Poll of the Day > I don't like the phrase "Love is love".

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First of all, what is love? Even beyond the classic divisions of Eros, Storge, Philia, and Agape, which are all markedly different things you have more modern subdivisions of it.
Is love still love if only one party feels it? The term unrequited love is well know and acknowledged isn't it? What if one person hates the other, whether a parent and a child or a stalker and a stalk-e, is that still love?
What about love that is socially taboo? Pedastry was accepted as a valid form of love in ancient Greece, while lesbian relationships between adults weren't considered as such.
There is also the fact that love can cause great joy and great pain, and any other number of emotions depending on the exact circumstances it exists in. It can also cause great works to be manifested or great tragedy to be wrought.

Saying "love is love" sounds to me almost like "A gun is a gun" without clarifying if you mean a water gun, BB gun, hand gun, or an assault rifle. It appears to me as a worse than meaningless phrase because it can easily be turned against those who use it.

First of all, baby dont hurt me

MICHALECOLE posted...

baby dont hurt me

dont hurt me

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Second of all, no more

Good pussy is good pussy

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Reigning_King posted...

First of all, what is love? Even beyond the classic divisions of Eros, Storge, Philia, and Agape, which are all markedly different things you have more modern subdivisions of it.
Is love still love if only one party feels it? The term unrequited love is well know and acknowledged isn't it? What if one person hates the other, whether a parent and a child or a stalker and a stalk-e, is that still love?
What about love that is socially taboo? Pedastry was accepted as a valid form of love in ancient Greece, while lesbian relationships between adults weren't considered as such.
There is also the fact that love can cause great joy and great pain, and any other number of emotions depending on the exact circumstances it exists in. It can also cause great works to be manifested or great tragedy to be wrought.

Saying "love is love" sounds to me almost like "A gun is a gun" without clarifying if you mean a water gun, BB gun, hand gun, or an assault rifle. It appears to me as a worse than meaningless phrase because it can easily be turned against those who use it.

What are your thoughts on "Boys will be Boys?"

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MondoMan180 posted...

What are your thoughts on "Boys will be Boys?"

While it doesn't annoy me, I still find it a useless saying. Of course boys will be boys, whatever else could they be? "X is/will be X" is just poorly formatted English no matter how I look at it.

Do girls really just want to have fun?

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Do girls really just want to have fun?

no, they want lunch
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Do girls really just want to have fun?

Actually yes they do, and that song is brilliant for capturing that essence.

Well, Fun & Security. That's it. If you can provide that, you're set w/ girls.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Do girls really just want to have fun?

While I imagine many of them do enjoy having fun, to say that they "just", implying only, want to have fun is preposterous.

Reigning_King posted...

While I imagine many of them do enjoy having fun, to say that they "just", implying only, want to have fun is preposterous.

speaking of fun.....

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the point of the phrase is that non-hetero love is just as valid as hetero love

look beyond the catchphrase, try to actually parse what they're saying beyond surface level words. being semantic does not make you look smart

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agesboy posted...

the point of the phrase is that non-hetero love is just as valid as hetero love

That might be an example, but it's not the point of the phrase

try to actually parse what they're saying beyond surface level words...being semantic does not make you look smart

I feel like these two sentences contradict each other

I'm not attacking you, just making some points

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What is love?

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MondoMan180 posted...

That might be an example, but it's not the point of the phrase

it's the primary point of the phrase as it has been used for the past hundred years or so, which is all that matters in the context of language

it extends beyond hetero love to interracial love and class-difference love, but the message is the same in all these cases

MondoMan180 posted...

I feel like these two sentences contradict each other

I'm not attacking you, just making some points

saying "understand the intent" isn't some kind of sophistry; it's what you should do with everything regarding discussion. do you disagree?

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Why do fools fall in love?

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agesboy posted...

the point of the phrase is that non-hetero love is just as valid as hetero love

The way you say hetero and non-hetero implies that you only mean Eros, or romantic love which excludes the majority of the other types of love from the get go making the phrase even more nonsensical but that aside, not all hetero romantic love is considered valid so logically that means not all non-hetero romantic love is valid. So even excluding most types of love we still have at the very least four different divisions being lumped together.

Reigning_King posted...

The way you say hetero and non-hetero implies that you only mean Eros, or romantic love which excludes

no it doesn't stop trying to build a semantic strawman

"love is love" means in general be accepting of stuff you don't understand, because ignorance doesn't mean you should shun it. the general issues that have been prevalent in recent memories have been flavors of romantic love. what kind of non-romantic love do you see is currently under attack like how interracial love or non-hetero love was in the past hundred years? most people literally don't give a shit about the different flavors of platonic love or other kinds of love

are you just a highschooler looking for a semantics war

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what about...
chapel of love?
everlasting love?
the game of love?

either way, it keeps lifting me higher. just remember, all you need is love, but money can't buy you love
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

but money can't buy you love

it certainly helps at the very least sometimes

aint noone wanna love a penniless chump

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agesboy posted...

"love is love" means in general be accepting of stuff you don't understand, because ignorance doesn't mean you should shun it.

I take great issue with this because the very same people who say things like this shun others all the time. I'm not saying all types of "love" should be accepted, but don't use a phrase that turns you into a hypocrite. There were plenty of people who thought love between different classes was valid who were disgusted by interracial love. There were plenty of people who thought love between different races was valid who were disgusted by homoerotic love. There are plenty of people who think love between the same sex is valid who are disgusted by love between members of the same family. Among the people who think incestuous love is valid I'm sure they have lines and limits that going beyond is disgusting to them where they say "well that's not """real""" love so of course it isn't valid".

Mind you I'm not trying to make some slippery slope argument or anything, it's just an observation of the acceptability of different kinds of love over the last few centuries. I'll also say again that I personally don't find all of the things people call "love" as equally valid, but at the same time I've never once made a bold claim like "Love is love" which outright does imply ALL types are equally valid. "In general" is pretty meaningless when cultural norms change as fast as they do these days and the saying only makes one a hypocrite who is trying to make themselves look better than they are unless they fully believe it.

Blightzkrieg posted...

Good pussy is good pussy

But sometimes you need the bad pussy.
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oh you just really like incest and you wanna justify it

carry on then i guess

whatever tickles your fancy

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agesboy posted...

oh you just really like incest and you wanna justify it

carry on then i guess

whatever tickles your fancy

Give me one good reason it shouldn't be allowed as long as both parties are consenting adults that doesn't boil down to "it's icky!".

Reigning_King posted...

Give me one good reason it shouldn't be allowed as long as both parties are consenting adults that doesn't boil down to "it's icky!".

inbreeding
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Reigning_King posted...

Give me one good reason it shouldn't be allowed as long as both parties are consenting adults that doesn't boil down to "it's icky!".

Dude, stop crushing on your sister.

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

inbreeding

Inbreeding isn't the same thing as incest. Even if one case did result in the kinds of genetic problems associated with multigenerational inbreeding, people with disfiguring and degenerative genetic disorders that they are guaranteed or have a high chance to pass onto their children are not restricted from having those children. Rightfully or wrongfully the right to reproduce trumps any concern for the wellbeing of the child being born. Also this is all assuming they choose to have children or can even physically have them (if they are the same sex for example).

SunWuKung420 posted...

Dude, stop crushing on your sister.

Love is love.

There's nothing inherently wrong with incest between consenting adults that warrants keeping it illegal, but unfortunately, it very often comes with a whole bunch of other problems that mean it isn't actually between consenting adults (namely grooming, but even without deliberate grooming the power dynamic can get weird). That's hard to prevent without a blanket ban, which isn't ideal because it lumps in genuinely consensual cases, but I really don't have an answer for how to solve that problem.

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the cases in which incest are acceptable are waaaaaaaay fewer than wheres some grooming shit going on, yeah

making it legal with caveats would open up a lot more people gaming the system than happy endings, so while ideally we can eventually solve this issue, we can't just yet

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some places have allowed it (or at least did) but they had to get fixed so they couldn't have kids
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One time an Asian guy married Hatsune Miko during her hologram app years. Actually a bunch of people did... A better example would be the friend at the wedding ceremony encouraging other kinds of marriage like to animals.

I believe in a thing called love

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What's love but a second hand emotion?

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