Poll of the Day > Metroid: DREAD trailer...

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Mead posted...

I dont think its far fetched considering the switch install base and the way they seem to be hyping up the game

It'll probably sell well but I highly doubt 7 mil. Metroid is a big franchise but it's no mario. Don't see a 2d version selling THAT much

Metroid's not even a big franchise tbh

It's a cult hit that's hated by its own publisher

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OhhhJa posted...

Super metroid: 1.42 million units sold
Metroid prime: 7.15 millions units sold

In other words, it would take more than 5 super metroids to equal the sales of the 3 prime games

Congrats on your ability to manipulate statistics by directly comparing game sales without factoring in differing market conditions at the periods of release, which makes direct comparisons invalid.

More importantly, your argument I quoted was that Prime was a better game than Super. Argumentum ad populum is not a valid argument in that favor.

OhhhJa posted...

It'll probably sell well but I highly doubt 7 mil. Metroid is a big franchise but it's no mario. Don't see a 2d version selling THAT much

given the cooling period for the games, and the prominence of a lot of 2d indie titles with current gamers, i think its callback to the older gameplay may actually help it

so many people during covid got a switch after not having gamed very much since their sidescroller Mario/sonic days as kids. Something like this might speak to a lot of folks and a bunch of nerds are creating buzz about how its neat that theyre doing a follow up to a series that had its last title released 19 years ago and is supposed to wrap up the story of Metroid so far.

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sveksii posted...

Congrats on your ability to manipulate statistics by directly comparing game sales without factoring in differing market conditions at the periods of release, which makes direct comparisons invalid.

More importantly, your argument I quoted was that Prime was a better game than Super. Argumentum ad populum is not a valid argument in that favor.

Well, it's only fair that I counter your ridiculous assertion about prime being mediocre with simple facts. If they were mediocre then why did it get two more installments after the first game? Why did prime 1 sell better than super metroid? Why did prime 3 sell better than super metroid? Why after all these years is there still enough demand to warrant a 4th installment?

As much as I love all metroid 2D and 3D, the prime series is clearly the high point of the franchise tbh

Mead posted...

given the cooling period for the games, and the prominence of a lot of 2d indie titles with current gamers

There has been a resurgence in popularity of 2D games among the Nintendo base but it's also kind of a flooded market now. They're doing it with so many games. Metroid isn't even nearly as big as something like donkey kong and tropical freeze has sold just over 2 mil to date

OhhhJa posted...

There has been a resurgence in popularity of 2D games among the Nintendo base but it's also kind of a flooded market now. They're doing it with so many games. Metroid isn't even nearly as big as something like donkey kong and tropical freeze has sold just over 2 mil to date

well see

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I mean, regardless of what the figures are, I'll be buying it. I play every metroid

OhhhJa posted...

Metroid isn't even nearly as big as something like donkey kong

I am not so sure about this, but maybe.

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OhhhJa posted...

Well, it's only fair that I counter your ridiculous assertion about prime being mediocre with simple facts. If they were mediocre then why did it get two more installments after the first game? Why did prime 1 sell better than super metroid? Why did prime 3 sell better than super metroid? Why after all these years is there still enough demand to warrant a 4th installment?

As much as I love all metroid 2D and 3D, the prime series is clearly the high point of the franchise tbh

Why did Prime sell more than Super? Perhaps it's because the overall video game market was larger when Prime was released? Perhaps it was because there was less quality games to chose from for Gamecube owners that would have eaten into Prime's overall sales. Perhaps FPS were more popular than platformers. There are thousands of reasons you could argue.

However, that's irrelevant. You're arguing fallacies. Popularity does not imply quality. Are you going to argue that FarmVille is a far better game than any of the Metroid series?

Honestly, I wasn't even really commenting on the quality or lack there of of Prime. It was more a criticism of usage of "nostalgia goggles" to hand wave away any valid discussion on the quality of 2d Metroid games. If you want to argue that Super was an old game and that positive opinions of the game are due "nostalgia goggles", at this point Prime is also an old series and you could likewise argue that positive opinions of the game are due to "nostalgia goggles".

OhhhJa posted...

I mean, regardless of what the figures are, I'll be buying it. I play every metroid

see? Number is already going up

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sveksii posted...

Why did Prime sell more than Super? Perhaps it's because the overall video game market was larger when Prime was released? Perhaps it was because there was less quality games to chose from for Gamecube owners that would have eaten into Prime's overall sales. Perhaps FPS were more popular than platformers. There are thousands of reasons you could argue.

However, that's irrelevant. You're arguing fallacies. Popularity does not imply quality. Are you going to argue that FarmVille is a far better game than any of the Metroid series?

Honestly, I wasn't even really commenting on the quality or lack there of of Prime. It was more a criticism of usage of "nostalgia goggles" to hand wave away any valid discussion on the quality of 2d Metroid games. If you want to argue that Super was an old game and that positive opinions of the game are due "nostalgia goggles", at this point Prime is also an old series and you could likewise argue that positive opinions of the game are due to "nostalgia goggles".

It may not have been clearly explained but my nostalgia goggles comment was aimed at the tendency of older gamers to be extremely biased against 3D adaptations of the beloved 2D franchises of their childhood. Everyone has the right to their opinion, but I think unconscious biases involving childhood nostalgia play a huge role for a lot of people

I don't wanna seem like I'm in some 3D > 2D camp. That's not the case. Hell, I replayed Super metroid just last year lol

Mead posted...

see? Number is already going up

7 milion and one

OhhhJa posted...

It may not have been clearly explained but my nostalgia goggles comment was aimed at the tendency of older gamers to be extremely biased against 3D adaptations of the beloved 2D franchises of their childhood. Everyone has the right to their opinion, but I think unconscious biases involving childhood nostalgia play a huge role for a lot of people

For me it is a simple question of "Does this game work in 3D".

Sonic I think for the most part does (bad 3D games after Adventure 1+2 aside) because the game is still about speed and timing. Ninja Gaiden is another great example. On the other end, platformers didn't work in 3D for a LONG time. They slowed the gameplay down too much, revolved too much on collecting then actual challenge, and levels were focused on large areas you would go over multiple times vs. short and fun levels you can complete in 5-10 minutes.

Where does Metroid fit in for me? Somewhere in the middle. I fully admit the only way Metroid was going to work in 3D was in first person mode (with a 3rd person camera for Morph Ball), but they had to sacrifice so much to get it to work it doesn't feel like a Metroid game anymore. The biggest difference for me is that the stuff they took away (Screw Attack, Speed Booster, Space Jump) are upgrades that are meant to make the backtrack much faster. However, because they are gone, even becoming much stronger doesn't make those areas any easier or make you go through them any faster. It also means they had to get rid of the timer and speedrun type rewards because you just can't improve the speed of the game without sequence breaking. As a result, it just doesn't feel like a Metroidvania style game.

Also, I hate hate HATE the scan visor. It is just another tool to pad the game length to hide the fact that once you get 100% of the items there is no more replayability.

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The Mercury Steam Samus Returns is not for everybody, but I like the changes it made to the formula, and I get the feeling Dread will be a good fit for me.

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sveksii posted...

If you want to argue that Super was an old game and that positive opinions of the game are due "nostalgia goggles", at this point Prime is also an old series and you could likewise argue that positive opinions of the game are due to "nostalgia goggles".

Fun fact: The gap between Other M and Dread has been 3 years longer than the gap between Super Metroid and Prime/Fusion (2010-2021, compared to 1994-2002). It's been over a decade since the last new Metroid game (not counting Federation Force, for what I hope are obvious reasons).

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I actually finished playing Federation Force last week with my brother.
We had a blast playing it together on our separate systems(I actually bought a second copy of the game just to have him play with me).
The controls took a while to get used to but it was actually surprisingly fun to play when you got them down.

If the graphics weren't as shit then I'd actually think this game would've been much better received by Metroid fans.
I mean, Chibi style just doesn't clash well with Metroid.
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Looks pretty awesomeee

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Eh, it is pretty much a cynical ploy to make some money back after they decided to cancel Metroid Prime 4. Make a low budget Metroid game and charge $60 for it. Although, 2d Metroidvanias are a dime a dozen now a days, so it is hard to imagine it even mattering

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