Current Events > Wait so why are people so lax about COVID restrictions?

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what about the other variants from the UK? India?

arent they still dangerous?

Why shouldnt we still be locked down like we were last year?

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Because an unfortunately large percentage of this country are selfish morons who would rather see millions of people die than be mildly inconvenienced.
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Because mah rights

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Because half the population is fully vaccinated (way more in some states) and daily cases nationwide are lower than theyve been in 15 months?

I swear to god you people never want to return to normal

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So far, they've said the vaccines are effective against the variants.

The vaccines appear to be effective against the known variants so far.

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PesticideDream posted...

So far, they've said the vaccines are effective against the variants.

This, combined with the fact that in most scenarios it's effortless to lie about having gotten the vaccine.

The lock down restrictions basically ended as soon as the CDC said that being unmasked with the shot is ok

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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

what about the other variants from the UK? India?

there's nothing to worry about from those variants. the one to worry about is the UK/india combined variant from vietnam. it's very dangerous.

also to note: think they lowered my county to moderate status instead of high. taco bell lobby still closed until further notice (likely until the pandemic is over or the cases go super low).
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Its called following the science . CDC said if youre fully vaccinated you dont have to wear a mask for the most part.

Conservative paradise, its the perfect thing to bitch about. Think about it, Covid has it all: conspiracies, Democrat shenanigans, CHINA, Bill Gates, the Bible, muh rahts, xenophobia, racism, classism, unemployment, gov handouts...Covid touches on basically all their hot buttons except abortion and homosexuality.

Why would they want that to go away? They don't think its real anyway and gives them one hell of a platform to babble on.

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The average human being only gives a shit about things that directly impact them

They dont care until it happens to them or somebody they care about.

Sad but true

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SSJPurple posted...

The average human being only gives a shit about things that directly impact them

They dont care until it happens to them or somebody they care about.

Sad but true

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RebelElite791 posted...

Because half the population is fully vaccinated (way more in some states) and daily cases nationwide are lower than theyve been in 15 months?

I swear to god you people never want to return to normal

CableZL posted...

The vaccines appear to be effective against the known variants so far.

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PoundGarden posted...

^you realize some people can't get the vaccine, and vaccinated people can still become infected and spread it, right?

They dont care about us.

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Also, even if the new case counts on their own are comparable to when we were locked down last year, it isn't the same situation at all. We locked down because the case counts were skyrocketing and we didn't have any effective treatment at all. Also, new case counts are steadily decreasing now.

We now have multiple vaccines that work very well. I believe I heard that the people who are getting hospitalized from covid now are people who weren't vaccinated.

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CableZL posted...

I believe I heard that the people who are getting hospitalized from covid now are people who weren't vaccinated.

that's the case. very few breakthrough infections.
even a hospital in bend oregon is getting overwhelmed due to people not getting the vaccine.
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Because other variants, especially vaccine resistant variants don't affect us until they start popping up here, or elsewhere. So it's better and smarter to wait until that happens first and then start taking measures.

Kinda like how we handled it at the start.

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Because dumb people, regardless of political party, just like going to extremes even when caution is still a responsible approach.

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Strider102 posted...

Because other variants, especially vaccine resistant variants don't affect us until they start popping up here, or elsewhere. So it's better and smarter to wait until that happens first and then start taking measures.

Kinda like how we handled it at the start.

Hopefully not serious...

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To the people that still want everything locked down, why? Tell me what you would like to see

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im kinda glad everything is opening up. But Im still going to do what it takes to prevent from getting sick, washing my hands,
social distancing and wearing masks. My family has been vaccinated so I know Im safe around them, but in public i gotta be more careful.

but theres so much progress in the last 6 months with numbers going down and people getting vaccines.

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Smackems posted...

To the people that still want everything locked down, why? Tell me what you would like to see

They don't want to open until everyone is vaccinated, which is a stupid position because short of rounding people up and forcing them to get one (which will never happen for a million hopefully obvious reasons), most people who are going to get it have gotten it by now. We're never going to hit 100%

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AzNDarkSamurai posted...

what about the other variants from the UK? India?

What does that have to do with us? Bar travel to any and all their residents until when/if they finally get it under control.

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Why u wear mask
Covid hoax
Etc
5G


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Smackems posted...

To the people that still want everything locked down, why? Tell me what you would like to see

I don't like lockdowns and mandates on principle, but I do advocate caution. As far as when I'll say it's safe to act like everything is totally normal. I'd say if the number of cases in your county is 0 for 2 weeks.

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I'm also willing to go with my other guiding principle of caution which is the "struck by lightning" safety principle I have. Which is that if something's probably is less likely that getting struck by lightning, it is not worth your time to worry about it.

According to the NWS Storm Data, over the last 30 years (1989-2018) the U.S. has averaged 43 reported lightning fatalities per year. Only about 10% of people who are struck by lightning are killed, leaving 90% with various degrees of disability. More recently, in the last 10 years (2009-2018), the U.S. has averaged 27 lightning fatalities.

So like at US cases under 270 we can not worry at all. That or 0 cases in your county for 2 weeks.

But that's a separate question than lockdowns and mandates. I don't know if I was every fully on board with the authoritarian nature of lockdowns and mandates, even if they were clearly for the greater good.

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We shouldn't be opening up until

- vax rates are 70%-90%
- case counts are down such that community spread is unlikely
- there are no potentially vaccine escaping variants of concern in the community

GregShmedley posted...

Masks mandates, restrictions on indoor dining and events, and limits on gathering should be in effect everywhere until the majority of the US is vaccinated. If it requires forcing vaccinations in certain circumstances, so be it.

The only reasons I've seen in favor of lifting restrictions are dishonestly referring to the CDC guidelines because they are selfishly tired of being "locked down."

This isn't a stab at you as I don't know how your response will be, but it is extremely frustrating seeing users like Rebel, who are actually intelligent, take such a poorly thought out stance. No person capable of critical thinking that believes the pandemic is over when considering the following facts:
-we will not reach herd immunity via vaccinations
-the required herd immunity will be reached via natural infections that will potentially overwhelm hospitals again across the country
-hundreds of people are dying daily still in the US
-we are still way early on to hand waive concerns over the vaccine efficacy against variants
-these variants are mutating quickly and will continue to do so among the unvaccinated
-vaccinated people can still get and transmit the disease, even if little (for now)

The pandemic is not over by a long shot and way too many people are think otherwise.

I don't really have a response. I read the responses to my question and will consider them

I was genuinely just asking. I know that raises red flags to a lot of people here but that's all it was lol

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uwa ej posted...

We shouldn't be opening up until

- vax rates are 70%-90%
- case counts are down such that community spread is unlikely
- there are no potentially vaccine escaping variants of concern in the community

I mean what are these guidelines based on? Did you just make them up? Lets follow the medical experts at the CDC and the science .

Its ridiculous that people act like we were actually locked down for any appreciable length of time. It took maybe a month or two for restrictions to ease in the places that actually took those precautions.

LOL at acting like mask mandates and social distancing protocols constitute a lockdown.

Cause people are stupid as fuck and dont understand herd immunity and dont give a fuck about others.

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Bleuets posted...

I mean what are these guidelines based on? Did you just make them up? Lets follow the medical experts at the CDC and the science .

Which one should we follow, the CDC or the science?

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joe40001 posted...

Which one should we follow, the CDC or the science?

don't give him the time of day. dudes a dipshit qultist just trolling the "follow the science" meme

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uwa ej posted...

vax rates are 70%

that's the number the oregon governor is aiming for before lifting most of the restrictions, on a county by county basis.
maga heads in the eastern have the lowest numbers of vaccinated.
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GregShmedley posted...

Masks mandates, restrictions on indoor dining and events, and limits on gathering should be in effect everywhere until the majority of the US is vaccinated. If it requires forcing vaccinations in certain circumstances, so be it.

The only reasons I've seen in favor of lifting restrictions are dishonestly referring to the CDC guidelines because they are selfishly tired of being "locked down."

This isn't a stab at you as I don't know how your response will be, but it is extremely frustrating seeing users like Rebel, who are actually intelligent, take such a poorly thought out stance. No person capable of critical thinking that believes the pandemic is over when considering the following facts:
-we will not reach herd immunity via vaccinations
-the required herd immunity will be reached via natural infections that will potentially overwhelm hospitals again across the country
-hundreds of people are dying daily still in the US
-we are still way early on to hand waive concerns over the vaccine efficacy against variants
-these variants are mutating quickly and will continue to do so among the unvaccinated
-vaccinated people can still get and transmit the disease, even if little (for now)

The pandemic is not over by a long shot and way too many people are think otherwise.

Forced vaccinations is never going to happen. Again, for what should be obvious reasons. So with that in mind, how do you propose to get to a higher vaccination %?

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Honestly I believe things are getting lifted because we're at a point where someone in the govt did a cost-benefit analysis and decided the continued damage to the economy is a worse trade off than the amount of deaths we'll see going forward.

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CableZL posted...

The vaccines appear to be effective against the known variants so far.

nice

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I haven't even received a single Covid vaccine shot.
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ECOMI posted...

I haven't even received a single Covid vaccine shot.

Personally I respect our troops so I was happy to have military personnel adminsiter the shots to me. No side effects so far either (Im about 72 hours after the 2nd shot now).

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RebelElite791 posted...

Because half the population is fully vaccinated (way more in some states) and daily cases nationwide are lower than theyve been in 15 months?

I swear to god you people never want to return to normal

this

my county is doing great with vaccinations

Time to party imo



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uwa ej posted...

We shouldn't be opening up until

- vax rates are 70%-90%
- case counts are down such that community spread is unlikely
- there are no potentially vaccine escaping variants of concern in the community

We are already meeting 2 and 3. Change 1 to a reasonable level, like the levels we are at since cases have continued to fall, and Israel showed this level of vaccination allows for reopening with no case surge, and then I agree we should open up.

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Cause my rights goddammit.
Plus I'm fully vaccinated and not going to live my life in fear.


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If you're in the US and not vaccinated at this point (barring a medical reason) then that's your fault. The world doesn't stop for the flu and Corona is here to stay. If people wanna stay locked up inside at this point go ahead, for the rest of us sane folks, we're gonna go back to living life and not worry about this anymore.
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I'm not getting the vaccine. I'm also not staying locked up. I live in Arizona, and my governor says I don't have to get the vaccine.
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GregShmedley posted...

Masks mandates, restrictions on indoor dining and events, and limits on gathering should be in effect everywhere until the majority of the US is vaccinated. If it requires forcing vaccinations in certain circumstances, so be it.

The only reasons I've seen in favor of lifting restrictions are dishonestly referring to the CDC guidelines because they are selfishly tired of being "locked down."

This isn't a stab at you as I don't know how your response will be, but it is extremely frustrating seeing users like Rebel, who are actually intelligent, take such a poorly thought out stance. No person capable of critical thinking that believes the pandemic is over when considering the following facts:
-we will not reach herd immunity via vaccinations
-the required herd immunity will be reached via natural infections that will potentially overwhelm hospitals again across the country
-hundreds of people are dying daily still in the US
-we are still way early on to hand waive concerns over the vaccine efficacy against variants
-these variants are mutating quickly and will continue to do so among the unvaccinated
-vaccinated people can still get and transmit the disease, even if little (for now)

The pandemic is not over by a long shot and way too many people are think otherwise.

If you think hospitals are gonna get overloaded again, then I don't think you should be telling others that they don't know what they're talking about cause clearly you have no idea yourself.

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Because you touch yourself at night.

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