Current Events > Female student is under threat of expulsion for saying that women have vaginas

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CommonGrackle posted...

if she was asked by someone what she felt about something then we can't fault her for being honest no matter what she said.

Cancel culture is reaching new heights. Now universities are like they were in the dark ages. Places where you can only learn to repeat the dogmas.

Vyrulisse posted...

Universities were supposed to be places where you could have discourse and debate. Now they are just echo chambers and wrongthink is harshly punished.

Don't even. You want an echo chamber too.
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Can I get a summary on what's going on in this topic?

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Cheater87 posted...

Wow, an investigation is going on over her comments.

Yes. The University is required to investigate when students/staff complain. Should they just ignore complaints?

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Bishop9800 posted...

Can I get a summary on what's going on in this topic?

Law student might have said TERFy stuff and a university is investigating the complaints. TERFs defend her. Others don't. Nobody has full context on what was actually said.

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CommonGrackle posted...

if she was asked by someone what she felt about something then we can't fault her for being honest no matter what she said.

So if I ask some racist, "What are your opinions on Black people?" He can't get in trouble for anything he says?
That's some fucking loophole!

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ChocoboMog123 posted...

So if I ask some racist, "What are your opinions on Black people?" He can't get in trouble for anything he says?
That's some fucking loophole!

depends on what you mean by "in trouble"

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Squall28 posted...

The people who say stuff like women have vaginas hence the op, talk about men and women as the sexes.

I'm not seeing that's what she meant anywhere in the article. I'm not seeing that it isn't, either, for the record.

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CyricZ posted...

Law student might have said TERFy stuff

Lmao really dude?

Anyways I'm outtie. Mods over here modding about talking about biology.

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The one "good" thing about these topics is the transphobes can't help but rabidly expose themselves, so helps knowing who to ignore/tag/whatever.

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Squall28 posted...

Lmao really dude?

Anyways I'm outtie. Mods over here modding about talking about biology.

Yeah, thats the context that everyone needs.

Oh wait, youre leaving things out? Not on MY CE.
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ChocoboMog123 posted...

So if I ask some racist, "What are your opinions on Black people?" He can't get in trouble for anything he says?
That's some fucking loophole!

krazychao5 posted...

depends on what you mean by "in trouble"

again I have no idea what happened. just that it was during a lecture.

however if we are asking people what they think and then punishing them that's basically the equivalent of "entrapment".
otherwise, what? you want them to be dishonest?

CommonGrackle posted...

again I have no idea what happened. just that it was during a lecture.

however if we are asking people what they think and then punishing them that's basically the equivalent of "entrapment".
otherwise, what? you want them to be dishonest?

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect law students not to have shitty opinions.

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FarFromFields posted...

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect law students not to have shitty opinions.

Prepare to be surprised. Or unsurprised, as the case may be.

We are notorious for our shitty takes.

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Its offensive now to say that women have vaginas?

For fuck sake the clowns are running the circus

Okay so, I actually am currently enrolled in college. The student should not face expulsion over this. At worst, she should receive a warning from the Code of Conduct Committee or whomever handles these situations at that university.

People are correct in that you can pretty much say whatever you want on a college campus. That doesnt mean you wont face consequences whatever they may be. If people are offended, they have a right to report you. Every year at my college, we have religious preachers come onto campus and tell everyone that theyre going to Hell for sinning. Its always a huge commotion that draws a large crowd outside. Nobody actually gets offended because who cares what random people shout. Were there to get an education. Not to debate ignorant people. Even some of my professors have said questionable things at times but the students usually just ignore it and stick it out until the class is over for the semester.

Expulsion should only be reserved for the most heinous of things. For example, I met someone who was raped by a fellow student on campus. It took some encouragement and support from myself and few others but she finally reported it and he was expelled. There was another student who was planning to shoot up the school. He was expelled, too. Expulsion is appropriate for situations such as those. I dont think it applies to the student in question unless she went out of her way to harass a specific group of people multiple times. The university should just call her in, talk to her about what she did wrong, makes sure she understand why it was wrong and why people felt offended, and maybe have her issue an apology.

As someone who has had college taken away before due to problems on campus, I cannot wish that upon anyone else. It is very depressing and demoralizing. Expulsion should really be a last resort for dangerous people. The student in question may be ignorant and insensitive but I dont think shes a danger unless theres information we are not aware of.

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coh posted...

Its offensive now to say that women have vaginas?

For fuck sake the clowns are running the circus

How much did you read?

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Guide posted...

How much did you read?

probably nothing past the topic title

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VioletMassacre posted...

I always see the trans defenders go ballistic in these topics and label everyone who doesnt 100% agree a transphobe.

I'm curious of what disagreements, outside of possibly sports, would there be regards trans people that wouldn't result in dehumanizing them.

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Guide posted...

How much did you read?

In this topic, or as a child? Never mind the answer is probably the same for both.

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Scarecrow17 posted...

The university should just call her in, talk to her about what she did wrong, makes sure she understand why it was wrong and why people felt offended, and maybe have her issue an apology.

Do you apologize to the religious preachers for the things you are doing wrong in their eyes? Yeah, didn't think so...

The student in question is not that hot
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/05/15/14/43022758-9581035-Lisa_Keogh_pictured_29_who_studies_law_at_Abertay_University_in_-m-38_1621086589073.jpg

Top over, move on guys /joke

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Squall28 posted...

Lmao really dude?

Well okay, if you prefer I can amend that to "Law student definitely said TERFy stuff" given the odds, but I was feeling charitable.

Scarecrow17 posted...

The student should not face expulsion over this. At worst, she should receive a warning from the Code of Conduct Committee or whomever handles these situations at that university.

And honestly I feel there's a pretty good likelihood that she won't. The "expulsion" aspect was sensationalized by the TC and the article they linked to, given that's an extreme outcome of the disciplinary review. I'm pretty sure no one in this topic nor referenced in the article is calling for this student's expulsion.


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See them crawl out of the woodwork yet again. Easy tags as per usual.

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VayneSolus posted...

Do you apologize to the religious preachers for the things you are doing wrong in their eyes? Yeah, didn't think so...

Vayne do you think being transgender is a religion?

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CommonGrackle posted...

again I have no idea what happened. just that it was during a lecture.

however if we are asking people what they think and then punishing them that's basically the equivalent of "entrapment".
otherwise, what? you want them to be dishonest?

Yeah, we don't have context. So saying, "She shouldn't have been put into review that may end in expulsion," is really revealing people's biases (bigotry).
And, yes, if you ask someone, "What do you think of Black people?" And they respond calling them the n-work, that's not a entrapment, that's not even a trap.That's just a shitty person showing who they are.

BTW,

"Entrapment is a practice in which a law enforcement agent or agent of the state induces a person to commit a "crime" that the person would have otherwise been unlikely or unwilling to commit.[1] It "is the conception and planning of an offense by an officer or agent, and the procurement of its commission by one who would not have perpetrated it except for the trickery, persuasion or fraud of the officer or state agent."[2]"

In particular, providing the opportunity to commit an offense is protected under law, because, again, it's just a shitty person showing they're shitty. Entrapment that's not ok is convincing or coercing someone to do something they otherwise wouldn't and then nailing them for it. Canada has a pretty simple description of the difference that's relevant here:

There are two different forms of entrapment in Canadian law.
Random virtue testing: this form of entrapment occurs when the police offer an individual the opportunity to commit a crime without reasonable suspicion that either that individual or where that individual is located is associated with the criminal activity under investigation. If police have such a reasonable suspicion, they are still limited to providing only an opportunity to commit the offence.
Inducement of an offence: this form of entrapment occurs when the police go beyond merely providing an opportunity to commit an offence but actually induce the commission of the offense. Some factors a court may consider when deciding whether police have induced the offence include the type of crime being investigated, whether an average person would have been induced, the persistence and number of attempts made by the police, the type of inducement used (fraud, deceit, reward, etc.), and the existence of express or implied threats.

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Oh God I missed Crackle grossly misusing entrapment. That's hilarious.

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This is the reality we live in.

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CyricZ posted...

Law student might have said TERFy stuff and a university is investigating the complaints. TERFs defend her. Others don't. Nobody has full context on what was actually said.

Burn the TERFs! They are subhuman, right?

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CyricZ posted...

Where does one draw the line?

At what point does "I require feeling comfortable discussing the most ridiculously offensive ideas I can come up with" work against "I require feeling physically safe and not discriminated for a physical aspect of myself I can't control"?

Those two things aren't at odds.

University is not just about coming up with the stupidest things you can come up with; it's also about teaching people how to present ideas while still considering the ramifications of having presented those ideas.

Well thank god we have people who've already decided what is too stupid to discuss, it makes it convenient such that we never need to discuss those things again. Sure would be shitty if we were wrong about any assumption about what should be discussed, which, of course, we will never find out because we can't discuss it.

You understand that hyper-religious people used the same logic of "taboo" ideas to prevent the acceptance of say gay culture, right?

And at that time anybody talking about gay acceptance was "obviously wrong" and "offensive". So by being on the side of "don't let us discuss things that are 'obviously wrong' and 'offensive'", you are on the side of fighting against gay acceptance for pretty much any year before say 1980.

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Cancel female students

Slayer_22 posted...

I thought women had small octopi living on their groin that consumed anything that touched it, and would retreat inside when women were threatened.

Where the hell did you learn Sex ed? Catholic school?

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Turbam posted...

Since the weiner is just a mutated clitoris, we all have vaginas :V

That's... that's not how that works
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