Current Events > Let's collectively rub it over how good Tales of Symphonia is >_>

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Fuck, why is this game is fucking good!?

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it's not

My favorite is Tales of Destiny II (Tales of Eternia)

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I liked the game for what it is but fuck that one forest dungeon lmao. Worse dungeon in the game imo

Wish they translated/localized an hd tales of destiny directors cut already :/

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Vesperia
And Zillia 2
And Berseria

Many will say it's overrated because there weren't many RPGs on the GC. The puzzle dungeons aren't for everyone either.

But I still love it.

Admit it though: Sheena's portrait is the reason. :P

luigi13579 posted...

Many will say it's overrated because there weren't many RPGs on the GC. The puzzle dungeons aren't for everyone either.

But I still love it.

Puzzles in dungeons are still more interesting than the literally-just-a-bunch-of-straight-hallways dungeons of games like in Tales of Graces, at least. But yeah, Meltokio Sewers and some of the others are really, really tedious at times with all the slow animations and lengthy retracing of the same paths repeatedly for no real reason.

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luigi13579 posted...

Admit it though: Sheena's portrait is the reason. :P

It's a small reason, but definitely helps >_>



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I haven't played the game itself in ages, but I've watched the anime adaptation twice in the past few years. The story and characters still hold up.

https://i.imgur.com/w00a1jz.gif
https://i.imgur.com/vxaAdXz.gif

Colette is still adorable too.
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Worse than most Tales games released in English if we're being real

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https://imgur.com/tvzqsom

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the_rowan posted...

Puzzles in dungeons are still more interesting than the literally-just-a-bunch-of-straight-hallways dungeons of games like in Tales of Graces, at least. But yeah, Meltokio Sewers and some of the others are really, really tedious at times with all the slow animations and lengthy retracing of the same paths repeatedly for no real reason.

Yeah, I'd rather have puzzles over empty hallways (sans enemies).

I don't mind the Meltokio Sewers. The Shadow Temple is a bit annoying, but I can cope. Ymir Forest is probably the worst for me.

Garioshi posted...

Worse than most Tales games released in English if we're being real

This is coming from someone who thinks RE6 is one of best RE games

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SSJ2GrimReaper posted...

This is coming from someone who thinks RE6 is one of best RE games

And

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Calwings posted...

I haven't played the game itself in ages, but I've watched the anime adaptation twice in the past few years. The story and characters still hold up.

https://i.imgur.com/w00a1jz.gif
https://i.imgur.com/vxaAdXz.gif

Colette is still adorable too.

I never watched the anime, you say it's good? Is it in English?


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Also Sheena best girl >_>

https://s6.gifyu.com/images/Sheena.gif

Sheena > Raine > Colette

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Raine tho

SSJ2GrimReaper posted...

https://imgur.com/tvzqsom

DEMON FANG!

DEMON FANG!

Damn! I must be a genius!

DOUBLE DEMON FANG!

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It's pretty good, but now rather dated as well.

its the same as every other tales game

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A decent game in a mediocre series.

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Number090684 posted...

It's pretty good, but now rather dated as well.

Yeah, but you can still get into after a little bit. I still think it's better than Vesperia and Xillia

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NeonOctopus posted...

you say it's good?

I found it very enjoyable, a solid 8.5/10 anime. The story is trimmed down a bit compared to the game, but the anime also includes some extra character interactions and development that the game doesn't have. For example, Genis and Sheena barely interact with each other in the game, but their bickering/teasing back and forth in the anime was a lot of fun and showed a new side of both of them.

All in all, I think it's an enjoyable experience even for people who have already played the game.

NeonOctopus posted...

Is it in English?

It's not dubbed, but Crunchyroll/VRV has it with English subtitles.

https://www.crunchyroll.com/tales-of-symphonia-the-animation

Nana Mizuki voices Colette and sings one of the openings, so I can forgive it not having a dub because Nana is just that awesome.
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NeonOctopus posted...

Yeah, but you can still get into after a little bit. I still think it's better than Vesperia and Xillia

Not better than Vesperia. Vesperia's characters, battle system, customization and content are better than Symphonia's. Music is debateable and is a toss up, Symphonia's dungeon design and puzzles are better though. I feel Symphonia is better than Xillia though. Symphonia Dawn of the New World is painfully mediocre though, especially these days.

NeonOctopus posted...

I never watched the anime, you say it's good? Is it in English?

The Symphonia anime OVAs are NOT good. Do not listen to that man. They take way too many liberties and made unnecessary changes and skip over lots of the story.

Vesperia and Abyss are better

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I have never played Dawn of a New World.

Is it really that bad? >_>

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Number090684 posted...

The Symphonia anime OVAs are NOT good. Do not listen to that man. They take way too many liberties and made unnecessary changes and skip over lots of the story.

I disagree. It told the story about as well as it could possibly be told in the episode count it was given, and the "way too many liberties" IMO made the experience more enjoyable, like the extra character interactions I mentioned above. Maybe it's because I'm not a manga/LN reader, but I'll never understand people who are such sticklers for wanting the anime to follow the source material 100% exactly with no diversion.

NeonOctopus posted...

I have never played Dawn of a New World.

Is it really that bad? >_>

It's a very noticeable step down from its predecessor, but I wouldn't say it's a bad game. Mediocre, yes. Not worth full price, yes. But bad? I don't think so.

Just my opinion though, I'm sure others will disagree with me.
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NeonOctopus posted...

I have never played Dawn of a New World.

Is it really that bad? >_>

It's a perfectly fine game, putting aside the fact that the Symphonia characters can't level. There are a lot of little tweaks you can put on the two main characters, and it's pretty fun.

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NeonOctopus posted...

I have never played Dawn of a New World.

Is it really that bad? >_>

Games really a love or hate game.
Its main problem is the TOS1 cast doesnt have the same feel as in lost their uniqueness combat wise and are level capped. (Which is beyond stupid the hd version didnt fix it. Only way around it are mods)
Other than that its story isnt strong as the first and the tos1 voices got changed.

I actually liked the combat imo especially how fun and broken emil/marta can be. Especially liked richter.

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NeonOctopus posted...

I have never played Dawn of a New World.

Is it really that bad? >_>

Yes. While it's not exactly bad it's mediocre and flawed as hell. The only thing that it improved over the original is the battle system and more party member variety. Everything else got worse....

-Main story is shorter.
-Incredibly stupid plot twist involving Lloyd.
-Dungeon design and puzzles are worse.
-You cannot traverse the world map and can only select a destination to go to.
-You cannot fully customize the active party since either the main hero or heroine of the game must always be in the active party.
-One guest character who can join the party cannot even jump in battle.
-You cannot freely change who the party field avatar is and it has to be either the main hero or heroine.
-Ally AI customization options are MUCH more limited.
-You cannot manually control monsters in battle and can only issue them a order to use artes via the menu.
-You can use monsters as party members but most are absolutely useless since some move and / or attack very slowly.
-Monsters are MUCH more powerful than the Symphonia characters.
-Symphonia characters cannot level up and their levels are locked depending where you are in the game and they were not balanced for use on harder difficulties, meaning they are almost useless party members on harder difficulties.
-You cannot fully customize the returning Symphonia characters equipment(You cannot freely change their equipment) and skills.
-If all of your human party members are KO'd in battle it's Game Over.
-Characters learn way less artes.
-Unison attacks are gone.

The combat system is definitely a bit dated compared to more recent entries, but I still think it's fun. Recently started replaying the game with a friend via steam remote play and the story and characters are still quite charming.

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This topic is full of inferior beings.

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Number090684 posted...

Yes. While it's not exactly bad it's mediocre and flawed as hell. The only thing that it improved over the original is the battle system and more party member variety. Everything else got worse....

-Main story is shorter.
-Incredibly stupid plot twist involving Lloyd.
-Dungeon design and puzzles are worse.
-You cannot traverse the world map and can only select a destination to go to.
-You cannot fully customize the active party since either the main hero or heroine of the game must always be in the active party.
-One guest character who can join the party cannot even jump in battle.
-You cannot freely change who the party field avatar is and it has to be either the main hero or heroine.
-Ally AI customization options are MUCH more limited.
-You cannot manually control monsters in battle and can only issue them a order to use artes via the menu.
-You can use monsters as party members but most are absolutely useless since some move and / or attack very slowly.
-Monsters are MUCH more powerful than the Symphonia characters.
-Symphonia characters cannot level up and their levels are locked depending where you are in the game and they were not balanced for use on harder difficulties, meaning they are almost useless party members on harder difficulties.
-You cannot fully customize the returning Symphonia characters equipment(You cannot freely change their equipment) and skills.
-If all of your human party members are KO'd in battle it's Game Over.
-Characters learn way less artes.
-Unison attacks are gone.

Geez, why is it so radically different? Couldn't they just keep it like Symphonia 1? >_>

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I remember it being my very favorite game once upon a time.

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NeonOctopus posted...

Geez, why is it so radically different? Couldn't they just keep it like Symphonia 1? >_>

Don't know. It seems like they gave it less of a development budget, but even then some of the shortcomings and design flaws shouldn't have been there at all.

Speaking of sequels, how is Xillia 2? I liked Xillia 1 though it definitely had some flaws >_>

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NeonOctopus posted...

Speaking of sequels, how is Xillia 2? I liked Xillia 1 though it definitely had some flaws >_>

Its a lot better than xillia 1 in gameplay. However the story isnt good as the first and the debt system is the only problem.
To be fair tho xillia 1 was rushed even the director admitted with the content missing and playable gaius/muzet (who are now in xillia 2)

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I quite liked Xillia 2, but it depends on what you're looking for. That game is a bit experimental compared to other Tales games. It's more of a character-focused story rather than a grand adventure, and the main character (Ludgar) is a silent protagonist. I think he's a pretty good example of how to create an interesting silent protagonist though, he has bits of personality sprinkled in the dialogue choices, and I actually felt pretty sympathetic for him considering the obstacles he has to overcome, especially in some endings (game has like 3).

The original ToX cast plays a much more supporting role this time around, but unlike ToS2, they're fully fledged party members who level up with you, so that's fun. Also has two brand new party members (Gaius and Muzet) which is cool.

It HEAVILY reuses assets from ToX1, and this can cause burnout if you jump into it straight after beating 1, but I took a long break in-between games so I wasn't bothered by this.

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Gamefreak1000 posted...

It HEAVILY reuses assets from ToX1, and this can cause burnout if you jump into it straight after beating 1, but I took a long break in-between games so I wasn't bothered by this.

That's what happened to me lol. I beat 1 and then borrowed 2 from a friend the next day and went right into it, but after 2 hours I was so burned out I just didn't touch it again before giving it back lol. I really should've taken a break >_>

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PatrickMahomes posted...

LMAOOOOOOOOOO

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Xillia 2 is great if you want more Xillia 1.

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SONIC_305 posted...

Especially with the amount of content missing along with playable gaius/muzet (who are now in xillia 2)

Oh nice! I didn't know that. They were fun characters. Yeah, Xillia 1 only having 6 playable characters was kinda lame.

Fucking love Muzet btw >_>
https://youtu.be/ZQLAst8t4vI

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NeonOctopus posted...

Speaking of sequels, how is Xillia 2? I liked Xillia 1 though it definitely had some flaws >_>

IMO Xillia 2 is mostly better than the original Xillia where it really matters despite the story being a bit of a mixed bag(Due to complex time / dimension shenanigans), reusing a lot of assets, and a few new drawbacks like the debt system(Yes you read that right), not being able to swap active and reserve party members in battle, and reserve party members not traveling with the party and instead waiting in town.

+Multiple endings.
+More content and better endgame content.
+You can make choices which affect cutscenes, skits, game progression, character affection and the ending. The last Tales of game to allow choices to affect the game to this degree was Symphonia.
+3 More playable characters bringing the total to 10.
+More artes, mystic artes and skills for each character.
+Characters do not need to be linked to another party member to use their mystic artes, unlike the original.
+Lilium Orb system which gave the illusion of character customization is gone and replaced with the more simple Allium Orb system which is similar to Abyss' Capacity Core system except without having to worry about sub optimal level ups.
+The lame Final Fantasy inspired Level 99 character level cap is gone.
+The grindy Shop Level system is gone, so shops once again have individuality, flavor and their locations actually matter.
+There ARE UNLOCKABLE SKINS OF CHARACTERS, INCLUDING OF A FEW CAMEO TALES CHARACTERS, THAT YOUR PARTY MEMBERS CAN USE! Don't know why this feature didn't return in other Tales of games after Xillia 2.

That said, up to the present day Xillia 2 was the last great main console Tales of game.

Gamefreak1000 posted...

I quite liked Xillia 2, but it depends on what you're looking for. That game is a bit experimental compared to other Tales games. It's more of a character-focused story rather than a grand adventure, and the main character (Ludgar) is a silent protagonist. I think he's a pretty good example of how to create an interesting silent protagonist though, he has bits of personality sprinkled in the dialogue choices, and I actually felt pretty sympathetic for him considering the obstacles he has to overcome, especially in some endings (game has like 3).

The original ToX cast plays a much more supporting role this time around, but unlike ToS2, they're fully fledged party members who level up with you, so that's fun. Also has two brand new party members (Gaius and Muzet) which is cool.

It HEAVILY reuses assets from ToX1, and this can cause burnout if you jump into it straight after beating 1, but I took a long break in-between games so I wasn't bothered by this.

Totally agree. ToX2 reuses a lot from ToX but it still has it's own identity and there is still a good amount of changes and additions it brings to help it stand on it's own.

PatrickMahomes posted...

But Presea is *spoilers* like 28 years old, both in actual age and mental age. Her body stopped aging physically, but that's it.
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Tell that to the cops

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It's probably still the best one

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NeonOctopus posted...

Oh nice! I didn't know that. They were fun characters. Yeah, Xillia 1 only having 6 playable characters was kinda lame.

Fucking love Muzet btw >_>
https://youtu.be/ZQLAst8t4vI

Muzet is a bit too crazy for me. Even after Xillia 2 I still can't forgive her for what she did to Nia Khera and tried to do to Jude and the party.