Current Events > I'm playing through Legend of Dragoon! *spoilers*

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I wouldn't have really figured on speed getting people additional turns as a kid.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

I wouldn't have really figured on speed getting people additional turns as a kid.

Neither did the people who made the Prima guide, since their team comp was Dart, Lavitz, Kongol lol

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I admit that I never really used Shana much because it was always hard to build SP with her until you get her Dragoon level up. I've always preferred Meru, despite her frailty.

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"Rose Storm!"

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Unknown5uspect posted...

Neither did the people who made the Prima guide, since their team comp was Dart, Lavitz, Kongol lol

Lol yeah I used shitty Kongol as a kid too.

I think the second time I played I used Haschel and Meru

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i switch my team after every boss battle but but my favorite to use are meru and kongol cause blue and yellow are my favorite colors

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This topic has got me wanting to replay LoD.

It's definitely in my top 10 of all time games.
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MC_BatCommander posted...

Lol yeah I used shitty Kongol as a kid too.

I think the second time I played I used Haschel and Meru

Kongol actually can be a beast if you give him the Bandit Ring and Bandit Shoes, but that's a lot of investment when you want Dart to have at least one of those.

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Unknown5uspect posted...

Kongol actually can be a beast if you give him the Bandit Ring and Bandit Shoes, but that's a lot of investment when you want Dart to have at least one of those.

yeah but if you give those things to a better party member they become even better
so you can give them to him and make him good or give them to someone else to make them great

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Unknown5uspect posted...

Kongol actually can be a beast if you give him the Bandit Ring and Bandit Shoes, but that's a lot of investment when you want Dart to have at least one of those.

I used Kongol a lot as I felt sorry for him - literally the last of his kind AND tricked by fake Diaz

Ruvan22 posted...

I used Kongol a lot as I felt sorry for him - literally the last of his kind AND tricked by fake Diaz

I used him a little bit too.

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he has a ton of HP and a lot of defense
unfortunately he is slow as molasses and his magic defense sucks at a point in the game where bosses start spamming magic attacks which will go through his HP like butter

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R.I.P Lavitz.

Was this the end of Disc 1? I'm playing it on the Vita so I won't know when the disc changes were. It feels like a change of disc moment.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

R.I.P Lavitz.

Was this the end of Disc 1? I'm playing it on the Vita so I won't know when the disc changes were. It feels like a change of disc moment.

no, each disk has its own plotline it has to resolve before it ends
disk 1 is all about the serdian war so until you resolve that then the disk doesnt end
you are close to the end of disk 1 though
when you go to a new nation you know you are on the next disk

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spoiler i guess?
when you moved to another continent, you changed the disk.
and what if you go back to disk 1's town? yup, you changed to disk 1 again to enter the town.


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yusiko posted...

he has a ton of HP and a lot of defense
unfortunately he is slow as molasses and his magic defense sucks at a point in the game where bosses start spamming magic attacks which will go through his HP like butter

Also, his additions have the worst damage modifiers, so his Attack Power isn't even all that great. Highest Attack, but worst speed and modifiers. Meru's lategame damage potential is likely higher even without special equipment.


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Musourenka posted...

Also, his additions have the worst damage modifiers, so his Attack Power isn't even all that great. Highest Attack, but worst speed and modifiers. Meru's lategame damage potential is likely higher even without special equipment.

yes her attack potential is higher because her final addition has an insanely high damage modifier
that combined with her having the highest speed also gives her more turns so if say dart does 1000 HP damage with 1 attack while meru only does 700 damage with 1 attack but she gets 3 turns for every 1 turn dart does then she is really doing 2100 damage in the same time it takes for dart to do 1000 damage
and she gets like 7 turns for every 1 turn kongol gets

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yusiko posted...

he has a ton of HP and a lot of defense
unfortunately he is slow as molasses and his magic defense sucks at a point in the game where bosses start spamming magic attacks which will go through his HP like butter

That's what Legend Casques are for.

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I should have time to play some tonight at work.

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Ive been replaying this over the past couple of months on my 3DS (retroarch).

Did you guys know someone found out how to dump the script? Some dude managed to rewrite the first disc but hasnt got around to the others. People have wanted a fan-rewrite for years, which is seriously the biggest problem with the game in my book. The translation is just so stilted and sounds unnatural when reading it. I would absolutely love for someone to redo the entire text, which Im sure would be a massive amount of work.

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Emperor Doel's ambitions have been stopped. Everyone is a fucking Dragoon! Lol

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Emperor Doel's ambitions have been stopped. Everyone is a fucking Dragoon! Lol

thats the end of disk 1
it bothers me that doel is purple when he is in dragoon form but haschel looks pink
overall doel looks cool as a dragoon while haschel does not

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Haschel also looks very fat in Dragoon form. Such disappointing design on that one.

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Unknown5uspect posted...

Haschel also looks very fat in Dragoon form. Such disappointing design on that one.

Yeah, Haschel's Dragoon model definitely looks off. Also his spells kind of suck because nothing is actually weak to Thunder lol.

thunder and void should have been weak and strong against each other
i mean the game has 8 elements but 2 of them arent strong or weak against anything

also the special transformation where all 3 characters change at once and the battlefield changes color based on who used the special command actually does something the game doesnt tell you
it raises the damage done by characters/enemies of that element but weakens the damage dealt by characters of the opposite element
so if you use special with shana then shana gets a power boost but rose becomes weaker until the special wears off

since dart has to be in the party then if you use meru you will always weaken one of them if you use their special group transformation


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the game should have let you take dart out of your party and walk around as the other characters
literally on disk 2 during the boat ride you get to walk around the ship once as every character showing that they animated all the motions for the characters to all be able to interact with the world
but they dont let them

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yusiko posted...

the game should have let you take dart out of your party and walk around as the other characters
literally on disk 2 during the boat ride you get to walk around the ship once as every character showing that they animated all the motions for the characters to all be able to interact with the world
but they dont let them

This was an old school JRPG. They were really hung-up on not letting you swap out the main character.

I remember being amazed that you could swap out Tidus in FFX (albeit hes always the on-screen character).

I guess its because in old JRPGs only the characters in your immediate party was were with you and the rest of the party were all hanging out in town. With exceptions like FF6 and Chrono Trigger.

You couldnt make story cutscenes work without the main character.

It wasnt until the 2000s with games like FFX where the entire cast is almost always together as a whole.

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SolKarellen posted...

This was an old school JRPG. They were really hung-up on not letting you swap out the main character.

I remember being amazed that you could swap out Tidus in FFX (albeit hes always the on-screen character).

I guess its because in old JRPGs only the characters in your immediate party was were with you and the rest of the party were all hanging out in town. With exceptions like FF6 and Chrono Trigger.

You couldnt make story cutscenes work without the main character.

It wasnt until the 2000s with games like FFX where the entire cast is almost always together as a whole.

legend of the dragoon didnt alter cutscenes based on your party set up
everyone was present for the cutscene moments so it was an early game where taking dart out could have worked just fine

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pegusus123456 posted...

I've said this before, but I accidentally did hard mode in this game as a kid because I beat the entire game with Rose and Kongol. Just because they looked the coolest.

I always used rose and Kongol and the game is easy. Equip Kongol with a Legendary Casque and he pretty much can't be killed.

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SolKarellen posted...

This was an old school JRPG. They were really hung-up on not letting you swap out the main character.

I remember being amazed that you could swap out Tidus in FFX (albeit hes always the on-screen character).

I guess its because in old JRPGs only the characters in your immediate party was were with you and the rest of the party were all hanging out in town. With exceptions like FF6 and Chrono Trigger.

You couldnt make story cutscenes work without the main character.

It wasnt until the 2000s with games like FFX where the entire cast is almost always together as a whole.

I'm pretty sure in Star Ocean 1 you can swap out the MC.

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Fade2black001 posted...

I always used rose and Kongol and the game is easy. Equip Kongol with a Legendary Casque and he pretty much can't be killed.

waste of resources
anything you give to kongol to make him good could be given to someone else to make them great
also money grinding takes awhile and legend casques cost like 10000 gold which takes awhile to grind for and those 10000 equips are intended to be game breaking and not really a must have. they are for people who struggle in the game and want it to be easier

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Unknown5uspect posted...

Haschel also looks very fat in Dragoon form. Such disappointing design on that one.

I don't think he looks fat, but more looks like wearing an oversized dragoon armor because it was Doel's size.

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Unknown5uspect posted...

Neither did the people who made the Prima guide, since their team comp was Dart, Lavitz, Kongol lol

What exactly is the best team? I usually used Dart, Rose, and whoever else, but I actually only finished this game one time (I was plagued by disc read errors until they released it digitally).

I might replay this game when I finish what Im playing right now.

dart shana and meru is the best team
meru and shana are the 2 strongest party members and dart has to be there

in terms of whose best it probably goes

1. meru
2. shana
3. haschel
4. albert
5. dart
6. rose
7. kongol

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haschel is almost as fast as meru and shana so he gets multiple turns as well and albert/lavits has the great support skill flower storm. his big weakness is his magic defense but at least he is faster than kongol

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Shana is tedious as hell and pretty much dead weight in normal encounters. Meru isnt much better before her final addition. Bosses are a different story, of course.

Rose and Daschel have a great mix of speed and power, whereas Albert is beefy and hits hard, and Rose Storm is baller utility on a character with otherwise crap magic. Kongol is hilariously terrible, because they just randomly decided he should have worse additions(normal AND dragoon!) than everyone else, meaning he cant even take proper advantage of his insanely high attack, making his combo of garbage speed and magic defense even worse.

But you can mostly use whoever you want, because the games just not that hard. If they ever remaster/remake it, hopefully theyll fix Kongol though.

you get an attack item that does not disappear after use but can only be used once per battle
when thrown by shana this instant kills any random encounter in the game and even takes a decent chunk of health off bosses

but yes shana and meru both struggle in random encounters in the early portions of the game but both magic is so high that no matter the point of the game both will be able to deal tons of damage to bosses with magic items

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My main go to team back in the day was Dart, Albert, and Meru.

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yusiko posted...

you get an attack item that does not disappear after use but can only be used once per battle
when thrown by shana this instant kills any random encounter in the game and even takes a decent chunk of health off bosses

but yes shana and meru both struggle in random encounters in the early portions of the game but both magic is so high that no matter the point of the game both will be able to deal tons of damage to bosses with magic items

Wasn't that reusable item key in getting sachets?

I have no memory of this whole Princess Emille bitch story line. Such a weird way to move from Emperor Doel.

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Fade2black001 posted...

I always used rose and Kongol and the game is easy. Equip Kongol with a Legendary Casque and he pretty much can't be killed.

I was also really, really bad at doing the more powerful additions, so I went through the whole game with just the first ones each character gets.

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pegusus123456 posted...

I was also really, really bad at doing the more powerful additions, so I went through the whole game with just the first ones each character gets.

I could do the most powerful ones like Gust of Wind Dance. It just took time for me time to get it down right.

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yusiko posted...

waste of resources
anything you give to kongol to make him good could be given to someone else to make them great
also money grinding takes awhile and legend casques cost like 10000 gold which takes awhile to grind for and those 10000 equips are intended to be game breaking and not really a must have. they are for people who struggle in the game and want it to be easier

You don't have to grind anything. You should have that kind of money just normally playing the game by the time you reach the town that sells the items. Plus the Casque made Kongol great. With his already high P. Def and now the Casque made with really high M.Def he was unstoppable. The game is easy enough so you can through it with whomever you want to

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Lol, totally forgot that your Dragoon Spirit got jacked in the desert.

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I personally wouldn't put Meru and Shana in the same party. Meru tosses items almost as well as Shana and both struggle (at least until Disc 4) to do damage outside of Magic and items.

Again, I prefer Meru since she has additions (gets SP a lot easier) and I like her magic layout better. She's extremely frail though, so she kind of needs the Dragon Helm.

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I love all the talk of min/max because it seems there is no consensus. Most JRPG's have basically been broken down to its core elements and you know exactly what to do in order to run it most effectively. Legend of Dragoon?

"MERU AND SHANA THROW ITEM BLITZ!"
"MERU AND HASHEL SPEED ADVANTAGE!"
"KONGOL CAN BE MADE TO BE INVINCIBLE! WHO CARES ABOUT HOW LONG THE BATTLE TAKES IF HE CANNOT BE KILLED?!?"
"LAVITZ CAN CUT DAMAGE TAKEN BY 50% FOR 3 TURNS! WHO NEEDS TO WORRY ABOUT DAMAGE WITH THAT?"
"Rose exists"

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I love the idea of Dartz getting the divine dragoon at the end but holy shit that form is ugly af lol

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Yeah, it's worth acknowledging that additions are a major barrier to using Albert and Haschel effectively. The former especially has some pretty crazy timings. I mean, I suppose you could Ultimate War God it up, but still. Meru has one or two that are tough too, but nothing that bad. Rose though? Rose has easy additions.
I guess one of Shana's upsides is that, because she doesn't have additions, you can just kind of swap her in at any time without worrying that she'll suck because you haven't been working on her additions.

Also, I got to thinking about Kongol, and I think the easiest thing to do would give him the same damage modifiers as Meru(and give him the normal Dragoon addition cap, why did they even do that to him!?). He rarely gets to act, let him have that crazy 600% damage modifier on his final addition to really cook with his sky-high attack(plus, he's GIANT, c'mon!). I was thinking about spells, and it makes sense to give him one that works independently of his atrocious magic(he arbitrarily only gets three spells), and you know what makes the most sense for Earth?
Damage reduction, lol.
Maybe let him reduce enemy defense for a few turns and have it work on bosses! so Kongol just becomes "big numbers" the character, and let him and Rose be "easy addition" characters.

Shana can beat the divine dragon in 3 turns by herself
of course by that point shana is actually replaced by miranda but they have identical stats so gameplay wise there is no difference between shana and miranda

can we all agree that as a character miranda is awful?

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yusiko posted...

waste of resources
anything you give to kongol to make him good could be given to someone else to make them great
also money grinding takes awhile and legend casques cost like 10000 gold which takes awhile to grind for and those 10000 equips are intended to be game breaking and not really a must have. they are for people who struggle in the game and want it to be easier

If you're gonna fight Faust you'll basically want your whole team to have Legend Casques so it isn't really a waste, imo.

But yeah at the end of the day it doesn't really matter. Game's easy. You have to try pretty hard to make it a challenge.

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