Poll of the Day > NYC (along with other states in effect) to stop Prosecuting Prostitution...

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/manhattan-stop-prosecuting-prostitution-part-185325536.html

But still can be arrested for it, and still will charge Pimps and those who solicit...

Think that is fair?(Poll Question)

pionear posted...

But still can be arrested for it,

Then that makes zero fucking sense.

The office will continue to prosecute other crimes related to prostitution, including patronizing sex workers, promoting prostitution and sex trafficking, and said that its policy would not stop it from bringing other charges that stem from prostitution-related arrests.

And that's also kinda ridiculous.

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The point of this is that prostitutes are often no freeer than sex slaves.

so the decision to not prosecute them is to foster cooperation to get the pimps and sex traffickers who are the real criminals.

rhe prosecution of johns is a deterrent for the demand side of the equation.

and yes its fair and a completely different issue of whether or not prostitution should be legal and licesned. Well yes of course it should but de criminalizing the most likely victim is the first step.

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Zeus posted...

And that's also kinda ridiculous.

It's more or less what Canada's laws on the matter have ended up being. It's legal to sell, since laws to the contrary infringe on personal autonomy, but not legal to buy or to traffic. As silly as it seems, it's pretty much the only way to make prostitution illegal without having the government dictating what people are able to do with their own bodies (which, by extension, means that keeping prostitution illegal is silly).

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they don't care as long as drugs aren't involved and you are sober

from my experiance

you don't want it to be completely legal tho
like 99% of the population would contract hsv2 over night lol

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I'm 100% in favor of legalizing prostitution but had to vote No because this law sounds like complete bs and the question was "is this fair?"

Someone getting a prostitute isn't a criminal if the prostitute is a consenting adult, and it's beyond fucking stupid for the law to recognize her as such but still treat the John as if he's breaking the law.

Seems like NYC is just going hard on the feminist misandry shit lately (they can't specifically make something a crime for men and not women, but it's clear that's their aim w/ how some of these bills are coming together, whether or not it will have unintended consequences for women anyway):

https://reason.com/2021/04/08/deceiving-your-sex-partner-would-be-a-crime-under-bill-backed-by-new-york-democrats/

legalizing and regulating it would be the most effective way to combat human trafficking, and would create a ton of jobs and tax revenue

people have been paying for sex for as long as money and sex have existed, another law that only does harm

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Conner4REAL posted...

The point of this is that prostitutes are often no freeer than sex slaves.

...then arrests can be used to free them instead.

adjl posted...

It's more or less what Canada's laws on the matter have ended up being. It's legal to sell, since laws to the contrary infringe on personal autonomy, but not legal to buy or to traffic. As silly as it seems, it's pretty much the only way to make prostitution illegal without having the government dictating what people are able to do with their own bodies (which, by extension, means that keeping prostitution illegal is silly).

Which doesn't make any sense, particularly because you're still dictating what people can do with their bodies. And yes, keeping prostitution illegal is silly.

streamofthesky posted...

Someone getting a prostitute isn't a criminal if the prostitute is a consenting adult, and it's beyond fucking stupid for the law to recognize her as such but still treat the John as if he's breaking the law.

This.

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So prostitution is now legal but actually paying a prostitute isn't? That makes sense in what universe?

Seriously just make it legal, tax it, and monitor it so nobody is being forced to do it.

Absolutely no reason in this day and age for prostitution to be illegal. It's your body, do what you want with it, including selling it, or taking the risk of sleeping with someone who sleeps with others for a living.

Honestly if you legalize it, you could at least require prostitutes to get screened for STDs etc on a regular basis etc, which would probably make it safer for everyone.

In addition you could make things like hand jobs etc legal, which is safe (no STDs) and would make tons of guys "happy" lol.

Yeah, prostitutes should not be locked up, that is dumb, but neither should johns. Now pimps, pimps should be locked up even when it is legal, at least if the pimp is forcing girls to sleep with others for money, hitting them etc. If' it's a buisiness manager or protection etc, diff story, but anyone forcing someone to sleep with them/others should be arrested for rape (Even if it's rape via another person for money).

Make prostitution legal, stop sex trafficing, stop pimps getting girls addicted to drugs etc to make money, stop criminals from making so much money from it etc.

I'm to old to use a prostitute, and wouldn't have anyway in the past even if it was legal, but I think it's crazy to make it illegal and it puts people in danger.

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Zeus posted...

Which doesn't make any sense, particularly because you're still dictating what people can do with their bodies.

No, you're dictating what people can do with their money. The ultimate effect of that is to limit how much of a market there is for somebody that wants to sell sex, effectively limiting what they're able to do with their body, but there is still a fundamental difference there.

Zeus posted...

And yes, keeping prostitution illegal is silly.

It really is.

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what two (or more) consenting adults do should be their business
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This is one of the few issues that the right and the left are both kinda right. The left is like legalize it are you serious? Its legal if you film it but illegal if you dont? Who the fuck are you to tell me whats moral and what isnt when it comes to sex?

and the right is like its fucking dirty. Its run by dirty criminals and puts woman in danger.

yeah. Everybody is right. The solution is surprisingly not just make it legal! The solution is a long term plan of make it legal. its more like get these women and men who are addicted to meth and crack given to them by criminals and will suck somebodys dick for five dollars to buy more meth and crack some fucking help.

There are bad people. Get these people some HELP instead of treating throwing them in jail, but you cant just take away all of the going to jail parts of it because if thats taken away then the criminal says well now you can just leave, why were you in there for over an hour?

MICHALECOLE posted...

Its run by dirty criminals and puts woman in danger.

only because it is illegal

same with drugs

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Mead posted...

only because it is illegal

same with drugs

Yes absolutely

but this isnt drugs where you have supply and demand, this is humans as the supply.

MICHALECOLE posted...

This is one of the few issues that the right and the left are both kinda right. The left is like legalize it are you serious? Its legal if you film it but illegal if you dont? Who the fuck are you to tell me whats moral and what isnt when it comes to sex?

lolwut? The left is part of the reason why it's illegal.

MICHALECOLE posted...

yeah. Everybody is right. The solution is surprisingly not just make it legal! The solution is a long term plan of make it legal. its more like get these women and men who are addicted to meth and crack given to them by criminals and will suck somebodys dick for five dollars to buy more meth and crack some fucking help.

wtf? You're aware that not all prostitutes are drug addicts, right? And you're also aware that the ones who are addicts are often put on drugs by their pimps, right? If you legalize and regulate sex-work, all of that shit goes away and you could get people help who need it.

And the arguments from both sides against sex work today are the same arguments they were making against pornography years ago.

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Yes thats exactly what I realize, but to ignore the ones that are is irresponsible. I want it legal and regulated. At this point, it seems like everybody does. Im saying that it would be irresponsible to legalize prostitution no questions asked today. Its not the same as them being like blam weed is legal or blam gambling is legal or blam gay marriage is legal. This is different because of the ones that ARE addicted to drugs and have abusive pimps (or pimps at all).

its more than just, okey you can fuck for money, go get a job fucking for money and pay taxes! Its more than that. These are people that, while some are in it for the love of the game, most are not, and are in it because they have no other options.

there needs to be a period of adjustment that focuses on rehabilitation and attempting to help these people that are in these positions and have no other options/

Obviously as a small business it would need some oversights and, given the nature of the work, it would have more oversights than you would with normal contractors (for freelancers) and possibly comparable for other businesses in the field. However, if it did get too much into licensing, you'd probably run into a lot of the same issues you have now where men & women victimized by the system would be either reluctant or unable to seek help because they weren't able to meet the government standards.

MICHALECOLE posted...

These are people that, while some are in it for the love of the game, most are not, and are in it because they have no other options.

there needs to be a period of adjustment that focuses on rehabilitation and attempting to help these people that are in these positions and have no other options/

And that's what I find stigmatizing, insulting, and condescending. You have a lot of people who are stuck in crappy jobs because they can't find anything else, but this is seen as being special in some way. And the fact that a lot of sex workers make more money through sex work than they would in other low-rung jobs is just the nature of low-rung jobs. And is there really something that much worse about a person with no other skills getting into sex work instead of making less money working another low-rung job? Frankly, they're better off *for* having those other options.

However, realistically speaking, the people at the very bottom rungs would probably be hurt by the legalization process because of the associated entry barriers and then they'd get in trouble for operating without a license.

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Oh okay those classic prostitutes who dont want to be prostitutes but are so fucking lucky to have the option.

so condescending.

as fucked up as it is

it still isn't a crime

until we ban porn, borders and homelessnous
even the suggestion that selling sex is bad is absurd

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aiyobro posted...

as fucked up as it is

it still isn't a crime

until we ban porn, borders and homelessnous
even the suggestion that selling sex is bad is absurd

Neither of those have to do with prostitution.
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Decriminalization is such a limp dick action to take. Either legalize it, or don't.

At least legalizing and regulating it helps mostly solve the social and health problems associated with it.

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yeah but then the gov't wants taxes and the gov't becomes the pimp

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aiyobro posted...

yeah but then the gov't wants taxes and the gov't becomes the pimp

#truecapitialisim

Lols.

Seriously some people like sex, in fact, I would imagine more people would get into sex work, if it was legal, and be happy for that job, then are in it now (many forced or very unhappy).

Even saying the cost would go down for various sex acts if it was legalized, there were no pimps etc, you still would be able to make WAY more money in that trade then most other jobs that don't require training/education etc.
Heck if you could go get a hand job for 15 minutes for $50 anytime you want, i'm pretty sure alot of guys would *literally* line up for that. But even taking a 5 minute break between clients (to wash your hands etc lolz) that would be a good $150 an hour before taxes were taken out.

That would also add alot of revenue in taxes for the gov/states etc, and that is just talking about hand jobs.

Seriously it would make the male population at least much more *happy*, and would provide a very good source of income for many as well (without actually having to do much with their body (IE no actual sex/penetration etc).

So don't decriminalize and half measures, just flat out make hand jobs and perhaps even blow jobs (some risk there though and I don't know enough about the risk factors to determine if that should be legal), legal and taxed.

Straight up sex etc, could still be illegal in most cases unless you go through screening before etc (to ensure nobody will catch an STD etc), so would probably still be a lengthy process (which you can still get around just by "filming a video" lol).

But yeah, make HJ's and maybe BJ's legal, tax em, and stop paying pimps and criminals because you think it's morally wrong.

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