Poll of the Day > Women that like Jordan Peterson want a more assertive boyfriend.

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ReturnOfFa
04/17/21 3:46:29 PM
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CODY. Why can't you be more of a lobster in difficult situations?

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HornedLion
04/17/21 3:53:26 PM
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ALL women want an assertive boyfriend. Women like to test guys constantly. Theyll say one thing but mean another, and your job is to figure that out. If you cant then you failed the test and arent worthy.

Dont believe me? Ask Marni, the dating coach:

https://youtu.be/xkDCkpwAdrQ

In all her intro she even says, My job is to show you what women want versus what they say they want.

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Mead
04/17/21 3:56:15 PM
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There are women that like him?

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ReturnOfFa
04/17/21 3:57:06 PM
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HornedLion posted...
ALL women want an assertive boyfriend. Women like to test guys constantly. Theyll say one thing but mean another, and your job is to figure that out. If you cant then you failed the test and arent worthy.

Dont believe me? Ask Marni, the dating coach:

https://youtu.be/xkDCkpwAdrQ

In all her intro she even says, My job is to show you what women want versus what they say they want.
I'm here to tell jokes. That's nice if you want to suck Marni's clit.

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ReturnOfFa
04/17/21 3:57:54 PM
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Mead posted...
There are women that like him?
Surprisingly, I've worked with more women who recommend him to me than men. I broke down a lot of his dung for a girl I went to highschool with, and she has a good laugh at my criticisms now.

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JigsawTDC
04/17/21 4:06:53 PM
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Mead posted...
There are women that like him?

I've only ever met one woman that likes him and she is a weird technofascist who desperately wants a Taken in Hand relationship.
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ReturnOfFa
04/17/21 4:10:55 PM
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I wish female anatomy wasn't censored. I can say vas deferens but not clitoris?

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Zeus
04/17/21 4:28:50 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
Surprisingly, I've worked with more women who recommend him to me than men. I broke down a lot of his dung for a girl I went to highschool with, and she has a good laugh at my criticisms now.

Is that surprising? Men aren't all that manly any more, a fact that frustrates many of the women (some of whom are partly responsible for feminizing men, although the culpable ones are less likely to be Peterson fans)

HornedLion posted... ALL women want an assertive boyfriend. Women like to test guys constantly. Theyll say one thing but mean another, and your job is to figure that out. If you cant then you failed the test and arent worthy.

And unfortunately their testing is pretty ass-backwards and, because they're trying to qualify the wrong way (specifically in trying to see how men respond to confrontation), they often let violent, abusive men pass with flying colors which creates all sorts of additional social issues.

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IronBornCorps
04/17/21 4:48:13 PM
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Yes ALL women are like this...#NotAllMen
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ReturnOfFa
04/17/21 4:49:09 PM
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Zeus posted...
Is that surprising? Men aren't all that manly any more, a fact that frustrates many of the women (some of whom are partly responsible for feminizing men, although the culpable ones are less likely to be Peterson fans)

And unfortunately their testing is pretty ass-backwards and, because they're trying to qualify the wrong way (specifically in trying to see how men respond to confrontation), they often let violent, abusive men pass with flying colors which creates all sorts of additional social issues.
Manliness is a construct and these books are trying to sell it to people who think they'll be more manly by plugging a few sentences into their average day.

Men aren't more 'feminine', unless you want to label certain attributes as 'feminine' as Jordo does. Jordan himself likes to cry on camera, which people will say is feminine. Is it? Or is it asserting an empathetic connection with someone?

At the end of the day, he's another salesman like Dr. Oz feeding off of insecurity and feeding into it.

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ReturnOfFa
04/17/21 4:49:34 PM
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IronBornCorps posted...
Yes ALL women are like this...#NotAllMen
I'm joking but then I realized this topic was a mistake.

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JigsawTDC
04/17/21 4:52:06 PM
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Zeus & HornedLion are just the sort of nice guys I'd expect to be experts on the psychology of women. Thankful to have their expertise here.
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ReturnOfFa
04/17/21 4:54:10 PM
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JigsawTDC posted...
Zeus & HornedLion are just the sort of nice guys I'd expect to be experts on the psychology of women. Thankful to have their expertise here.
Imagine telling a woman you're dating that you got advice on being 'assertive' from a woman on youtube.

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ClarkDuke
04/17/21 5:00:50 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
Imagine telling a woman you're dating that you got advice on being 'assertive' from a woman on youtube.
admitting you sought someone elses help to begin with, isnt something a woman wants in their man, ok?

but i also second your post, ok?

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Zeus
04/17/21 5:05:01 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
Manliness is a construct and these books are trying to sell it to people who think they'll be more manly by plugging a few sentences into their average day.

Manliness predates books and the claim that manliness is merely a construct was created by radical feminists, SJWs, etc, who are trying to grow their brand at the expense of society. The idea that manliness is diminishing in society is hardly a concept that just emerged in the last 20 years. It was so well-established that in the 90s you had things like Fight Club where the loss of manliness was a major plot point.

Pretty much every nation has either noted or is struggling with the loss of masculinity. While some of the terms become associated with authors (such as "herbivore men" in Japan), that's not quite the same thing as your claim that people are inventing things purely to sell books. Social scientists, psychologists, etc, observe phenomena and they'll write on that subject. The fact that a book exists doesn't reduce credibility, and you've certainly never argued that point when it comes to anything feminism has tried to claim despite the criticism being even *more* true in that arena given that the largest proponents tend to be uncredentialed, ill-informed self-promoting propagandists.


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ReturnOfFa
04/17/21 5:13:21 PM
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Zeus posted...
Manliness predates books and the claim that manliness is merely a construct was created by radical feminists, SJWs, etc, who are trying to grow their brand at the expense of society. The idea that manliness is diminishing in society is hardly a concept that just emerged in the last 20 years. It was so well-established that in the 90s you had things like Fight Club where the loss of manliness was a major plot point.

Pretty much every nation has either noted or is struggling with the loss of masculinity. While some of the terms become associated with authors (such as "herbivore men" in Japan), that's not quite the same thing as your claim that people are inventing things purely to sell books. Social scientists, psychologists, etc, observe phenomena and they'll write on that subject. The fact that a book exists doesn't reduce credibility, and you've certainly never argued that point when it comes to anything feminism has tried to claim despite the criticism being even *more* true in that arena given that the largest proponents tend to be uncredentialed, ill-informed self-promoting propagandists.
According to...?

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ReturnOfFa
04/17/21 5:18:14 PM
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There's assertive.

Then there's being assertive all day about a bunch of annoying crap.

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ClarkDuke
04/17/21 5:19:22 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
According to...?
zeus speaks from his own lack of manliness, along with the narrative hes paid to repeat from his handler, ok?

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OhhhJa
04/17/21 5:56:08 PM
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Masculinity is not a social construct lol
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ReturnOfFa
04/17/21 6:16:04 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Masculinity is not a social construct lol
define it using attributes that are only attributable to one gender

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OhhhJa
04/17/21 6:24:47 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
define it using attributes that are only attributable to one gender
Greater physical strength for one. That's the most obvious
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OhhhJa
04/17/21 6:25:34 PM
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And increased physical strength lends itself to being the sex that generally handles tasks that require greater physical ability
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IronBornCorps
04/17/21 6:28:17 PM
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In my experience, these are the same women who like Joe Rogan, and aren't feminist because "want to be pretty and have a family".
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OhhhJa
04/17/21 6:32:51 PM
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Joe Rogan is a pretty neutral guy honestly. People just get upset because he has right wing and left wing figures on his show, but he endorsed bernie sanders
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HornedLion
04/17/21 6:37:27 PM
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JigsawTDC posted...
Zeus & HornedLion are just the sort of nice guys I'd expect to be experts on the psychology of women. Thankful to have their expertise here.

But I am a nice guy. Just not a push over and I dont have my head in the clouds.

I see women as Mogwai. You have the ones that are like Stripe and his crew, but you want to ultimately land a Gizmo.

But even with a Gizmo there are rules:

1) Dont expose to sunlight(Show her love & respect, and make sure she gives you respect back.)

2) Dont get wet(Except you want to make them wet by maintaining yourself fit and healthy. Stay on your purpose, career, etc.)

3) Dont feed after midnight(Maintain frame. Always be the leader. Todays society has people conditioned to read what I said as, Always be a tyrant. Theres a difference. Tyrants are abusive assholes that should be left or in jail. Leaders are assertive, strong men that provide, solve problems, push the household forward, and excel.)

Know that even a Gizmo can turn into a fucking Instagram whoring Gremlin if you dont obey the rules. Get at me, if you will, but youll just be exposing you naivet.

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ReturnOfFa
04/17/21 6:46:17 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Greater physical strength for one. That's the most obvious
That will apply generally, but not across the board. There are men without physical strength that people will find manly. It isn't definitive, so isn't a rule. It's subjective.

OhhhJa posted...
Joe Rogan is a pretty neutral guy honestly. People just get upset because he has right wing and left wing figures on his show, but he endorsed bernie sanders
It's easy to be neutral. Joe Rogan knows a few things well. MMA is one of them.

HornedLion posted...
But I am a nice guy. Just not a push over and I dont have my head in the clouds.

I see women as Mogwai. You have the ones that are like Stripe and his crew, but you want to ultimately land a Gizmo.

But even with a Gizmo there are rules:

1) Dont expose to sunlight(Show her love & respect, and make sure she gives you respect back.)

2) Dont get wet(Except you want to make them wet by maintaining yourself fit and healthy. Stay on your purpose, career, etc.)

3) Dont feed after midnight(Maintain frame. Always be the leader. Todays society has people conditioned to read what I said as, Always be a tyrant. Theres a difference. Tyrants are abusive assholes that should be left or in jail. Leaders are assertive, strong men that provide, solve problems, push the household forward, and excel.)

Know that even a Gizmo can turn into a fucking Instagram whoring Gremlin if you dont obey the rules. Get at me, if you will, but youll just be exposing you naivet.
90% if women I know would rather die than hear any of this 20th century re-appropriated masculinity for sale woo crap.

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ReturnOfFa
04/17/21 6:47:23 PM
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BE A LEADER by following this easy step-by-step process

the irony

self-help is only self-help if individualized and the individual dispenses of preconceived notions of what will universally apply as a 'best' solution.

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HornedLion
04/17/21 6:56:36 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
90% if women I know would rather die than hear any of this 20th century re-appropriated masculinity for sale woo crap.

I dont doubt it. They dont want a man that knows the psychology behind it all. After all, beta males make the best husbands.



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Mead
04/17/21 6:58:08 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Masculinity is not a social construct lol

some parts of it are

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ReturnOfFa
04/17/21 7:00:15 PM
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HornedLion posted...
I dont doubt it. They dont want a man that knows the psychology behind it all. After all, beta males make the best husbands.

Yeah I'm not getting it on with any woman that gives a shit about any of this garbage either.

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OhhhJa
04/17/21 7:07:54 PM
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Mead posted...
some parts of it are
Agreed. It's definitely shaped by society in many ways and manifests itself differently, but there are definitely traits that are decidedly masculine and feminine. Just to point out the feminine aspects... having become a father last year, there are undoubtedly feminine qualities that only a mother can experience. Things like boobs tingling when a child is crying, the act of breastfeeding in general... so many things apply simply to being a mother
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IronBornCorps
04/17/21 7:08:17 PM
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There is so much I could unpack on on that little list, but starting it off with "but I'm a nice guy" really was the cherry on top, lol.
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HornedLion
04/17/21 7:12:01 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
Yeah I'm not getting it on with any woman that gives a shit about any of this garbage either.

Thats the thing, my friend...

The times have changed but biology hasnt. And no woman dreams about being with a pear shaped, entry level, passive, reactive beta soy boy... no matter how much they say it... its not what gets their juices flowing.

And again, you can find a gizmo, although most get snatched up in their 20s... but know that even then youre not safe. You need to still be privy to the kind of truth most dont want to accept or hear.

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IronBornCorps
04/17/21 7:14:09 PM
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bruh, wtf is a Mogwai?
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HornedLion
04/17/21 7:15:25 PM
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IronBornCorps posted...
There is so much I could unpack on on that little list, but starting it off with "but I'm a nice guy" really was the cherry on top, lol.

But I am, though. God forbid something happens to my Gizmo, I would probably turn to girls like you. With my contempt for modern western women.

Maybe we could understand each other better. Do you want that, IBC? Want to understand each other better?

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ReturnOfFa
04/17/21 7:16:33 PM
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HornedLion posted...
Thats the thing, my friend...

The times have changed but biology hasnt. And no woman dreams about being with a pear shaped, entry level, passive, reactive beta soy boy... no matter how much they say it... its not what gets their juices flowing.

And again, you can find a gizmo, although most get snatched up in their 20s... but know that even then youre not safe. You need to still be privy to the kind of truth most dont want to accept or hear.
Well, at least my topic remains in the realm of comedy.

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Mead
04/17/21 7:18:01 PM
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Was hornedlion always. . .like this?

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Clench281
04/17/21 7:30:21 PM
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Mead posted...
Was hornedlion always. . .like this?

Diet Shenti?

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Lokarin
04/17/21 7:33:49 PM
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IronBornCorps posted...
bruh, wtf is a Mogwai?

wut, are you liek 20 or something?

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MeteoricBurst
04/17/21 7:37:06 PM
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Masculinity and femininity are fairly arbitrary. Across history what's deemed masculine has changed especially with fashion (eg high heels, makeup etc). What remains constant though is that whatever is seen as masculine at any given time is always looked on much more favourably than whatever is feminine. That's because women are seen as weaker and inferior to men. So whatever men deem masculine/feminine is what matters, not what women say.

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IronBornCorps
04/17/21 7:37:52 PM
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While I do seek to understand just about everyone better. I will say at least you are aware of your contempt for women.

I've dated nice guys, and I'm with one now. Not one of them felt the need to tell me how nice they were. I've been with guys who did tell me on the first date how nice they were. Then I was a a bitch when they didn't get their way. Your statement about, "I'm nice, but assertive" absolutely reeks of that attitude.

*googles*
o, Gremlins, why didn't you just call women Gremlins?
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ReturnOfFa
04/17/21 7:44:59 PM
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IronBornCorps posted...
While I do seek to understand just about everyone better. I will say at least you are aware of your contempt for women.

I've dated nice guys, and I'm with one now. Not one of them felt the need to tell me how nice they were. I've been with guys who did tell me on the first date how nice they were. Then I was a a bitch when they didn't get their way. Your statement about, "I'm nice, but assertive" absolutely reeks of that attitude.

*googles*
o, Gremlins, why didn't you just call women Gremlins?
As a guy, this is also my experience with other men. Anyone who professes how 'nice' of a guy they are ends up being full of shit, deflective, unable to take responsibility for their own actions, and a few I've met actively want a woman to clean up for them. Great!

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OhhhJa
04/17/21 7:47:03 PM
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MeteoricBurst posted...
What remains constant though is that whatever is seen as masculine at any given time is always looked on much more favourably than whatever is feminine
Completely disagree. This is absolutely not true in many societies/cultures throughout history. And any real man has a great deal of respect for femininity. It's just as important to society as masculinity. Both play their part and are important for different reasons
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Clench281
04/17/21 7:49:35 PM
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Mogwai and gremlins are clearly distinct

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HornedLion
04/17/21 7:51:03 PM
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IronBornCorps posted...
Your statement about, "I'm nice, but assertive" absolutely reeks of that attitude.

I have to say it because its a forum. Sure we all post but no one really knows anyone else. My satirical posts, jokes, and sarcasm further muddies the situation. So, I felt like I had to say it.

IronBornCorps posted...
Then I was a a bitch when they didn't get their way.

Those are the worst. Theyre the liars and the users. The betas. Someone confident in themselves would just accept it, respectfully question your decision or walk away. Simple.

IronBornCorps posted...
o, Gremlins, why didn't you just call women Gremlins?

Because Gremlins are the evil form. In my analogy most women are like Stripe or the other aggressive ones. And gizmo is that unicorn. Its that girl thats your best friend, loyal, trustworthy, wont be tempted by another mans delts, is just as okay with cooking you a meal as she is going out to eat... shes that ride or die chick.




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rexcrk
04/17/21 7:51:21 PM
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HornedLion posted...
ALL women want an assertive boyfriend. Women like to test guys constantly. Theyll say one thing but mean another, and your job is to figure that out. If you cant then you failed the test and arent worthy.

Yeah and then they get pissed off at you for that too hes so demanding! What an asshole he doesnt ever ask me what *I* want

F***in joke.

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HornedLion
04/17/21 8:01:38 PM
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rexcrk posted...
Yeah and then they get pissed off at you for that too hes so demanding! What an asshole he doesnt ever ask me what *I* want

F***in joke.

Well, what youre describing is them playing the victim card.




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MeteoricBurst
04/17/21 8:03:19 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Completely disagree. This is absolutely not true in many societies/cultures throughout history. And any real man has a great deal of respect for femininity. It's just as important to society as masculinity. Both play their part and are important for different reasons

I just said masculine and feminine are not set for many things. The men decide that. "Femininity" as you call it is respected if it was being practised by men under a previous guise. The minute women adopt it, its deemed lesser and men are also lesser for practising it (whatever that may be). Unless you only mean a woman's feminine body. That has been a prized constant across every culture yes. I don't know if you'd call that respect though, it's more like idolatry and objectification.

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Lokarin
04/17/21 8:05:40 PM
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How to find out if something is a social construct: If there was only one human would the comparison still work

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IronBornCorps
04/17/21 8:06:15 PM
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So your worldview of women is based on a movie from the 80's?

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