He literally goes out of his way to give exceptions to the two of them and lets them explore crime scenes/be a lawyer/prosecutor in Britain in the first place which all backfire on him. And he's supposedly supposed to be paranoid enough to kill off his loyal accomplices yet he just goes out of his way to give Ryunosuke and Kazuma the opportunity to bring him down.
His breakdown was absolutely amazing though.

Also regarding Iris, wish they could've told her about her family relations. The whole theme of the trial being "tell the whole truth no matter the cost" rings kind of hollow when they keep hiding things from Iris. They do say they'll tell Iris "at the right time" but she's smart and composed enough to handle it by now. Iris literally learns that Dr Wilson is dead and isn't her father due to them discussing it as part of the trial forgetting she was in earshot. Many things were wrapped up but one of my biggest gripes is definitely that they never tell her. It's as annoying as Phoenix STILL not telling Apollo and Trucy about their relation too.
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Okay (G2-5) the breakdowns so far in this series have been a bit muted and underwhelming. That last one fucking makes up for it in spades.

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Oh also it's very late in the topic to be pointing this out, but if you're interested in the Escapades, watch them after completing the first game, as they're only related to the first.

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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

G2-4 spoilers

oh I was expecting a Trial 2 and then an entirely new case 5, makes sense given the subject matter that it would lead directly into the grand finale but when I saw "End" and had to select the next case, felt like a weird split to make

Don't worry. It's still a fairly lengthy episode with a lot of twists coming up.

ArianaGrandSlam posted...

G2-4 spoilers again: I still maintain that "Gossip" IS the worst witness I've ever seen in an Ace Attorney game, I hate that ugly lip, but Daley's alright.

What I like is the contrast. It's usually an attractive or appealing witness who drops their facade/disguise into something uglier/evil but here we have one of the most grotesque witnesses being unmasked as someone much more appealing or at least normal looking.
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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

Full GAA2 final case spoilers:

All in all, most of my quibbles in earlier posts were wrapped up satisfactorily. Very hype final case and the last Dance of Deduction was better than any of the others because you didn't have to sit through the "wrong" part first. Taking down not only one but two judges in the courtroom is quite the feat. I'd put the final case up pretty high, but it still doesn't quite peak up at the main series' 2-4 which I maintain is still the best case of the entire series. All in all these two games were pretty solid though and I'm glad I got to play them, I was genuinely worried they would never reach the West at all. I cannot overstate how massive of an Ace Attorney fan I became in the early 2010s, it was all-consuming for a period there, so playing a new one of these was incredibly pleasant and comfortable for me. I can't wait to see what Takumi does next!

Iris's parentage feels way undercooked and kind of whatever though, not sure what the point in all that was.

Totally agree with all of this. And yeah, really wished they actually told Iris about her parentage. I thought the whole point of the final trial was to tell the truth? They did say they'll eventually tell her but come on, she's definitely capable of taking it already, and she already had to find out both that Dr Wilson is dead and that he wasn't actually her father due to them nonchalantly talking about it due to the case. Seeing Iris and Van Zieks interact as niece and uncle would've made up for how late the reveal is but no they never tell her and Van Zieks only makes a small comment on fully introducing himself.

I had the same feeling when you first meet him in G1-3. "Oh this guy is so obviously a villain, I hope he's actually not" feeling, not helped in the least by THE FUCKING BOX ART LOL

Agreed. Amazing breakdown and final theme that plays there though.

Also want to give shout-outs to Maria Gorey, a great underrated character that we should've seen more of.
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I think the reason G2-5 they didn't tell Iris is because her growth as a character was in realizing that it wasn't important who her birth father was. She knows who her father is, she knows who her family is, and she's at peace with that.

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Man, I feel bad for people who played the first game on 3DS originally, in Japan. To just see that ending, and know about all these loose strings, with no promise of a sequel immediately, fuck that lol.

Having beaten the first game, what was up with those two random dudes who show up in 1-4 for a quick conversation in the street? I thought surely they would show up again in case 5, but nope lol. I don't even remember their names. Do they come back in GAA2?

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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

yes

Weeeeeird. It really feels like the two games were really just developed as one big game and then split up.

I guess this definitive version is probably closer to what the devs originally wanted.

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I guess I'll post my thoughts on stuff.

1-3 Magnus is seriously one of my favorite character they've ever done in the series. His design is great, his creepy music is great. And his story, man! They did such an excellent job of making you as a player go from siding with him and really defending him the way Ryunosuke does, to being like "What an absolute bag of shit." And then wasting no time in offing him right after the trial was badass.

1-4 Natsume is another favorite of mine. Love the animations on the dude, he's such a neurotic fuck lol. The actual trial itself was kinda eh. Was really weird having two cases almost back to back that were just "Whoopsies! Accidentally killed/injured someone!" Like, I was really disappointed they didn't make better use of the fact the victim didn't die. I can't recall them doing that in any other AA cases, and it was a really cool twist. I thought for sure she'd show up eventually, but nope! She may as well have been dead. It had virtually no bearing on the story.

1-5 I legitimately hate the majority of this case. The opening goes on for-fucking-ever. The trial itself goes on and on just like all the others. But it's another situation that we all have of "I already figured out what happened" and waiting for the game to catch up to your realization. I liked the stereoscope stuff. I assume it was a relic from being a 3DS game. Even so, I had fun doing the magic-picture thing and seeing the 3D effect IRL.
I went from loving Grayson to hating him by the end. I love his design. Dude is basically a JoJo villain haha. Turning him from absolute bastard to tragic villain you're supposed to feel sorry for really ruined the character for me though. And also, once again, another death that was an accident. What the hell is up with that? I feel like they realized they hadn't done many accidents-turned-murder in the series, and then decided to use it here, but kept forgetting they did, and ended up with 3 different instances of it lol.

The stuff Gregson felt really tacked on, and like most of the cases in the game, it was annoying how you have the ultra "Aha!" moment, but then the game introduces some other bullshit to make you work another hour for it.

also fuck Gina. What an irritating character. I felt absolutely nothing for her lol.

Ending was whatever. As I mentioned before, I really feel bad for anyone who played the games originally and didn't know they'd be getting a sequel immediately. So many loose ends. Ending on a weird cliffhanger. I know it'll be wrapped up in GAA2, but really shitty to do something like reveal a list of names of people you know, and be like "This was of utmost national security!" Looking forward to seeing what that's all about. I assume something to do with the fact the Russian villain was a juror for no reason whatsoever lol.

Went from loving the game in the first two cases to just liking it in 3 and 4. By case 5, I was burned out and skipping half of the conversations. The game is paced really poorly and just doesn't know when to shut the hell up lol. Overall though, still like the world and the presentation and the music and everything. I really hope GAA2 having better pacing helps me like it better, cuz I don't know if I'll be able to keep it up for another 5 cases if it isn't.

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Finished G1-4. It was... good. If this was an older AA game, this would have been case 3 and fell victim to the classic case 3-itis. On to 1-5!

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Stalolin posted...

Finished G1-4. It was... good. If this was an older AA game, this would have been case 3 and fell victim to the classic case 3-itis. On to 1-5!

The entire first game is a case 3 lol.
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GiftedACIII posted...

The entire first game is a case 3 lol.

Nah.

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Stalolin posted...

Nah.

When taking the 2nd game into account. You'll see.
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GiftedACIII posted...

When taking the 2nd game into account. You'll see.

Neat.

But then Im one of those weirdos that liked Dual Destinies more than Spirit of Justice haha.

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Finally found time where I could sit down and dedicate to playing the game. Finished the first case. I'm looking forward to playing more.

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Stalolin posted...

Neat.

But then Im one of those weirdos that liked Dual Destinies more than Spirit of Justice haha.

Ooh right here. I liked DD better than SoJ.

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