Current Events > Apparently saying cops are bad is generalizing.

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R_Jackal posted...

A quick question, do you know what ACAB actually stands for?

Bastards means scumbags in the context of that quote. Not many people saying it believe there's anything bad about being born a child of a unwed mother.

Everyone saying ACAB are saying in the context of America's systemically racist system.

ButteryMales posted...

Bastards means scumbags in the context of that quote. Not many people saying it believe there's anything bad about being born a child of a unwed mother.

Everyone saying ACAB are saying in the context of America's systemically racist system.

That's what they mean, yes, but not what the saying means--but what does the first A in ACAB mean?

Let me explain my simple to understand four letter acronym with mountains of context and exposition so that you will understand and then agree

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gunplagirl posted...

I'm for getting them out of hands of anyone with a history of domestic violence.

Everyone else, ESPECIALLY minorities like myself, should have them.

You forfeit gun ownership with a dv charge

R_Jackal posted...

That's what they mean, yes, but not what the saying means--but what does the first A in ACAB mean?

It means all.

A few bad apples spoils the bunch

A few tolerated and rewarded bastards makes them all bastards.

R_Jackal posted...

That's what they mean, yes, but not what the saying means--but what does the first A in ACAB mean?

Also I'm not so sure you should capitulate to that.

Some people will say things like "Clearly defund the police doesn't mean cut all funding for the police, we really mean reform the police." But polls show a significant amount of people who say defund the police literally mean cut all funding, sometimes in the complete absence of any sort of required replacement.

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ButteryMales posted...

It means all.

A few bad apples spoils the bunch

A few tolerated and rewarded bastards makes them all bastards.

So if I have 1 bad apple and 9 good apples, how many bad apples do I have?

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It is

crooked cops can throat my hog though

joe40001 posted...

So if I have 1 bad apple and 9 good apples, how many bad apples do I have?

You really need to play stupid games to justify drive-by-ing black children. Tamir Rice died 6 years ago, way too much time for 9 apples to not rot.

ButteryMales posted...

You really need to play stupid games to justify drive-by-ing black children. Tamir Rice died 6 years ago, way too much time for 9 apples to not rot.

I'm not justifying anything. And they would have new cops since then.

Even if you say "It takes 5 years for a good apple around a bad apple to turn bad" then you will always still have good apples so long as with time you are adding new cops not all of whom are bad.

I think you think you can't hate corruption in police without generalizing, and you can because your issue is with the institution and not all the individuals.

You would have to give up hating any given cop by virtue of them being a cop, but at least then your anger would be directed appropriately.

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Yeah don't generalize about people and groups guy.
That's bad.
Unless they're black,transexual or ANFITA
/s

joe40001 posted...

I'm not justifying anything. And they would have new cops since then.

Even if you say "It takes 5 years for a good apple around a bad apple to turn bad" then you will always still have good apples so long as with time you are adding new cops not all of whom are bad.

I think you think you can't hate corruption in police without generalizing, and you can because your issue is with the institution and not all the individuals.

You would have to give up hating any given cop by virtue of them being a cop, but at least then your anger would be directed appropriately.

Throwing fresh apples on a spoiled vat doesn't make the spoiled vat any better.

some generalization are acceptable if they're not hurtful, saying all cops are bad is like saying all trans have the same personality as gunplagirl, not acceptable

Gwynevere posted...

And it isnt the roots of American policing if you ignore everything before 1838.

https://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/brief-history-slavery-and-origins-american-policing

Unless you think law enforcement in America didn't exist at all prior to then, in which case I really dont know what to tell you

I'm not the one saying that one thing is the root of everything, because that is reductive and not productive, that's what you are doing. The start of municipal policing in America was wealthy northern business owners banding together to get local governments to cover the cost of policing so that they didn't have to personally pay to protect their merchandise, which isn't about slavery and is a pretty significant part of the "roots" of our policing. My point was not that racism had nothing to do with it, it was that saying "racism is the root of American policing" is ignorant and only talking about one root in a big, tangled web of roots.

The problem is you didn't generalize the LGBT community

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ButteryMales posted...

Throwing fresh apples on a spoiled vat doesn't make the spoiled vat any better.

Yes it does, it now contains some apples that aren't bad.

An apple basket with 9 good apples and 1 bad apple that turns into an apple basket with 9 bad apples and 1 good apple, becomes better when receiving 10 more apples, if 9 of them are good and 1 is bad.

That's 90% bad to 50% bad which is much better.

Put simply, even if you have an incredibly low opinion of the police, a good person does not instantly on an individual level become a bastard the exact moment they become a cop, therefore it does not hold as true that ACAB.

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There's something like 800,000 police in America. If they were all what ACAB people claim we'd have mass graves insteaf of highly publicized incidents.

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joe40001 posted...

ButteryMales posted...

Throwing fresh apples on a spoiled vat doesn't make the spoiled vat any better.

Yes it does, it now contains some apples that aren't bad.

Nope, those fresh apples are now covered in moss, fungus, insects and any other spoilage instantly making them bad.

Cats are Beautiful and people need to accept it tbh.

Also, police can't help being born police and upholding a system of abuse and refusal to hold one another accountable so stop picking on them :(

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ButteryMales posted...

Nope, those fresh apples are now covered in moss, fungus, insects and any other spoilage instantly making them bad.

Ok in addition to not understanding cops you apparently don't understand how apples work either.

So "badness" to you is like a vampire bite, and in your mind so much as becoming a cop is like being bitten.

That would mean if somebody certified you as a cop against your will you would instantly become bad.

NGL that's pretty dumb.

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joe40001 posted...

So if I have 1 bad apple and 9 good apples, how many bad apples do I have?

10 if you leave the bad one in there for long enough

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lightwarrior78 posted...

There's something like 800,000 police in America. If they were all what ACAB people claim we'd have mass graves insteaf of highly publicized incidents.

Quit you and your logic.

Next then you are going to do is bring out statistics about how there are incidents where a cop didn't break into a violent killing spree, or worse yet actually defended a minority.

Go away, you and your horrible horrible data.

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thronedfire2 posted...

10 if you leave the bad one in there for long enough

And "long enough" is ostensibly a period of time greater than 0 seconds.

Thus for some time you have good apples.

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ButteryMales posted...

It means all.

A few bad apples spoils the bunch

A few tolerated and rewarded bastards makes them all bastards.

So are all BLM protesters assholes cause some of them rioted and looted?

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If police feel justified in using any lawbreaking, no matter how minor, to free them to use any level of force necessary to bring a person to justice then why is it not also true for a police officer who sees a colleague commit a crime and do nothing?

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Solid Snake07 posted...

So are all BLM protesters assholes cause some of them rioted and looted?

How hard were when you typed out this "gotcha"

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Your problem, TC, is that you generalized cops and not BLM, Antifa or MeToo

I've noticed a very disturbing trend over the last 4 years in terms of catering towards more conservative sensibilities. I mean, they thought it made sense to have a MAGA board for goodness sake

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ButteryMales posted...

It means all.

A few bad apples spoils the bunch

A few tolerated and rewarded bastards makes them all bastards.

I mean you can stop generalizing whenever. How do you actually know that all of them are tolerated? There could be situations like bullying, extortion and so on. Good people forced in to bad situations.

But, I guess that's an absolute impossibility. That never happens at all. Ever.

To clarify I'm saying that it's stupid to say bad cops exist and influence things outside of the police, but not inside and couldn't possibly push down good ones.

Funkydog posted...

How hard were when you typed out this "gotcha"

Stop thinking about my cock

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Stop thinking about my cock

So very, then?

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Policing is dysfunctional at the instructional level but to say all cops are bad at the individual level is very shortsighted and emotional. As someone already mentioned, theres close to a million police officers with tens of thousands of interactions with civilians on the daily, so if all cops were bad the rate of police brutality would be astronomically higher.

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Funkydog posted...

So very, then?

Obviously

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Solid Snake07 posted...

So are all BLM protesters assholes cause some of them rioted and looted?

Do they investigate, acquit, and reward assholes with paid time off?

BLM protestors would rather not have those white supremacists frame them or looters take advantage of their grief.

Tc has been here since 2018 and still dunno the rules here wtf

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ButteryMales posted...

Do they investigate, acquit, and reward assholes with paid time off?

BLM protestors would rather not have those white supremacists frame them or looters take advantage of their grief.

I think the issue is you are claiming to speak for far too many people.

There are plenty of cops who hate bad cops and don't want bad cops to represent them.

Also there are probably some BLM protestors who are like "fuck it, burn it all down, loot, riot, society has it coming."

The thing about large groups is you simply can't treat them as a monolith. You can criticize them at an institutional level, but that simply doesn't apply to every individual involved.

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ButteryMales posted...

Do they investigate, acquit, and reward assholes with paid time off?

BLM protestors would rather not have those white supremacists frame them or looters take advantage of their grief.

The point was your logic is dumb and flawed

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Solid Snake07 posted...

The point was your logic is dumb and flawed

That's ironic. I didn't come up with "A few bad apples spoils the bunch". Complain to them.

ButteryMales posted...

That's ironic. I didn't come up with "A few bad apples spoils the bunch". Complain to them.

It's saying meant for small groups, particularly children. Not 800k people spread across one of the largest counties in the world

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I called my girlfriend out this once when she was ranting and saying acab. At the same time she wanted heavier gun control.

Imagine a world with no law enforcement and you arent allowed to carry a weapon. That would make the worst parts of the middle east look like haven.
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Solid Snake07 posted...

It's saying meant for small groups, particularly children. Not 800k people spread across one of the largest counties in the world

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/one-bad-apple-spoil-the-barrel-metaphor-phrase

"Origin of 'Bad Apple'
Bad apple (or rotten apple) is indeed defined as someone who creates problems or causes trouble for others; specifically : a member of a group whose behavior reflects poorly on or negatively affects or influences the remainder of the group.

Versions of the proverb can be found as far back as the early 16th century. In The Cooks Tale from Geoffrey Chaucers Canterbury Tales, an apprentice chef named Perkin is asked to be let go from servitude on the rationale that his habits of drinking, vice, and debauchery will rub off on his colleagues."

Yeah, children just love drinking, vices, and debauchery.

ButteryMales posted...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/one-bad-apple-spoil-the-barrel-metaphor-phrase

"Origin of 'Bad Apple'
Bad apple (or rotten apple) is indeed defined as someone who creates problems or causes trouble for others; specifically : a member of a group whose behavior reflects poorly on or negatively affects or influences the remainder of the group.

Versions of the proverb can be found as far back as the early 16th century. In The Cooks Tale from Geoffrey Chaucers Canterbury Tales, an apprentice chef named Perkin is asked to be let go from servitude on the rationale that his habits of drinking, vice, and debauchery will rub off on his colleagues."

Yeah, children just love drinking, vices, and debauchery.

I think the point is that the reductive idiom "a bad apple spoils the bunch" is for children as it obviously doesn't scale, particularly across disparate groups.

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joe40001 posted...

I think the point is that the reductive idiom "a bad apple spoils the bunch" is for children as it obviously doesn't scale, particularly across disparate groups.

the point was actually the opinion of one person who regularly defends cops who are in the wrong.

so your point (read: opinion) means nothing. Sorry you tried to turn a 400+ year old phrase into what you personally want it to be.

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Zeeak4444 posted...

the point was actually the opinion of one person who regularly defends cops who are in the wrong.

so your point (read: opinion) means nothing. Sorry you tried to turn a 400+ year old phrase into what you personally want it to be.

What?

I don't even know what you are trying to say here.

It's impractical to take a idiom used typically for simplification or for children as a truism. I'd hope you'd agree to that.

If you are trying to do a ad hominin attack on me and I'm not understanding, I apologize, please be more clear in the future.

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ButteryMales posted...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/one-bad-apple-spoil-the-barrel-metaphor-phrase

"Origin of 'Bad Apple'
Bad apple (or rotten apple) is indeed defined as someone who creates problems or causes trouble for others; specifically : a member of a group whose behavior reflects poorly on or negatively affects or influences the remainder of the group.

Versions of the proverb can be found as far back as the early 16th century. In The Cooks Tale from Geoffrey Chaucers Canterbury Tales, an apprentice chef named Perkin is asked to be let go from servitude on the rationale that his habits of drinking, vice, and debauchery will rub off on his colleagues."

Yeah, children just love drinking, vices, and debauchery.

The point

Your head

As usual


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joe40001 posted...

I think the point is that the reductive idiom "a bad apple spoils the bunch" is for children as it obviously doesn't scale, particularly across disparate groups.

Yeah but bad apples are discarded.

Bad police just move around and keep being bad.


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divot1338 posted...

Yeah but bad apples are discarded.

Bad police just move around and keep being bad.

no no, clearly bad apples grow up to be good apples.

that or the good apples throw the bad apples out themselves.

or something stupid like that.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

The point

Your head

As usual

The point is all cops are bad if they're not held accountable for drive-by shooting children.

All Cops are not bastards because of the actions of a few. they're bastards because they're cops

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averagejoel posted...

All Cops are not bastards because of the actions of a few. they're bastards because they're cops

lol

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