Current Events > Caitlyn Jenner Backs Bans on Trans Girls Competing in Female Sports

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

If you're a women who wants to only compete in Women's sports, that's fine.

But if you're a true athlete, you wouldn't even want Gender Divisions to exist.

This little passion play of yours is basically you saying you don't actually care about women's sports.

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CyricZ posted...

This little passion play of yours is basically you saying you don't actually care about women's sports.

I care about sports in general.

Women want to seperate themselves and have their little women's sports leagues.

Go for it; they want to exclude us men, so be it.

If they want to exclude everybody else that isn't Cis-Gendered, that's on them.

We have more than enough Love and Room for Trans(Women/Men) to come over to our side.

The Men's side of Athletics, where the pantheon of the greatest athletic accomplishments exist.

Come over to our side so you can challenge the best of the best.

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Women want to seperate themselves and have their little women's sports leagues

Ugh, do you even listen to yourself.

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CyricZ posted...

Ugh, do you even listen to yourself.

Do you even care about sports in itself?

Or is this all about Identity Politics for you?

Which is it?

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

I care about sports in general.

Women want to seperate themselves and have their little women's sports leagues.

Go for it; they want to exclude us men, so be it.

If they want to exclude everybody else that isn't Cis-Gendered, that's on them.

We have more than enough Love and Room for Trans(Women/Men) to come over to our side.

The Men's side of Athletics, where the pantheon of the greatest athletic accomplishments exist.

Come over to our side so you can challenge the best of the best.

What a weirdly misogynic post

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Do you even care about sports in itself?

Or is this all about Identity Politics for you?

Which is it?

I care when people are discriminated from doing what they love and from being who they are.

If caring about discrimination is, to you, nothing more than "politics", then I conclude that we are opposed on a value level.

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FlameTurtle posted...

What a weirdly misogynic post

Then what's your solution that will make all female athletes happy and allow them to have "Fair Competition"?

We can always go to a Genderless Sports Society and give everybody access to every sport and let the best of the best move on.

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CyricZ posted...

I care when people are discriminated from doing what they love and from being who they are.

If caring about discrimination is, to you, nothing more than "politics", then I conclude that we are opposed on a value level.

Are we? I think we're more similar than we are dis-similar.

I'm more than happy to solve the Bathroom Bill options by getting rid of Gendered Bathrooms in general, same with Gendered Changing stalls.

That solves all the Bathroom bills that you seem to have brought up about Trans-People being Discriminated against from using Bathrooms that they want.

Same with Changing Rooms, get rid of Gendered Changing Rooms, make everything Uni-Sex and have Private Rooms/Stalls, then the problem is solved.

We can unify the Gendered Sports Leagues in general, get rid of the Gender Boundary, then everybody can participate in "Sports in General", and let the best of the best represent each school / institution.

But I think Women will complain about not having enough opportunities, ergo they'll want their own Gendered Sports Leagues.

At that point, they want no competition from Men, or anybody else that isn't a Cis-Gendered Women.

So what's your solution?

I offer a solution, where Trans-(Men/Women) can participate in Men's sports with open arms.

What's your practical solution without pissing off Female athletes around the US or the World?

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Are we? I think we're more similar than we are dis-similar.

I'm more than happy to solve the Bathroom Bill options by getting rid of Gendered Bathrooms in general, same with Gendered Changing stalls.

That solves all the Bathroom bills that you seem to have brought up about Trans-People being Discriminated against from using Bathrooms that they want.

Same with Changing Rooms, get rid of Gendered Changing Rooms, make everything Uni-Sex and have Private Rooms/Stalls, then the problem is solved.

We can unify the Gendered Sports Leagues in general, get rid of the Gender Boundary, then everybody can participate in "Sports in General", and let the best of the best represent each school / institution.

But I think Women will complain about not having enough opportunities, ergo they'll want their own Gendered Sports Leagues.

At that point, they want no competition from Men, or anybody else that isn't a Cis-Gendered Women.

So what's your solution?

I offer a solution, where Trans-(Men/Women) can participate in Men's sports with open arms.

What's your practical solution without pissing off Female athletes around the US or the World?

This is the same type of bullshit used years ago with marriage. "Let's just call everything civil unions!"

But it's clear from your posts that there's a lot of misogyny within your views here.

KamenRiderBlade posted...

I'm more than happy to solve the Bathroom Bill

A) No one asked you, B) It's been solved, and C) because it was never an actual problem apart from what to do with all the scared-out-of-their-wits-of-an-"other" bigots we seem to have no shortage of in this country.

And I'd rather not capitulate to bigotry, thank you.

KamenRiderBlade posted...

So what's your solution?

Allow trans women to play sports unrestricted at the school level and allow the sports institutions at the professional level implement science and data based restrictions as they see need.

Which, happy day, is a place we're already at.

And in an ideal world trans people will be allowed to begin the process of transition at a point where if they do decide to participate in sports that any perceived physical advantages become a statistical irrelevancy on the level of a longer reach or a wider build.

Something else that Republicans in particular are looking to curtail.

As you said about your "solution", we're never going to make everyone 100% happy (especially not the bigots). We can maintain womens' sports with trans women involved as we've been doing for the past few decades (with no one apparently noticing until 2019) and not decide that suddenly now it's a problem because the trans women had the audacity to actually win at their sports.

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pistachio12 posted...

This is the same type of bullshit used years ago with marriage. "Let's just call everything civil unions!"

But it's clear from your posts that there's a lot of misogyny within your views here.

Hardly, women are allowed to have their Sports Leagues by law thanks to Title 9.

So now we need a solution that works with Title 9.

By definition, Women's Sports Leagues bars Men from participating in them due to Biological Gender.

So what's your solution when Trans(Women/Men) wants to participate?

I have a solution, Men's Sports League is open to them.

What's your solution?

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CyricZ posted...

A) No one asked you

I volunteered

B) It's been solved, and

Has it really? All those new legislative bills says otherwise.

C) because it was never an actual problem apart from what to do with all the scared-out-of-their-wits-of-an-"other" bigots we seem to have no shortage of in this country.

Then, let's solve the problem, once and for all. Then we can move on.

And I'd rather not capitulate to bigotry, thank you.

It's not capitulating, it's redefining the new normal.

Get everybody used to using the bathroom and changing room next to people of all genders.

How is that a bad thing?

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CyricZ posted...

Allow trans women to play sports unrestricted at the school level and allow the sports institutions at the professional level implement science and data based restrictions as they see need.

So you just pissed off a giant chunk of women, great solution CyricZ!

Which, happy day, is a place we're already at.

We're at an inflection point, where the status quo is being challenged in court.

And in an ideal world trans people will be allowed to begin the process of transition at a point where if they do decide to participate in sports that any perceived physical advantages become a statistical irrelevancy on the level of a longer reach or a wider build.

In an ideal world, trans people would be able to hire a company to grow a body in a large test tube of the gender they want and use technology to do a mind transfer into their new ideal body and abandon their existing body. Negating the need to transition via current methods. Current methods would be considered obsolete, archaic, and primitive. Then there would be no biological differences. But we're too early in technology, so we only have the primitive technology that we have.

Something else that Republicans in particular are looking to curtail.

Then we come up with a solution that can work for the largest amount of people while pissing off the least amount of people while satisfying as many requirements as possible.

As you said about your "solution", we're never going to make everyone 100% happy (especially not the bigots). We can maintain womens' sports with trans women involved as we've been doing for the past few decades (with no one apparently noticing until 2019) and not decide that suddenly now it's a problem because the trans women had the audacity to actually win at their sports.

But what you're doing is pissing off a large group of female atheletes and making ALOT of enemies for your cause.

Is that really what you want to do?

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CyricZ posted...

Did you quote the wrong post?

I refer you to Title IX of the Education Amendments. I believe government has a role in discouraging discrimination within federally-funded educational institutions.

Private organizations do not need to be bound by those. For those we can use our voice.

That was a really long and drawn out way to say yes

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FlameTurtle posted...

"I'm trying to be positive, but man, that shock guy sure sucks, doesn't he?"

I was doing something positive. Not acting it.

It's kinda impressive how bad your reading comprehension is.

CyricZ posted...

You don't know he didn't. You don't know anything about what he does with his charity, nor any of the rest of us here.

You try to frame it as a peace offering, but your attitude towards this shows it as a pissing contest.

Shock said he'd post receipts. I was kinda excited. It's undoubtedly a dick move to say you'll donate somewhere and not do it.

And I did no such thing. I said multiple times, we may be negative but we can do a good thing despite that.

Oh, it's just cyric being delusional. What a shock!
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Good.

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Has this topic gotten anywhere yet

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Obviously not. Its CE.

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Smackems posted...

Has this topic gotten anywhere yet

No lol

jon1012 posted...

Its CE.

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Has it really? All those new legislative bills says otherwise.

Like I said, capitulating to bigots. That's your call if you think it's worth it.

KamenRiderBlade posted...

Then, let's solve the problem, once and for all. Then we can move on.

How do you plan on solving bigotry?

KamenRiderBlade posted...

So you just pissed off a giant chunk of women, great solution CyricZ!

Exactly how giant? How many women are pissed off by this?

They're free to dispute me in this topic without having a misogynist do it for them.

KamenRiderBlade posted...

Then we come up with a solution that can work for the largest amount of people

A) We did, and B) without Republicans.

Why are you so ready to capitulate to bigots at the slightest turn.

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Teh_Dr_Phil posted...

Ehh that's s dumb fallacy

Taking about dealing with the issue of transgenders in womens sports has no effect whatsoever on the gun debate.

Imagine your mechanic overcharged you $250 and then when you complain they go "Millions of women are raped every day and you're complaining about bring overcharged!?!?!?!?"

It's just a nonsense point. You can talk about/resolve more than 1 thing

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who?

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shockthemonkey posted...

I love that weve reached a point where instead of arguing that trans women will dominate womens sports (which is provably false, since they dont), the goalposts have shifted to WELL LETS GET RID OF WOMENS SPORTS. Instead of lets protect womens bathrooms, its FUCK IT GET RID OF GENDERED BATHROOMS.

Yeah buds, tell us again how this is about your genuine concerns for women.

Co-existence is a far better solution then pissing off any one group of people.

Is Gendered Restrooms/Bathrooms & Changing Rooms a necessary construct for society?

I say no, it's a waste of resources, anybody with a creative mind can see that. Especially when many times there is a line in the women's room while men usually don't have anywhere near that kind of line.

Having all of us co-exist together and use the same resources will force people to co-mingle and have to be polite with each other.

Can you come up with a solution that doesn't piss off any one group of people? Or how about pissing off the least amount of people?

I'm trying to make as many people as possible happy while offering the same opportunities to everybody.

What's your solution?

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There's a disturbingly large amount of men complaining about the lines for women's bathrooms.

Uhh, why the fuck are you paying attention? How do you know if it's isolated inside to the bathroom itself, for that matter? And how dare you try and weaponize that against transgender women who actually are at risk of being assaulted inside. Sounds like the problem of lines is that there's an insufficient amount of space and toilets available, which would be the fault of whoever runs the building. But nah, instead you've gotta find a way to pivot it and blame the transgenders.

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How the fuck is this a political issue. Theres a clear fucking advantage to being born in a male body

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Co-existence is a far better solution then pissing off any one group of people.

If we capitulated to this bullshit of "don't piss off people who are currently denying your rights" I wouldn't be married now. Just cohabitating, without insurance, unable to afford (according to the bank) the home we're building.

gunplagirl posted...

There's a disturbingly large amount of men complaining about the lines for women's bathrooms.

Uhh, why the f*** are you paying attention?

Kinda hard to miss when your at concerts and at a packed bar. Seen more ladies end just asking if they could cut in the line for the guys and use the mens bathroom instead.

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CyricZ posted...

Like I said, capitulating to bigots. That's your call if you think it's worth it.

It's not capitulating if they have to co-exist with us and use the same resources as us.

I'm redefining the new normal for Restroom and Changing Room facilities.

How do you plan on solving bigotry?

By forcing them to exposure with all of us, and forcing them to co-mingle with all of us. Then through long term exposure, they'll realize we're all the same by being used to all using the same Facilities.

Exactly how giant? How many women are pissed off by this?

Enough to affect legislation in countless states.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/education/os-ne-transgender-sports-bill-debate-20210414-tjs3dhnrxjg2tj3hf2j4c53y44-story.html

They're free to dispute me in this topic without having a misogynist do it for them.

So what's your solution for All women to always have a "Fair" Sports Playing Field without having to worry about any Trans-Women breaking records that regular Cis-Gendered Women couldn't biologically do thanks to the male anatomy that Trans-Women were born with?

Records were already broken in various High School Athletics, opportunities for Collegiate scholarships were already lost.

A) We did, and B) without Republicans.

You've accomplished very little from what I can tell, and the Republicans are gaining ground on you.

Why are you so ready to capitulate to bigots at the slightest turn.

It's not capitulating, it's called finding a solution where everybody can co-exist and live their lives.

I offer a perfectly valid place for all Trans-(Women/Men) to participate in athletically, which just happens to be Male Sports Leagues.

Your solution creates friction with all of Female Sports and currently proven to deny Women their "Fair Opportunities" by having them compete on a "UnEven" Sports Field.

So what's your solution? So far you intend to screw over all Female Athletes.

That makes you the misogynist, because you sacrificed an entire group of Women for your solution.

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shockthemonkey posted...

You: lets create a fuckton of problems just so that trans women arent included with cis women, what other solution is there?!

Yet my solution includes Trans-women,

Brah just let trans women exist in womens spaces because theyre women, no need to needlessly complicate literally everything

Or we can create Uni-Sex facilities and be done with it.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Because regulating what people are allowed to do based on who they are is inherently political

And if its such a huge advantage then how come trans women dont dominate college and Olympic sports?

because they fucking suck compared to the elite of the elite l.

same reason why cheaters in online video games still get dominated by pros

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gunplagirl posted...

There's a disturbingly large amount of men complaining about the lines for women's bathrooms.

Uhh, why the fuck are you paying attention?

It's called basic observational skills, it doesn't take much to notice what's going on.

How do you know if it's isolated inside to the bathroom itself, for that matter? And how dare you try and weaponize that against transgender women who actually are at risk of being assaulted inside.

My solution would protect everybody, including transgender women.

Proper individual stalls for UniSex Toilets & Urinals that are fully sealed from ground to floor and toughened will make it harder for anybody to assault another person.

Sounds like the problem of lines is that there's an insufficient amount of space and toilets available, which would be the fault of whoever runs the building. But nah, instead you've gotta find a way to pivot it and blame the transgenders.

That's caused by having only a limited amount of space for Men/Women's restrooms.
If you combine the two area's, you can efficiently use both spaces for everybody.

It has nothing to do with Transgenders.

Remember, the world doesn't always revolve around your Transgender issue.

Usage problems for Women's restroom existed LONG before your issues were even a blip on the public conciousness.

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CyricZ posted...

Yes, by simplest definition.

And it's a societally accepted discrimination because of the aforementioned historical discrimination.

This country has a lot of historical discrimination to account for.

Lol men should be able to participate in women leagues. Ok your just trolling.

shockthemonkey posted...

Its amazing how you think youre making any sense

It's amazing how you lack creativity and problem solving skills to work for everybody and create unnecessary friction and trouble in society.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Oh so its not actually an issue

But it actually is at the Pre-Collegiate levels.

That's why there are laws being created right now.

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TheOtherMike posted...

If we capitulated to this bullshit of "don't piss off people who are currently denying your rights" I wouldn't be married now. Just cohabitating, without insurance, unable to afford (according to the bank) the home we're building.

I had something but I like this.

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CyricZ posted...

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1388132937707802629

"It's a serious problem tho, that's why they're making these laws!"

Transphobes are so dumb, lol

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How much flak is she getting for this?

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Wasssup Now posted...

Lol men should be able to participate in women leagues. Ok your just trolling.

Oh honey it's not my fault you can't understand the words I'm typing. That's not remotely what I'm saying; read it again.

KamenRiderBlade posted...

It's amazing how you lack creativity and problem solving skills to work for everybody and create unnecessary friction and trouble in society.

Your "creativity" is akin to the idea of eliminating racism by just saying everyone's white now.

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CyricZ posted...

I had something but I like this.

TheOtherMike posted...

If we capitulated to this bullshit of "don't piss off people who are currently denying your rights" I wouldn't be married now. Just cohabitating, without insurance, unable to afford (according to the bank) the home we're building.

You should marry whomever you want, that's your personal issue. If it pisses somebody off, then so be it.
Buy whatever house you want, it's your personal right to do so.

Some battles are worth fighting for, some are not, some you can overcome with creativity and new solutions.

Choose your battles wisely.

Is the Bathroom Bills & Changing Room Bills worth fighting over with your solution, or my solution?

My solution creates more jobs, offers co-existence, better privacy & security for ALL, better usage of existing Restroom facility space, a new paradigm shift towards one more Genderless construct by ripping apart Gendered Bathrooms/Restrooms/Changing rooms.

Yours created unnecessary friction for this fight. I offer a solution for all towards a path of co-existence and co-habitation.

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hockeybub89 posted...

You'd think they'd want to protect those poor defenseless children from getting destroyed by other boys.

at least in this case its their choice to compete at a disadvantage, so if anybody suffers its themselves

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AteIierRyza3462 posted...

How much flak is she getting for this?

I'd say "not enough" but honestly I can't imagine it's getting all that much attention given she's running as a Republican, well known for their respect of trans women, and in fact, women in general.

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What's the warned/suspended count for this topic?

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CyricZ posted...

Your "creativity" is akin to the idea of eliminating racism by just saying everyone's white now.

No, it's more like everybody gets to eat at the same facilities, no more segregated facilities are ever allowed.

Force Co-Existence & Co-Habitation of the same facilities.

The fact that you can't see that shows how blinded you are.

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CyricZ posted...

I'd say "not enough" but honestly I can't imagine it's getting all that much attention given she's running as a Republican, well known for their respect of trans women, and in fact, women in general.

Im surprised shes still with that party then after the Trump era.

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Some battles are worth fighting for, some are not

You don't get to decide this battle's not worth fighting.

The battles against conservatives have been against sex, against religion, against race/ethnicity, against sexuality, and now against gender identity.

We keep fighting because they keep attacking. Because apparently they need someone to attack.

Forcing us all to squeeze into one space doesn't magically solve the problem. Please point to any situation where that has worked.

AteIierRyza3462 posted...

Im surprised shes still with that party then after the Trump era.

Yeah I've been "surprised, not surprised" by a lot of things lately.

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Holy shit, nobody who replied to my last post actually read it.

Cowthief posted...

What's the warned/suspended count for this topic?

Pro trans people? 2-3. Transphobes? 1 warning I'm aware of and not even for a post in this topic.

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