Poll of the Day > Literally all 50 Portland riot police officers resign

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with adjl as usual

I like the Hitler meat burger joke.

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Muscles posted...

1. It's possible for some people to peacefully protest while others riot
2. It's not like cops don't love to break up peaceful protests for no reason, how many peaceful hippies got beat in the 60s and 70s?

if they are breaking the law by being there, and don't leave when asked, how else are the police supposed to get them to leave? just ask over and over?
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Great!

Had to log-out to see what adjl was talking this time, and yep, nonsense, as usual. I suppose he believes that the prosecution should have the same power to just do whatever the fuck they want, all the time. Lol. What a joke argument that the police cant all quit to support their colleague being charged with such a minor offense. Prosecution is really grasping at any case, regardless of how poor it is, to have something to do, and follow the anti-police agenda.

I dont even like police, and Im sitting here saying this.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

if they are breaking the law by being there, and don't leave when asked, how else are the police supposed to get them to leave? just ask over and over?

How is peaceful protesting breaking the law?

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Muscles posted...

How is peaceful protesting breaking the law?

Protest actions require permits.

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Imagine if every time a teacher got charged with fucking a student all the other teachers resigned in protest

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adjl posted...

Emergency services are rarely allowed full freedom to take job action due to the potential for disastrous consequences if their roles aren't filled. The fact that literal lives on the line makes that necessary. Modified provisions generally exist, but they generally amount to requiring alternative coverage to be arranged. A paramedic that decided to quit mid-call and let a patient die in the back of an ambulance, for example, would face charges for doing so.

Yes. A paramedic walking away from their job with a patient in the backseat is definitely the same thing.

I get it. Cops are bad and I hate all this shit too. But to suggest they should be charged with some crime for quitting their jobs is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever seen you say. Usually you have your shit together. You can just admit that was a dumb thing to say and we can move on.

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

if they are breaking the law by being there, and don't leave when asked, how else are the police supposed to get them to leave? just ask over and over?

people have the right to protest

protesting is not breaking the law

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

you can't force people to volunteer for other parts of their job

Its almost impressive that youre that stupid.

zebatov posted...

Great!

Had to log-out to see what adjl was talking this time, and yep, nonsense, as usual. I suppose he believes that the prosecution should have the same power to just do whatever the fuck they want, all the time. Lol. What a joke argument that the police cant all quit to support their colleague being charged with such a minor offense. Prosecution is really grasping at any case, regardless of how poor it is, to have something to do, and follow the anti-police agenda.

I dont even like police, and Im sitting here saying this.

After reading your post hes doin the right thing blocking you. Youre a racist. Not Zeus bad but ya got issues.

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Smarkil posted...

Yes. A paramedic walking away from their job with a patient in the backseat is definitely the same thing.

I get it. Cops are bad and I hate all this shit too. But to suggest they should be charged with some crime for quitting their jobs is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever seen you say. Usually you have your shit together. You can just admit that was a dumb thing to say and we can move on.

Try doing that in any other union and see how fucked you get by not negotiating with the union. Especially if it's not actually regarding anything to do with the workplace, but defending a fucking idiot coworker.

As a steelworker, my dad and his coworkers can't just fucking jump ship to defend a coworker that assaulted someone. That is not how it work. Calling someone else dumb when you don't seem to have accurate knowledge of unions isn't that smart.

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Logging out to see posts is my thing. Damn copiers.

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Literally all 50 Portland riot police officers

They only had 50?

That doesn't sound right, but now I'm actually curious.

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Soup_or_Science posted...

They only had 50?
That doesn't sound right, but now I'm actually curious.

It's not, it's the officers who volunteered to do extra work, and work as riot police. I'm not sure if they're being paid extra or not.

But, they still will continue with their position as a cop along with everyone else who didn't volunteer for riot duty.

Soup_or_Science posted...

They only had 50?

That doesn't sound right, but now I'm actually curious.

riot police, not 50 cops.
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ReturnOfFa posted...

Try doing that in any other union and see how fucked you get by not negotiating with the union. Especially if it's not actually regarding anything to do with the workplace, but defending a fucking idiot coworker.

As a steelworker, my dad and his coworkers can't just fucking jump ship to defend a coworker that assaulted someone. That is not how it work. Calling someone else dumb when you don't seem to have accurate knowledge of unions isn't that smart.

it's voluntary for them to be a part of the riot squad
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yeah they volunteer for a job where they get paid like $80 an hour for hazard pay and they get to beat people up with no consequences

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"What do you mean I have to pay for my crimes? I didn't sign up for this."

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

riot police, not 50 cops.

No I understand that, guess it's about right though

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Mead posted...

yeah they volunteer for a job where they get paid like $80 an hour for hazard pay and they get to beat people up with no consequences

Remember last summer when we were barraged with literally thousands of videos of police brutality and nothing changed.

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Smarkil posted...

Yes. A paramedic walking away from their job with a patient in the backseat is definitely the same thing.

Logically? Yeah, it is. Obviously, that's a much more immediate danger than simply not having a riot squad for a few days, but fundamentally, it's a matter of people who have a responsibility to ensure the safety and well-being of those under their care shirking that duty as a means of coercing society into giving them what they want. If a riot were to have happened on Friday night, it can be reasonably presumed that the riot force's inaction would have resulted in pretty substantial property damage, injuries, and possibly death, and they took this action knowing full well that the threat of that would help get them what they wanted.

Broadly, collective bargaining works because the employer values the workforce's collective productivity more than they value whatever the workforce's demands will cost. In cases of emergency services, though, that question of productivity and costs moves beyond money and into questions of saving/costing innocent lives. That's not something we want anyone to be bargaining with, so - by necessity - emergency services have limits placed on what sort of job actions they're allowed to take. Otherwise, you'd see the power granted by controlling lives abused by corrupt individuals and forces to effect privileges those emergency services should never have (such as not being charged for committing assault). That corruption is exactly what's happened here, with the entire force resigning to use the threat of innocents in danger to protest their colleague being held accountable for his actions.

The line between ethical collective bargaining and corruption can be fine, sometimes, but when the end goal is something as clearly malicious as preventing a colleague from being charged for a crime he obviously committed, there's little question as to which side it falls on. This was an act of corruption, and that corruption should be met with appropriate legal consequences.

FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

After reading your post hes doin the right thing blocking you. Youre a racist. Not Zeus bad but ya got issues.

Oh, he blocked me, which means he decided to keep me from seeing his posts (after ignoring me off and on for a while). The last exchange I remember having with him was one where he tried to claim that the increase in overdose cases in BC over the past year had resulted in more deaths than Covid had (his central argument being that Covid restrictions had done more harm than Covid could have), to which I replied with actual monthly death numbers (which he asked for) that showed that was nowhere close to being the case. Apparently he just got tired of being proven wrong so frequently, so instead of trying to not be wrong, he took away people's ability to see how wrong he was.

Really, I treat it as a compliment. He has explicitly admitted that he is too inferior to ever hope to compete with me. That comparison may not be particularly high praise, but I appreciate the sentiment.

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adjl posted...

Oh, he blocked me, which means he decided to keep me from seeing his posts (after ignoring me off and on for a while). The last exchange I remember having with him was one where he tried to claim that the increase in overdose cases in BC over the past year had resulted in more deaths than Covid had (his central argument being that Covid restrictions had done more harm than Covid could have), to which I replied with actual monthly death numbers (which he asked for) that showed that was nowhere close to being the case. Apparently he just got tired of being proven wrong so frequently, so instead of trying to not be wrong, he took away people's ability to see how wrong he was.

Really, I treat it as a compliment. He has explicitly admitted that he is too inferior to ever hope to compete with me. That comparison may not be particularly high praise, but I appreciate the sentiment.

Makes sense. Its the same tactic Zeus uses when hes losing. Glad you kept at it btw. Someone needs to shut the deniers down.

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