Current Events > Oh, so Hollow Knights map sucks.....

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Where most every game of this genre has great maps that list most things automatically this one makes you buy a ton of shit to make it function worse than them. Even for seeing yourself on the map........

Awesome. Perfect game.

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Tc confirmed needs his hand held

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still a great game tho

Yeah, that was one thing I really didn't like about the game - having to buy basic map features. Like, let's save the upgrades for actual in-game abilities, not basic UI features.

Honestly though, don't let that put you off - it's overall a great game, just with a few flaws.

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It's fine.

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This is a classic case of "git good" Hollow Knight edition.

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I've tried and haven't really been able to get into this game, despite owning like two versions of it

To be fair, I really didn't spend that much time playing it

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does tc and post 4 think that the knight is like omniscient and somehow knows the entire layout to a place hes never been??

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Any game : get gud

And you lose your money when you die and bringing up the shitty map doesnt stop gameplay.

Im listing literal basic features in similar games like this that this goes without. Like extremely basic.....

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Although I love Hollow knight, some of the charms could have been permanent abilities

The gathering swarm one could have been the first boss or something

DeathDeathSong posted...

does tc and post 4 think that the knight is like omniscient and somehow knows the entire layout to a place hes never been??

Aside from that gameplay/story segregation is a thing for a reason; I was thinking more about things like the "you are here" indicator, custom markers, etc - and for that matter, having to specifically buy a "base" map for each area before you can fill in the rest (which in turn requires a visit to a save point) seems a bit awkward too, compared to "if you've been there, you can see it on your map" like most other games do.

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The impact of damage is really weird: the sound cuts out for a second, a quick freeze and then recoil.

Its just odd and disorientating at first.

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Yeah i had run around and killed 2 relatively easy bosses so i had a bunch of money but died just being careless not knowing id drop all of my money.

I just restarted and got back and made sure to go spend money as i need to.

Its still weird spending all this money for basic map functions of any metroid/vania. Just seems like busy work/pointless annoyance.

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Trumble posted...

Aside from that gameplay/story segregation is a thing for a reason; I was thinking more about things like the "you are here" indicator, custom markers, etc - and for that matter, having to specifically buy a "base" map for each area before you can fill in the rest (which in turn requires a visit to a save point) seems a bit awkward too, compared to "if you've been there, you can see it on your map" like most other games do.

I think Hollow Knight illustrated to me that games don't necessarily need to do that though. It's just something we've grown so accustomed to in Metroidvanias. But obviously they chose to be different for thematic purposes. They wanted to add a bit more depth to the map salesman than just "buy map to fill out area". I think the map is laid out well enough that it never gets too convoluted.

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Quit bitching.

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inloveanddeath0 posted...

Quit bitching.

Its hard to when playing Hollow Knight.

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The map is so dumb in that game. It's not fun or rewarding, it's just a chore.

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There are so many games better than Hollow Knight. I'll randomly name a few

Steamworld Dig 2, Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night, Both Ori games

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Lairen posted...

Its hard to when playing Hollow Knight.

You don't even have a soul anymore

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sucks

Hollow Knight

pick one!!!!

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Here you go: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/179341-hollow-knight/map/15391-complete-map

inloveanddeath0 posted...

You don't even have a soul anymore

But its literally your power source......

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Why the map is the way it is makes literal narrative sense in-game, lol. Stop whining and learn basic navigation or move on and play something else. Life is too short to get this flustered over a hobby.

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Teh_Dr_Phil posted...

Why the map is the way it is makes literal narrative sense in-game, lol. Stop whining and learn basic navigation or move on and play something else. Life is too short to get this flustered over a hobby.

Its like 2 steps back from any metroid/vania game. Its an odd choice. Its weird for a game to be hyped so hard only to find a basic function such as the map has been made annoying.

And its not fun to have this be this way nor does it provide challenge. Its simply an annoyance you adjust to.

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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

Hollow Knight has one of the best maps in the entire genre actually

My jimmies are so rustled. Its obviously literally the worst.

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Might be an unpopular opinion, but I think Aquaria has pretty bad map too.

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I started playing it but stopped at some point. Maybe metroidvanias arent for me. I dont like backtracking to find a path I forgot about cause I didnt have the right skill at the time. I dont even really like exploration, I mean its alright in some cases like BotW but I dont think metroidvanias do it for me

i think the I killed the mantis lords most recently and thats where I stopped

I was able to play shantae and the pirates curse though cause it was cute and charming

I think that's supposed to be part of the design. They want you to explore and get lost.

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Its hard to get into at first. The map isnt welcoming and i dont have much motivation to give a shit about the story or "powering" up my character.

Vs a typical metroidvania where i want to level up and find weapons and the map is convenient.

HK has no brightness setting and is generally dark without many colors. I havnt really noticed the music either.

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Lairen posted...

HK has no brightness setting

On PC, they make you set brightness before you even play the game.

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Squall28 posted...

On PC, they make you set brightness before you even play the game.

It has no "in-game" brightness adjuster on ps4. Its a very basic function.

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Lairen posted...

My jimmies are so rustled. Its obviously literally the worst.

Okay, I can't think of any particularly great metroidvania maps. They're all a bit odd and disjointed.

Shadow Complex has an alright map, I guess. Kinda cumbersome to get into the right side in the lategame, tho.

I like it in context. Checking your map means your dude is literally holding it up and looking at it, so you can't do it while jumping or swimming and it doesn't stop time. Updating your map requires you to find a bench because your dude needs to draw it. Placing markers requires you to have markers to place. It's just subtle little immersion things, I get why you wouldn't like them but to me it adds to the charm of the game.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Okay, I can't think of any particularly great metroidvania maps. They're all a bit odd and disjointed.

Shadow Complex has an alright map, I guess. Kinda cumbersome to get into the right side in the lategame, tho.

Yeah its that one upward vent/shaft to the right of the bottom of the elevator....

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Lairen posted...

Any game : get gud

And you lose your money when you die and bringing up the shitty map doesnt stop gameplay.

Im listing literal basic features in similar games like this that this goes without. Like extremely basic.....

is this your first time playing a soulslike

Filtered by a map lmao

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DipDipDiver posted...

It's just subtle little immersion things

If there's too much immersion, you'll start to drown.

DipDipDiver posted...

I like it in context. Checking your map means your dude is literally holding it up and looking at it, so you can't do it while jumping or swimming and it doesn't stop time. Updating your map requires you to find a bench because your dude needs to draw it. Placing markers requires you to have markers to place. It's just subtle little immersion things, I get why you wouldn't like them but to me it adds to the charm of the game.

Things that are literally automatically done in every other game in the genre can be annoying.

But yeah im really feeling the literal nameless main characters annoyance like im actually in the game myself!

More like Shallow Knight.

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Lairen posted...

HK has no brightness setting and is generally dark without many colors. I havnt really noticed the music either.

These are all factual things about the game. Honestly the game as an aesthetic is meant to feel quiet, muted, and lonely. I can totally understand people not liking that.

For me, that made it a lot easier to get immersed.

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soulunison2 posted...

is this your first time playing a soulslike

You mean "running through mud" simulators?


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Lairen posted...

You mean "running through mud" simulators?

Ah, so I see you have played Zelda 2.

Im starting to see Hollow Knight get praise for literally leaving out practical conveniences of modern games. So thats why its considered perfect....

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Lairen posted...

Im starting to see Hollow Knight get praise for literally leaving out practical conveniences of modern games. So thats why its considered perfect....

Just remember there's a difference between "this game didn't work for me" and "everyone else must be wrong about this game".

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All the stuff you're talking about are intentional design decisions. Again I can see why you wouldn't like it but for some of us it's an important part of what forms the game's overall aesthetic

DipDipDiver posted...

All the stuff you're talking about are intentional design decisions. Again I can see why you wouldn't like it but for some of us it's an important part of what forms the game's overall aesthetic

I guess they decided for the map to suck and in that context they knocked it out of the park. Im playing checkers, theyre playing chess.

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Then stop playing the game I guess, at this point you just seem to be whining about it

Lairen posted...

You mean "running through mud" simulators?

if the game is too hard for you just say it lol