Current Events > Should I report co-workers that lie about being vaccinated?

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hockeybub89 posted...

That is literally not true. Stop misusing HIPAA. You can't even spell it.

https://www.hipaajournal.com/ is-it-a-hipaa-violation-to-ask-for-proof-of-vaccine-status/

You'll have to combine the link because gfaqs mobile says its an 80 letter word

It would not be a HIPAA violation for an employer to ask an employees healthcare provider for proof of vaccination. It would however be a HIPAA violation for the employees healthcare provider to disclose that information to the employer unless the individual had provided authorization to do so.


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By people's logic in here a company could force people to go to work naked.

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Perascamin posted...

https://www.hipaajournal.com/ is-it-a-hipaa-violation-to-ask-for-proof-of-vaccine-status/

You'll have to combine the link because gfaqs mobile says its an 80 letter word

It would not be a HIPAA violation for an employer to ask an employees healthcare provider for proof of vaccination. It would however be a HIPAA violation for the employees healthcare provider to disclose that information to the employer unless the individual had provided authorization to do so.

Ok? Who is advocating for employers or schools or airports to ask a third party to disclose your health information to them without your consent? If you don't provide that consent, HIPAA has nothing to do with denying you X or Y service.

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god I hate how many people have started throwing around HIPAA while having absolutely no clue what it means

this isn't like the service dog stories because not being vaccinated is not a disability. now if you were to ask a coworker what's wrong with them, that's usually frowned upon

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hockeybub89 posted...

Ok? Who is advocating for employers or schools or airports to ask a third party to disclose your health information to them without your consent? If you don't provide that consent, HIPAA has nothing to do with denying you X or Y service.

It is ultimately because of HIPAA that people would be protected from not giving their medical info out. Stop being obtuse.

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Perascamin posted...

It is ultimately because of HIPAA that people would be protected from not giving their medical info out. Stop being obtuse.

You still don't understand what HIPAA is. It prevents a doctor from releasing your info without your consent. That's it.

It won't "protect you" against an employer's requirement for you to willingly give them your medical info in exchange for employment or other benefit. This is common sense, otherwise it'd be illegal for employers to require you to provide a doctor's note for a sick day.

It's illegal for anyone to give out your SSN without your consent too, but you're not getting a job if you don't provide it to your employer willingly.

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E_S_M_Z posted...

You still don't understand what HIPAA is. It prevents a doctor from releasing your info without your consent. That's it.

It won't "protect you" against an employer's requirement for you to willingly give them your medical info in exchange for employment or other benefit. This is common sense, otherwise it'd be illegal for employers to require you to provide a doctor's note for a sick day.

It's illegal for anyone to give out your SSN without your consent too, but you're not getting a job if you don't provide it to your employer willingly.

that is actually incorrect. HIPAA violations are not limited to doctors. Its related to many things so yes it could in fact be a HIPAA violation. Its an important point worth discussing.

Bleuets posted...

that is actually incorrect. HIPAA violations are not limited to doctors. Its related to many things so yes it could in fact be a HIPAA violation. Its an important point worth discussing.

Doctor, dentist, nursing home, etc, is irrelevant. HIPAA only covers them sharing information without your consent.

Once again, has nothing to do with an individual providing their their info willingly in exchange for some benefit.


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E_S_M_Z posted...

Doctor, dentist, nursing home, etc, is irrelevant. HIPAA only covers them sharing information without your consent.

Once again, has nothing to do with an individual providing their their info willingly in exchange for some benefit.

And if an individual denies access to their medical records....the person, or rather, place of business for the purpose of this argument, is shit out of luck.

Even like TC talking about physicals and etc in order for him to be in a college, there are still ways to be accepted somewhere with those kind of "requirements" because it's actually just strongly encouraged and not actually mandatory

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skermac posted...

companies should not tell people what to do in their free time only when on the clock, dont intrude on personal lives

I agree with this. But this person is not wearing a mask which is a violation of the on the clock work rule.

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Perascamin posted...

And if an individual denies access to their medical records....the person, or rather, place of business for the purpose of this argument, is shit out of luck.

No, they're not, because they can fire or not hire the person who refuses.

This is directly from hhs.gov, for the users on here who clearly dont know how HIPAA works. Your employer absolutely can require you to show proof of vaccination, mine required me to go get a TB vax when I first started.



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Perascamin posted...

It is ultimately because of HIPAA that people would be protected from not giving their medical info out. Stop being obtuse.

But HIPAA has nothing to do with protecting them from any kind of repercussions for choosing to not provide such information.

Perascamin posted...

And if an individual denies access to their medical records....the person, or rather, place of business for the purpose of this argument, is shit out of luck.

Even like TC talking about physicals and etc in order for him to be in a college, there are still ways to be accepted somewhere with those kind of "requirements" because it's actually just strongly encouraged and not actually mandatory

You know how you get around medical requirements? With a doctor's note that you provide of your own free will. By your logic, employers cannot legally require you to disclose medical records to receive medcal leave, worker's comp or short-term disability. "Technically they're just suggestions that they make sound like requirements" is untrue nonsense.

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I'd report it yea. Covid is no fuckin joke

and fuck anyone else who gives you shit about reporting their lying

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I casually mentioned it to my boss and now it seems like she is wearing it the last day or two. Even back during the height of the pandemic, she was very inconsistent with actually keeping it on her face over her nose and she was spoken to several times about it. If she fucks around, I might up the anonymous hotline just to bitch at corporate. "We care about everyone's health. You're all heroes", my ass. They've been letting us down the entire time.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I casually mentioned it to my boss and now it seems like she is wearing it the last day or two. Even back during the height of the pandemic, she was very inconsistent with actually keeping it on her face over her nose and she was spoken to several times about it. If she fucks around, I might up the anonymous hotline just to bitch at corporate. "We care about everyone's health. You're all heroes", my ass. They've been letting us down the entire time.

Report her and see how it goes. If it's like the standard US story of workplace health violations, this will likely result in no action being taken.

Also if someone refuses consent to their medical records, they can't just be fired at the drop of a hat. There's a process for everything and the larger a business is, the longer is takes for discipline and up to termination to be approved through all avenues

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Perascamin posted...

Also if someone refuses consent to their medical records, they can't just be fired at the drop of a hat. There's a process for everything and the larger a business is, the longer is takes for discipline and up to termination to be approved through all avenues

The goalpost moving your are doing is legendary.


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Perascamin posted...

Report her and see how it goes. If it's like the standard US story of workplace health violations, this will likely result in no action being taken.

Also if someone refuses consent to their medical records, they can't just be fired at the drop of a hat. There's a process for everything and the larger a business is, the longer is takes for discipline and up to termination to be approved through all avenues

I'm not trying to get her fired tomorrow. I'm not trying to get her fired at all. If a talking to from the boss is enough, then I'm cool.

You were still extremely wrong about HIPAA and what it does.

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hockeybub89 posted...

It just isn't fair that acting in bad faith should net the same results as acting in good faith.

if that's your line of reasoning and not the actual good reasons to do so then you're just being petty

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hockeybub89 posted...

I'm not trying to get her fired tomorrow. I'm not trying to get her fired at all. If a talking to from the boss is enough, then I'm cool.

You were still extremely wrong about HIPAA and what it does.

Perascamin posted...

Ain't shit you can do, TC.

So you report someone. What can your place of business do? Ask to see their immunization record?

HIPPA laws baby

This was my first post in this topic, to which you replied with "hahaha you don't know what HIPAA does!" Yeah I didn't spell it right, sorry.

My next argument after that was:

Perascamin posted...

So what other policy or law is it that prevents your place of business from accessing your private information without consent?

And
Perascamin posted...

I started school last year during peak shut down and I didn't have to submit any medical records or get a physical.

I'm not anti-vaxx and I've gotten my covid shots, but like literally a place of business(like a work place) can't force someone to get the covid shot or demand proof of it from the employees because if HIPPA.

You literally can't demand proof of medical history because of HIPAA. Consent is required, which was my entire argument. You can only request : )

You're too busy being "right" and trying to win internet points. The bigger picture here is that it's incredibly difficult for an employer to require proof of vaccination to not wear a mask in the work place because of several factors. People who don't want the vaccine aren't going to get it and will lie about having it so they don't have to wear a mask. We know this because we have seen it happen, its even the entire point of your topic.

Your boss, HR, or underwriting department doesn't want to file several consent forms, argue with employees who refuse to show proof, or lose more employees than it needs to.

And even if the person in a position of power to discipline or fire an employee for refusing to wear a mask and not having the vaccine, that person or group of people who make that decision would ALSO have to be as vindictive as TC in their pursuit of glorious covid justice.


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Perascamin posted...

You literally can't demand proof of medical history because of HIPAA. Consent is required, which was my entire argument. You can only request : )

This is semantics garbage you're backpedaling to after you clearly didnt know how HIPAA works and youre still wrong.

they can demand
you can deny to provide
they can tell you to go somewhere else

what they cannot do is forcibly get the information from your provider, who is the actual covered entity under HIPAA

Perascamin posted...

The bigger picture here is that it's incredibly difficult for an employer to require proof of vaccination to not wear a mask in the work place because of several factors.

They can literally just tell you to wear it if you dont prove youre vaccinated and discipline you if you dont comply.

this is not the catch you seem to think it is

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Perascamin posted...

You're too busy being "right"

You have been too busy being wrong this entire time, just stop posting. You were wrong, I even provided an actual screenshot from a government site about this stuff to prove you were wrong, and you just keep going.

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Funkydog posted...

100% you should

And for all the people in this topic saying no and mocking the notion? Fuck the lot of you.

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DezDroppedFreak posted...

This is semantics garbage you're backpedaling to after you clearly didnt know how HIPAA works and youre still wrong.

they can demand
you can deny to provide
they can tell you to go somewhere else

what they cannot do is forcibly get the information from your provider, who is the actual covered entity under HIPAA

They can literally just tell you to wear it if you dont prove youre vaccinated and discipline you if you dont comply.

this is not the catch you seem to think it is

undefined posted...

So what other policy or law is it that prevents your place of business from accessing your private information without consent?

It's like you don't read

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Your argument was they cant request or demand that information from you

they can. You then shifted your argument after being told you were wrong, and you are still wrong

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Wow is that guy really still arguing this?

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DezDroppedFreak posted...

Your argument was they cant request or demand that information from you

they can. You then shifted your argument after being told you were wrong, and you are still wrong

DezDroppedFreak posted...

Perascamin posted...

So what other policy or law is it that prevents your place of business from accessing your private information without consent?

Read. At this point its just funny to me

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Masks are going away. At this point might as well let it go and accept the masks arent a big thing anymore

Perascamin posted...

Read. At this point its just funny to me

Bro, no one was saying anyone should go behind a person's back and strong arm their doctor or insurance company into disclosing their medical records. Asking you to share some sort of medical record to receive a benefit is not a violation of HIPAA. No one can force you to share those, but HIPAA does not, in any form, protect you from the consequences of refusing those requests.

Again, should your job be obligated to give you medical leave or disability if you refuse to provide any medical proof? They should take you at your word because denying the leave or firing you would be a violation of HIPAA? I was recently out of work for several months and I would have been without pay and eventually fired if I did not release relevant medical records to prove my injury.

Your claim that such requests are actually nothing more than unenforceable polite suggestions is wrong.

Your claim that you can't be denied something for not providing consent is wrong.

You do not know what HIPAA does. You might as well be saying the military protects you from repercussions because HIPAA wouldn't exist if we had lost World War 2. It's a ridiculous stretch that has nothing to do with anything.

You're like the Karen that yells racial slurs in the middle of a Walmart and points to the Bill of Rights when dragged out of the store for causing a nuisance. Congrats. You named a law. Too bad you don't know what it means.

We give consent to do things in this world everyday. I have bad news if you think you can withhold it and still get whatever you want.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Bro, no one was saying anyone should go behind a person's back and strong arm their doctor or insurance company into disclosing their medical records. Asking you to share some sort of medical record to receive a benefit is not a violation of HIPAA. No one can force you to share those, but HIPAA does not, in any form, protect you from the consequences of refusing those requests.

Again, should your job be obligated to give you medical leave or disability if you refuse to provide any medical proof? They should take you at your word because denying the leave or firing you would be a violation of HIPAA? I was recently out of work for several months and I would have been without pay and eventually fired if I did not release relevant medical records to prove my injury.

Your claim that such requests are actually nothing more than unenforceable polite suggestions is wrong.

Your claim that you can't be denied something for not providing consent is wrong.

You do not know what HIPAA does. You might as well be saying the military protects you from repercussions because HIPAA wouldn't exist if we had lost World War 2. It's a ridiculous stretch that has nothing to do with anything.

You're like the Karen that yells racial slurs in the middle of a Walmart and points to the Bill of Rights when dragged out of the store for causing a nuisance. Congrats. You named a law. Too bad you don't know what it means.

We give consent to do things in this world everyday. I have bad news if you think you can withhold it and still get whatever you want.

I haven't suggested remotely anything you've posted

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why not check to see if they had it? it makes little sense to get a vaccine if they already had it.

"man, i was down for a week with the flu so i'm gonna go now and get a flu shot"

lol i know, it sounds pretty silly

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

companies are required, by law, to provide a safe working environment for all employees.

and yes, companies literally tell employees what to do. that's, like, the definition of a job.

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Perascamin posted...

I haven't suggested remotely anything you've posted

Well HIPAA doesn't protect you from shit besides nonconsensual release of your medical information. Anyone can require medical records for X or Y and tell you to take a hike if you withhold consent.

You suggested that all a business can do is make a request and hope, but that they can't do anything to you if you refuse, and that HIPAA is the reason for this. That is all wrong, and if it was true, my employer would have to give me medical leave and trust that I wasn't lying

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