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scamatoru
06/22/21 12:54:49 PM
#202:


do mentalists ever apologize?

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Glob
06/22/21 1:00:58 PM
#203:


averagejoel posted...
where did I perform this accusation?

If you're not even going to pretend to argue honestly, I'm not going to bother engaging with you.
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averagejoel
06/22/21 1:12:25 PM
#204:


Glob posted...
If you're not even going to pretend to argue honestly, I'm not going to bother engaging with you.
I'm not arguing at all. I'm asking a question.

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MutantJohn
06/22/21 1:14:56 PM
#205:


When not sleeping with someone makes you a bigot...

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averagejoel
06/22/21 1:32:11 PM
#206:


MutantJohn posted...
When not sleeping with someone makes you a bigot...
do you legitimately not understand anything that was said or are you deliberately being obtuse?

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CyricZ
06/22/21 1:34:05 PM
#207:


averagejoel posted...
do you legitimately not understand anything that was said or are you deliberately being obtuse?
Well he has two modes, y'see. Deliberately obtuse or deliberate strawman.

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t5yvxc
06/22/21 1:34:10 PM
#208:


FarFromFields posted...
Why do you care what used to be there? Everyone who's ever given oral used to have baby teeth. That doesn't make the recipient a pedophile.
Terrible comparison as age and what gender you were born as isn't the same thing.

You are talking age, something you cant change and will naturally grow of age over time.... time will pass regardless of how one feels.....
To being born a specific gender with specific genitals and choosing to change them, then acting like they didn't use to exist there.

It's totally fine if someone wants to become a transmale or transfemale. It's fine if they want to get married, have sex with whoever is into it, or whatever.

With that said, it doesnt magically change the fact of what genitals a trans person was born with and the gender specific chromosomes. A trans woman for example cant produce a child. They are objectively and factually not the same as a cisgender regardless of the surgery.

Science in the future could possibly change that, but as it stands 2021, they are objectively different.
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COVxy
06/22/21 1:34:15 PM
#209:


MutantJohn posted...
When not sleeping with someone makes you a bigot...

Nobody gives a fuck who you fuck.

People care about the implication that it is not heterosexual to have sex with a transwoman, because it implies that you consider them men.

The point is that you don't accept transpeople. I mean, good for you, you don't want to beat them to death. Give yourself a pat on the back. This does not, however, mean you are accepting of them, or aren't bigoted.

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CyricZ
06/22/21 1:39:00 PM
#210:


COVxy posted...
People care about the implication that it is not heterosexual to have sex with a transwoman, because it implies that you consider them men.
Like I said.

Fear of the Phantom Penis.

This fall. On Bravo.

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NatsuSama
06/22/21 1:43:52 PM
#211:


CyricZ posted...
Like I said.

Fear of the Phantom Penis.

This fall. On Bravo.
Better question is why do you think a person must feel obligated to have sex with someone who use to have a dick?

You keep saying "phantom penis" while ignoring facts. Saying that doesn't change what a person was born as. Nor does it condemn transgendered people to having no rights.

You specifically want men who aren't into having sex with someone born a man, to have sex with a woman who used to be a man.

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QueenCarly
06/22/21 1:45:01 PM
#212:


NatsuSama posted...
Better question is why do you think a person must feel obligated to have sex with someone who use to have a dick?

You keep saying "phantom penis" while ignoring facts. Saying that doesn't change what a person was born as. Nor does it condemn transgendered people to having no rights.

You specifically want men who aren't into having sex with someone born a man, to have sex with a woman who used to be a man.

trans women were not at any point in their life men

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NatsuSama
06/22/21 1:46:54 PM
#213:


QueenCarly posted...
trans women were not at any point in their life men
That's objectively not true.

If you popped out your mom with just a dick, sorry your sex was male. You wanting to be female or feeling like a female doesn't change what sex you were born as.

Converting to a female later also doesn't erase history to make you a ciswoman.

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Ilishe
06/22/21 1:47:23 PM
#214:


QueenCarly posted...
trans women were not at any point in their life men

That's a personal matter for each and every one of them and not for you to say.

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averagejoel
06/22/21 1:48:38 PM
#215:


NatsuSama posted...
That's objectively not true.
being incorrectly assigned "male" at birth does not make someone a man

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SSJPurple
06/22/21 1:49:03 PM
#216:


So its controversial for a dude to prefer women born with vaginas?

Are gay guys sexist for not liking women?

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QueenCarly
06/22/21 1:50:17 PM
#217:


Ilishe posted...
That's a personal matter for each and every one of them and not for you to say.

oh okay

so i guess its okay to just call them men then....got it

fuck off

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Ardbert
06/22/21 1:50:34 PM
#218:


SSJPurple posted...
So its controversial for a dude to prefer women born with vaginas?

Are gay guys sexist for not liking women?

i have unironically heard this take before. That gay men don't wanna have butt sex with women because they're misogynists. :v
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CyricZ
06/22/21 1:50:56 PM
#219:


NatsuSama posted...
Better question is why do you think a person must feel obligated to have sex with someone who use to have a dick?
Better question is why you think I'm implying obligation to have sex. No one is obligated to have sex.

You keep saying "phantom penis" while ignoring facts. Saying that doesn't change what a person was born as.
"There was a penis here. It's gone now." - Silent Hill 2

You wouldn't be having sex with a person as what they were born as. You'd be having sex as who they are now. Would you be less attracted to a woman if you learned she used to be fat? Or had two noses (but now one)?

You specifically want men who aren't into having sex with someone born a man, to have sex with a woman who used to be a man.

Please, point to the post where I said "you must have sex with a trans woman otherwise you're a bigot". Or even words approaching that.

People keep offering in this topic how they will never ever be attracted to trans women. I'm not dragging that out of them. They seem very confident in this until pressed to explain and the explanations drift towards the ridiculous.

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NatsuSama
06/22/21 1:51:10 PM
#220:


averagejoel posted...
being incorrectly assigned "male" at birth does not make someone a man
You were not "incorrectly assigned" the sex, male, if you were born with just a penis.

That's you ignoring science for the sake of feelings.

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QueenCarly
06/22/21 1:52:24 PM
#221:


NatsuSama posted...
You were not "incorrectly assigned" a male if you were born with just a penis.

That's you ignoring science for the sake of feelings.

the science is on our side not yours, bud

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SSJPurple
06/22/21 1:53:52 PM
#222:


Ardbert posted...
i have unironically heard this take before. That gay men don't wanna have butt sex with women because they're misogynists. :v

Lol

Idk why its so hard for some to understand all individuals have things that do and dont work for them sexually and really have no control over it.

It doesnt mean they have anything against people just because they arent interested in having sex with them, ya know?


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NatsuSama
06/22/21 1:56:25 PM
#223:


CyricZ posted...
You wouldn't be having sex with a person as what they were born as. You'd be having sex as who they are now. Would you be less attracted to a woman if you learned she used to be fat? Or had two noses (but now one)?
Penis gone now doesn't change a penis WAS there lol. It doesnt change the sex you were born as was male.

Your ciswoman examples are terrible examples. A born female being fat in the past would still be a woman who was born the sex of a female.

What you are now doesn't change the past, and not all past are created equal.

CyricZ posted...
Please, point to the post where I said "you must have sex with a trans woman otherwise you're a bigot". Or even words approaching that.
My exact words were, "why do you think a person must feel obligated to have sex with someone who use to have a dick?"

I said nothing of the word "must" in the sense of having 0 choice in who to have sex with. Your argument is one should feel obligated/open to dtf a transgendered.

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CyricZ
06/22/21 2:00:54 PM
#224:


NatsuSama posted...
Penis gone now doesn't change a penis WAS there lol. It doesnt change the sex you were born as was male.
Exactly.

"Fear of the Phantom Penis".

Rated TV-PG, oddly enough.

Your ciswoman examples are terrible examples. A born female being fat in the past would still be a woman who was born the sex of a female.
Neither case is in the present. It's all in the past. Which would imply that you have a particular bias against trans women. This is not me calling you names, this is what you are showing.

My exact words were, "why do you think a person must feel obligated to have sex with someone who use to have a dick?"

I said nothing of the word "must" in the sense of have 0 choice.
Mmkay, point to where I said "you are obligated to have sex with a trans woman otherwise you're a bigot". Or even words approaching that.

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QueenCarly
06/22/21 2:05:07 PM
#226:


VioletMassacre posted...
You must be trolling for real, or youre just delusional.



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GreatGoomba
06/22/21 2:06:21 PM
#227:


VioletMassacre posted...
You must be trolling for real, or youre just delusional.
Says the pedo baiting child groomer

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NatsuSama
06/22/21 2:07:01 PM
#228:


CyricZ posted...
Neither case is in the present. It's all in the past. Which would imply that you have a particular bias against trans women. This is not me calling you names, this is what you are showing.
A past that tries to pretends a transwoman is the same as a ciswoman. They objectively are not the same.

A ciswomans body has capabilities that a transwoman does not have.

CyricZ posted...
Mmkay, point to where I said "you are obligated to have sex with a trans woman otherwise you're a bigot". Or even words approaching that.
What other purpose is there to your post?

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averagejoel
06/22/21 2:08:56 PM
#229:


NatsuSama posted...
You were not "incorrectly assigned" the sex, male, if you were born with just a penis.
pretty sure someone would die if they were born with "just a penis"

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MutantJohn
06/22/21 2:13:17 PM
#230:


COVxy posted...
Nobody gives a fuck who you fuck.

People care about the implication that it is not heterosexual to have sex with a transwoman, because it implies that you consider them men.

The point is that you don't accept transpeople. I mean, good for you, you don't want to beat them to death. Give yourself a pat on the back. This does not, however, mean you are accepting of them, or aren't bigoted.
So? Do you not know what tolerance means?

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CyricZ
06/22/21 2:13:25 PM
#231:


NatsuSama posted...
A ciswomans body has capabilities that a transwoman does not have.
Ah now we're getting to it.

And by it I mean "the last desperate line of defense" in these silly arguments.

Go ahead. Tell us what a cis woman's body's capabilities are that a trans woman doesn't have.

What other purpose is there to your post?
So. I didn't say it. You're just saying I did.

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COVxy
06/22/21 2:14:52 PM
#232:


MutantJohn posted...
So? Do you not know what tolerance means?

Is it tolerant to believe that the gays will burn in hell, to want nothing to do with them, but to let them do their own thing?

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WashYourHands
06/22/21 2:17:29 PM
#233:


QueenCarly posted...
the science is on our side not yours, bud
So doctors today are ignoring science when they put a M or a F on a birth certificate?

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asdf8562
06/22/21 2:25:17 PM
#234:


Let me guess the far left argument without even reading the topic.

- ignoring science for feelings by incorrectly labeling cis and trans to be the same

- calling or implying anyone not open to the idea of having sex with a transgendered is a bigot

- a couple users incorrectly proclaiming the sex of an individual was wrongfully assigned. Feelings overriding science of the sex you were born as.

- some users implying anyone not open to the idea of having sex with a transgendered must hate trans people.

- anyone not open to having sex with a transgendered must be Conservative, or religious or a Trump supporter.

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kinetika_
06/22/21 2:28:52 PM
#236:


asdf8562 posted...
Let me guess the far left argument without even reading the topic.

- ignoring science for feelings by incorrectly labeling cis and trans to be the same

- calling or implying anyone not open to the idea of having sex with a transgendered is a bigot

- a couple users incorrectly proclaiming the sex of an individual was wrongfully assigned. Feelings overriding science of the sex you were born as.

- some users implying anyone not open to the idea of having sex with a transgendered must hate trans people.

- anyone not open to having sex with a transgendered must be Conservative, or religious or a Trump supporter.

Don't even have to read posts here to know one of more those was said here.

Cheater, you read the topic. But if you're that clairvoyant... how about telling me the lottery numbers

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CyricZ
06/22/21 2:28:58 PM
#237:


asdf8562 posted...
- ignoring science for feelings by incorrectly labeling cis and trans to be the same
Not once.

- calling or implying anyone not open to the idea of having sex with a transgendered is a bigot
Only MutantJohn as a deliberate strawman.

- a couple users incorrectly proclaiming the sex of an individual was wrongfully assigned. Feelings overriding science of the sex you were born as.
It's called gender identity and it exists independently of physical sex, no matter how much you want to believe it doesn't exist.

- some users implying anyone not open to the idea of having sex with a transgendered must hate trans people.
We actually found that out after they started talking more.

- anyone not open to having sex with a transgendered must be Conservative, or religious or a Trump supporter.
Oh weaksauce. Why bother going that hard?

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Dreepapult
06/22/21 2:35:02 PM
#238:


Well if you want to get at the heart of it for me, yes religion is my main factor. If the person is born XY i can't interact romantically with them. It is forbidden. I'll leave it at that. Otherwise I'll probably get in trouble.

Trans people have a right to exist and all that stuff commonly argued against someone that has "my views". They should absolutely be a protected class.

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CyricZ
06/22/21 2:36:45 PM
#239:


Dreepapult posted...
Well if you want to get at the heart of it for me, yes religion is my main factor. If the person is born XY i can't interact romantically with them. It is forbidden. I'll leave it at that. Otherwise I'll probably get in trouble.
I thank you for your honesty.

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MutantJohn
06/22/21 2:40:05 PM
#241:


COVxy posted...
Is it tolerant to believe that the gays will burn in hell, to want nothing to do with them, but to let them do their own thing?
Yes

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MutantJohn
06/22/21 2:40:17 PM
#242:


metallica846 posted...
Does it make me a bigot if my preferred sexual partners dont have a penis and have also never had a penis?
Yes

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averagejoel
06/22/21 2:40:31 PM
#243:


metallica846 posted...
Does it make me a bigot if my preferred sexual partners dont have a penis and have also never had a penis?
complete exclusion of trans people from your potential sexual partners, for no reason aside from their being trans... is transphobic.

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QueenCarly
06/22/21 2:41:19 PM
#244:


Dreepapult posted...
If the person is born XY i can't interact romantically with them

lolwut

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CyricZ
06/22/21 2:41:37 PM
#245:


metallica846 posted...
Does it make me a bigot if my preferred sexual partners dont have a penis and have also never had a penis?
Having preferences is fine. We all have preferences.

But you see the difference between saying "I have preferences" and "I will never", right?

Then again, are you going to ask every potential sexual partner if they've ever had a penis before sleeping with them?

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asdf8562
06/22/21 2:41:41 PM
#246:


CyricZ posted...
Not once
Given the implications of the topic title, I find this doubtful. But I have no plans to read the topic, so let's take you at your word.

CyricZ posted...
It's called gender identity and it exists independently of physical sex, no matter how much you want to believe it doesn't exist.
I said sex, not gender, nice try.

CyricZ posted...
We actually found that out after they started talking more.
So some users were implying anyone not open to the idea of having sex with a transgendered must hate trans people. Bare in mind I'm not agreeing with the ridiculous assessment one must hate trans people, it's just usually the go to rebuttal the far left uses.

CyricZ posted...
Oh weaksauce. Why bother going that hard?
Was it said?

Since you addressed each individually I'm asking you.
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CyricZ
06/22/21 2:42:58 PM
#248:


asdf8562 posted...
I said sex, nice try.
Oh, then no.

Was it said?
Honestly can't remember. Didn't stick out at least.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

And best of luck to you.

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averagejoel
06/22/21 2:44:19 PM
#250:


asdf8562 posted...
I said sex, nice try.
many people are assigned, at birth, a gender which does not align with their gender identity.

So some users were implying anyone not open to the idea of having sex with a transgendered must hate trans people.
no. some people are recognizing that it is possible to be transphobic without outright hatred of trans people

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Dreepapult
06/22/21 2:44:23 PM
#251:


QueenCarly posted...
lolwut
What's funny? If they are biologically male they are not a potential partner. Pretty cut and dry.

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