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KamenRiderBlade
05/03/21 3:05:31 PM
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CyricZ posted...
You don't get to decide this battle's not worth fighting.
You're part of the citizenry, you get to throw your vote in, same as I.

I can offer a solution, just like you can.

But your solution intends to cause trouble for a large group of women.

I offer a better solution, one where we can all participate in the same facilities.

Where everybody gets to participate in sports on a "Fair" playing field.

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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
05/03/21 3:05:42 PM
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Also Caitlyn Jenner:



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KamenRiderBlade
05/03/21 3:07:14 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Demonstrate that.
Plenty of previous posts already have done that.

No need to regurgitate things.

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Cowthief
05/03/21 3:07:17 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
Pro trans people? 2-3. Transphobes? 1 warning I'm aware of and not even for a post in this topic.

I wish I could say I was surprised.

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gunplagirl
05/03/21 3:08:12 PM
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AteIierRyza3462 posted...
Im surprised shes still with that party then after the Trump era.
She's rich and white, both of which benefit from the goals of the Republican party. It's hardly surprising. For the record, she's also not actually citing any science or personal experience for why trans kids shouldn't compete. She competed in a women's golf tournament in 2016. Wanna guess who didn't win? Yeah. She's just hopping on board the "shitting on trans people" bus because it's an easy way for her to get votes, as well as makes her that much easier to prop up as their token mouthpiece. She's been a transphobe for years and we've said it for ages. Like, when she came out we knew she was fucking garbage. She's basically Uncle Ruckus from the Boondocks, minus the physical abuse and emotional trauma.

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KamenRiderBlade
05/03/21 3:08:42 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Ok so youre just lying again. I remember when that actually got modded for trolling.
Did you even bother to read the entire thread and follow all the links?

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CyricZ
05/03/21 3:10:20 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
But your solution intends to cause trouble for a large group of women.
Your solution will eliminate women's sports. About how many people do you think you'll cause trouble for with that one? Because I have a rough estimate. It's north of 3.7 billion.

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CyricZ
05/03/21 3:11:07 PM
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gunplagirl posted...
minus the physical abuse and emotional trauma.
Hey now let's not rule that out.

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KamenRiderBlade
05/03/21 3:13:30 PM
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CyricZ posted...
Your solution will eliminate women's sports. About how many people do you think you'll cause trouble for with that one? Because I have a rough estimate. It's north of 3.7 billion.
That's why I offered two solutions.

Either integrate them all into one Sport with no gender boundaries.

or

Have all Trans-(Women/Men) and those with Cybernetic Enhancements/Prosthetics come over to the Men's side of things.

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CyricZ
05/03/21 3:21:06 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
Have all Trans-(Women/Men) and those with Cybernetic Enhancements/Prosthetics come over to the Men's side of things.
Huh? What about a prosthetic would give someone an unfair advantage?

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BlackJackCat
05/03/21 3:24:25 PM
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CyricZ posted...
Huh? What about a prosthetic would give someone an unfair advantage?

Didn't you know? We're living in the world of Deus Ex: Human Revolution already.

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KamenRiderBlade
05/03/21 3:25:02 PM
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CyricZ posted...
Huh? What about a prosthetic would give someone an unfair advantage?
(Man + Tech > Man alone) with enough eventual time to refine said prosthetic tech.

Space Tech Prosthetic Leg Helps To Reach Long-jump World Record
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081003123250.htm

Sprinter with artificial legs could surpass their able-bodied counterparts by 2068: study
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/03/15/national/science-health/sprinter-artificial-legs-surpass-able-bodied-counterparts-2068-study/

Blake Leeper Wants To Be The Worlds Fastest Carbon Fiber Blade Runner
https://www.cpr.org/2018/09/10/blake-leeper-wants-to-be-the-worlds-fastest-carbon-fiber-blade-runner/

On Prosthetic Legs, Man Challenges Marathons 3-Hour Barrier
https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a23597848/man-tries-to-break-3-hours-on-two-prosthetic-legs/

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Pus_N_Pecans
05/03/21 3:28:02 PM
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Because people cut off their own limbs in the hopes that they might someday excel at sports 50 years into a hypothetical future, the same way trans women choose to transition in order to do the same.

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KamenRiderBlade
05/03/21 3:30:27 PM
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Pus_N_Pecans posted...
Because people cut off their own limbs in the hopes that they might someday excel at sports 50 years into a hypothetical future, the same way trans women choose to transition in order to do the same.
They lost their limbs due to some incident or didn't have limbs in the first place; and are using tech to play catch up and eventually surpassing regular humans.

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COVxy
05/03/21 3:34:56 PM
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I think this is just such a low stakes issue that people blow up so that they can be transphobic "with reason".

Anyway, I don't give a fuck about what sportsball game you think it effects, transpeople are people. Really fucking tired of the fake controversy being used as a way to pretend to be "rationally transphobic".

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Robot2600
05/03/21 3:35:35 PM
#370:


WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
Also Caitlyn Jenner:


what the fucking fuck is her problem?

O she's a lunatic republican.
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Pus_N_Pecans
05/03/21 3:36:27 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
They lost their limbs due to some incident or didn't have limbs in the first place; and are using tech to play catch up and eventually surpassing regular humans.
So...women who have prosthetic legs should now be considered men if they want to compete at sports? Not only should they have to overcome a disability, but they need to directly compete against men in addition?

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AteIierRyza3462
05/03/21 3:36:30 PM
#372:


WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
Also Caitlyn Jenner:


haha that cant be reall

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Robot2600
05/03/21 3:39:37 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
But in the real world instead of the hypothetical world youre making up based on a comedy routine, the NCAA and Olympics allow trans women to compete as women and we havent seen either the Olympics or college sports overtaken by trans athletes.

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KamenRiderBlade
05/03/21 3:40:02 PM
#374:


Pus_N_Pecans posted...
So...women who have prosthetic legs should now be considered men if they want to compete at sports? Not only should they have to overcome a disability, but also, they need to directly compete again men as well?
Depends on the prosthesis and how much of a advantage it gives to the women.

There are regulations for that based on the tech.

Even current prosthesis for athletes are highly regulated as to make sure that they don't have a "Un-fair" advantage over regular humans.

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Payzmaykr
05/03/21 3:40:34 PM
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CyricZ
05/03/21 3:40:49 PM
#376:


Pus_N_Pecans posted...
So...women who have prosthetic legs should now be considered men if they want to compete at sports? Not only should they have to overcome a disability, but they need to directly compete against men in addition?
Say what you will, KRB is certainly consistent in his discrimination.

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KamenRiderBlade
05/03/21 3:42:58 PM
#377:


CyricZ posted...
Say what you will, KRB is certainly consistent in his discrimination.
Say what you will, CyricZ, really hates women and wants to screw them over with his misogynistic solutions.

You don't care for the sanctity of Women's Sports and a "Fair" playing field.

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Pus_N_Pecans
05/03/21 3:44:29 PM
#378:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
There are regulations for that based on the tech.

Even current prosthesis for athletes are highly regulated as to make sure that they don't have a "Un-fair" advantage over regular humans.
So, a complete non-issue in the first place. Why even bring it up then?

I'll do my best to ignore the fact that you labeled a disabled person as subhuman.

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CyricZ
05/03/21 3:44:36 PM
#379:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
You don't care for the sanctity of Women's Sports
You care less. You want to eliminate them.

"Fair" playing field.
Define fair.

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KamenRiderBlade
05/03/21 3:48:32 PM
#380:


CyricZ posted...
You care less. You want to eliminate them.
I offered two solutions:

1) is unificaiton of all sports to be genderless

or

2) Bring Trans-(Women/Men) & Cybernetically/Prosthetically enhanced into Men's Sports leagues.

Again, you're lying by ignoring the fact that I offered Multiple Solutions.

CyricZ posted...
Define fair.
A level playing field for all participants in their category of sports.

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CyricZ
05/03/21 3:50:00 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
A level playing field for all participants in their category of sports.
Define "level playing field".

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KamenRiderBlade
05/03/21 3:51:51 PM
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CyricZ posted...
Define "level".
Those with similar Biological Characteristics and capabilities get grouped together in a division to measure upon.

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Veggeta X
05/03/21 3:57:14 PM
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Mods please lock this topic

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KamenRiderBlade
05/03/21 4:01:49 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Biological characteristics like prosthetic limbs huh?
Prosthehetic limbs make up for limbs that are lost for one reason or another.

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CyricZ
05/03/21 4:02:09 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
Those with similar Biological Characteristics and capabilities get grouped together in a division to measure upon.
How similar do they have to be? Are people too tall eliminated?

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KamenRiderBlade
05/03/21 4:03:06 PM
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CyricZ posted...
How similar do they have to be? Are people too tall eliminated?
Go look at the sports athletics commission rules for pre-collegiate sports.

They have entire rules & regulations for that.

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Stewman_Magoo
05/03/21 4:03:23 PM
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She's participated in golf tournaments in the women's leagues. Fuck this hypocritical bitch.

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KamenRiderBlade
05/03/21 4:07:30 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
You do realize they arent biological, right?
Yes, but they need to make up for biological parts that they lost or didn't have.

So your definition doesnt make sense when compared to your proposal?
It accomplishes as fair of a goal as possible by evening out the playing field as much as possible.

And its obvious to everyone that youre talking out of your ass and making shit up as you go along?
I've thought of these solutions a very long time ago, theres no need to think on the fly.

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UnfairRepresent
05/03/21 4:09:27 PM
#391:


WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
Also Caitlyn Jenner:

That's not a school sporting event


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KamenRiderBlade
05/03/21 4:10:28 PM
#392:


UnfairRepresent posted...
That's not a school sporting event
The Pro-AM Gold ANA inspiration tournament is a PGA level tournament.

You got to be PGA level to qualify and participate in it. Ergo, the most elite of the elite Golfers are allowed.

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UnfairRepresent
05/03/21 4:16:28 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
The Pro-AM Gold ANA inspiration tournament is a PGA level tournament.

You got to be PGA level to qualify and participate in it. Ergo, the most elite of the elite Golfers are allowed.
Ok?

The policy she was backing was not allowing trans kids into the female sporting events in schools

So how is an attack on her?

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CyricZ
05/03/21 4:18:08 PM
#394:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
Go look at the sports athletics commission rules for pre-collegiate sports.

They have entire rules & regulations for that.
Wow no shit. Maybe we should just follow those instead of having the government make up rules.

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CyricZ
05/03/21 4:19:19 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
I've thought of these solutions a very long time ago, theres no need to think on the fly.
Five or six years old?

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KamenRiderBlade
05/03/21 4:33:31 PM
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CyricZ posted...
Wow no shit. Maybe we should just follow those instead of having the government make up rules.
If the rules were doing what they should've, there wouldn't be complaints or issues now, would there?

CyricZ posted...
Five or six years old?
Does it really matter how long ago I came up with the solution?

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If those rules were working for everybody, there wouldn't be complaints.

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KamenRiderBlade
05/03/21 4:44:37 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Oh yeah, thats why politicians are the ones spearheading this issue rather than schoolchildren

Youre not even good at lying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=navQkMFvmDc

Selina Soule is the one is spear heading this issue.

She along with 2 other High School athletes are the ones who are pushing it.

https://adflegal.org/case/soule-v-connecticut-association-schools

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CyricZ
05/03/21 4:45:15 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
If the rules were doing what they should've, there wouldn't be complaints or issues now, would there?
People complaining does not necessarily mean a problem with the rules.

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gunplagirl
05/03/21 4:45:35 PM
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
If the rules were doing what they should've, there wouldn't be complaints or issues now, would there?

Does it really matter how long ago I came up with the solution?

If those rules were working for everybody, there wouldn't be complaints.
There's people still complaining that black people are considered people. That's a fucking garbage line of logic you're using, seeing as it's only bigots who are upset at allowing transgender people to compete. For that matter, transgender people have been allowed to compete for years even in the Olympics and they haven't "taken over" or anything.

Nobody complained until about two years after the first cases challenging the scope of marriage equality showed that for the most part it isn't going to be possible to reverse the decision any time soon.

And again, just because bigots complain doesn't mean their complaints are valid. Plenty of people thought Obama was the antichrist because he was black and a democrat, and they said he was a secret muslim. Not actually complaints based on reality.

For that matter, there's people who are complaining that kids have to learn math in school, but the reasons for teaching it are countless given how important it is even outside of simple concepts like charting one's personal spending in a given year.

And your "sacrifice the minority to please the majority" when it's not even the majority that wants this stuff? Well, that logic is what people in the past have used to justify genocides and other crimes against humanity. Not that I'm comparing that with banning transgender people. Just, that what you perceive to be the majority CAN be wrong on even the most basic and fundamental levels.

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KamenRiderBlade
05/03/21 4:46:23 PM
#402:


CyricZ posted...
People complaining does not necessarily mean a problem with the rules.
The records being shattered by Trans-Women leaving regular Women unable to attain them says otherwise.

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