Current Events > Your opinion on buying toys and games to hold and sell later.

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What do you think?
This is like scalping but they have years to buy the item.

That's not scalping.

But yeah, I do like a good toy

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No opinion

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PoundGarden posted...

That's not scalping.

But yeah, I do like a good toy

How often and how long does it take you to dust your collection?

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PoundGarden posted...

That's not scalping.

That is what I said. It is similar though.

Usually you buy on clearance and hold many years. But like a popular thing like Magnamalo amiibo, you would pre-order so it reduces a sale from people opening it just like a scalper does.

If youre not clearing out the stock then I dont see a problem with buying some with the intention of flipping later after theyre out of print.

But when you get assholes buying up entire racks of toys from Wal-Mart and selling 8 dollar figures for over a hundred, they can get fucked.

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AlisLandale posted...

If youre not clearing out the stock then I dont see a problem with buying some with the intention of flipping later after theyre out of print.

But when you get assholes buying up entire racks of toys from Wal-Mart and selling 8 dollar figures for over a hundred, they can get fucked.

I see, I see.

I need to buy some ultra sun and moon to keep sealed before it goes oop.

you'll get a much better RoI with actual investing.

look at Folklore, for example. $60 new over 10 years ago and only $100 now. not good RoI

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

you'll get a much better RoI with actual investing.

look at Folklore, for example. $60 new over 10 years ago and only $100 now. not good RoI

Oh snap!

@EngineerGamer

How's it any different than the local game store charging more for a game than I can get it for online? I don't think that's common with video games anymore but board games are always pricier

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Balrog0 posted...

How's it any different than the local game store charging more for a game than I can get it for online? I don't think that's common with video games anymore but board games are always pricier

The guys selling online are these guys.

Giant_Aspirin posted...

you'll get a much better RoI with actual investing.

look at Folklore, for example. $60 new over 10 years ago and only $100 now. not good RoI

@Giant_Aspirin

Then again, Fire Emblem fates CE is worth $550 a user said.

That was released in 2015.

It went up $91 a year over 6 years.

That is a better return than actual investing is it not?
Infact, many collectibles are like this.

Folklore is a bad example.

a $91 return on a $460 investment over 6 years is only ~19%, that's not good.

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

is only ~19%, that's not good.

Where can you find better?

Investing in non-volatile stocks typically is only 10% in 10 years

https://www.fool.com/investing/how-to-invest/stocks/average-stock-market-return/

The past decade has been great for stocks. From 2011 through 2020, the average stock market return was 13.9% annually for the S&P 500 Index (SNPINDEX:^GSPC). The returns can -- and do -- vary wildly from one year to the next, and an "average" year almost never actually generates the average return.
Over that decade, only one year -- 2014, up 13.8% -- was close to the 13.9% average annualized return. The catch? Nobody knows which years will be above or below average. This is where the one-year average is helpful only in setting the stage for stocks as good long-term investments.

19% is higher than 13% but that 13 they are given is suspect to me

generally it is said to be 9%-10%

Scalping is scummy.

Letting something appreciate over time is not.

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WingsOfGood posted...

Investing in non-volatile stocks typically is only 10% in 10 years

10% per year for 10 years, yeah. not 10% over 10 years.

example:

invest $1.

at a 19% overall ROI over 10 years, you're left with $1.19. a gain of 19%

vs 10% per year for 10 years and you're at $2.59. a gain of 159%

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

10% per year for 10 years, yeah. not 10% over 10 years.

umm, yea.

19% of $80 is $15

Did you not understand that Fire Emblem Fates CE was just $80 ?

Now it is $550

And it gained $91 per year so it is WAY more than 19% per year

don't know what math you are doing

WingsOfGood posted...

It went up $91 a year over 6 years.

oh my bad, i missed the "$91 a year". sorry, i thought you were saying it went up $91 over the six year period.

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Giant_Aspirin posted...

10% per year for 10 years, yeah. not 10% over 10 years.

example:

invest $1.

at a 19% overall ROI over 10 years, you're left with $1.19. a gain of 19%

vs 10% per year for 10 years and you're at $2.59. a gain of 159%

wtf is this math?

pay $80 in 2015

Can sell it for $550 in 2021

that means on average it gained $91 a year

that is over 100% return not 19%

everyone should watch this

it applies to more than just mtg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvSq7wlBRDw

Returning_CEmen posted...

How often and how long does it take you to dust your collection?

About a week, I do it a few times a year. That's just my Spider-Man stuff too, I finally started unpacking my shit yesterday after a move 6 months ago. Still need to put up my Transformers, Hot Wheels, Star Wars and comic book stuff lol

Giant_Aspirin posted...

you'll get a much better RoI with actual investing.

look at Folklore, for example. $60 new over 10 years ago and only $100 now. not good RoI

Plus (assuming they use ebay) kiss 18-20% of that goodbye, ebay/PayPal want a cut too.

A better investment would have been silver or obviously BTC/Tesla

WingsOfGood posted...

Where can you find better?

Investing in non-volatile stocks typically is only 10% in 10 years

Honestly silver. It is ridiculously undervalued and being clearly manipulated. LONG story short, there's physical and paper shares. Physical you hold, paper is literally an IOU for metals. People are trying to cash in their paper for the physical, and the vaults literally do not have it; they effectively oversold. So, to keep spot price low (they offer to give cash in life of silver) they are selling more paper shares (same thing the IS is doing with the dollar print print print) and it cannot keep up forever. Spot is about $25 right now, but could/should explode to at least $50 or even $100+ per oz. But you have to buy physical, as millions of people are finding out, if you don't hold it you don't own it.

Plus it's pretty to look at and makes me feel like a pirate

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I own a lot of collectibles that have appreciated a good deal over time, mainly video games and Magic: The Gathering both singles and sealed product.

My test for whether I'm going to buy or not at release is if I would be okay with keeping it and opening it myself. So there are a lot of 'limited editions' I pass up on even if I don't plan on opening just because I wouldn't want to keep what's included myself.

Keeps me from ever truly losing value on stuff and also from it never losing the fun hobby aspect and becoming pure investment.

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Legos do a similar return.

https://www.amazon.com/LEGO-Jabbas-Palace-Discontinued-manufacturer/dp/B007Q0OVCK

This cost $119.99 in 2012

https://brickset.com/sets/9516-1/Jabba-s-Palace

My assumption is amazon is overpriced and you can sell like $300 on ebay.

So this is about 9% return on $120

However, for things like legos, they often go on clearance and have sales, so you should have a lower cost than msrp.

PoundGarden posted...

Honestly silver.

@PoundGarden

Can you math out the 10 year roi on silver?

PoundGarden posted...

Plus (assuming they use ebay) kiss 18-20% of that goodbye, ebay/PayPal want a cut too.

yes, this is true, and some assumed risk of shad buyers.

however, overall the returns on alot of this stuff outpaces any fee loss

I like to collect and sell as well

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Megaman50100 posted...

I own a lot of collectibles that have appreciated a good deal over time, mainly video games and Magic: The Gathering both singles and sealed product.

My test for whether I'm going to buy or not at release is if I would be okay with keeping it and opening it myself. So there are a lot of 'limited editions' I pass up on even if I don't plan on opening just because I wouldn't want to keep what's included myself.

Keeps me from ever truly losing value on stuff and also from it never losing the fun hobby aspect and becoming pure investment.

One thing different than investing in stocks is if your investment crashes, you don't have nothing.
You still have the collectible and if it is something you enjoy, that isn't the worst thing in the world.
If your stock goes to 0, well, you have nothing.

Generally speaking, I don't have a problem with it, so long as they aren't clearing out stock. Like with the scalpers for graphics cards and PS5's, there were people selling dozens, at double the price, right after release. Because they were sold out everywhere. That is scummy.

With sealed copies of games, it takes a while to go that high in price.

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NoxObscuras posted...

Generally speaking, I don't have a problem with it, so long as they aren't clearing out stock. Like with the scalpers for graphics cards and PS5's, there were people selling dozens, at double the price, right after release. Because they were sold out everywhere. That is scummy.

With sealed copies of games, it takes a while to go that high in price.

I remember when I went to gamestop to pick up my fire emblem fate CE pre-order.

The clerk wanted to buy it from me LOL.

After pre-orders gone, there was no way to get one.

I actually had plans to open and play it but my backlog prevented that and before I knew it, it was a sought after collector item.

WingsOfGood posted...

@PoundGarden

Can you math out the 10 year roi on silver?

Impossible, but every ~10 years there's a spike, last was in 2011 @ $30/oz. I started buying last year @ $14/oz and it's spiked back up to $30 and held consistently in the $26/oz range the last few months. But as I said it's being manipulated, realistically with supply not meeting demand it should be $100ish/oz.

You have the right mentality for precious metal investing though, its a long game

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Collectors will get "extra" stock of items if possible just for the purpose of trading/selling them (either now or down the line) so they can turn that into just expanding their collection. And that's just a minute facet of that game. Now if you want to give an opinion on collectors, I would have to believe that's an entirely separate discussion. I personally am not a collector and if I acquire a physical version of a game I'm for sure just looking to play it at some point.

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masticatingman posted...

Collectors will get "extra" stock of items if possible just for the purpose of trading/selling them (either now or down the line) so they can turn that into just expanding their collection. And that's just a minute facet of that game. Now if you want to give an opinion on collectors, I would have to believe that's an entirely separate discussion. I personally am not a collector and if I acquire a physical version of a game I'm for sure just looking to play it at some point.

This 100%. Smart collectors make the hobby finance itself. I may give zero fucks about some wrasslin figure, but if I know it sells for $60 online and I see it I'll grab it and turn it into 3 Marvel figures I do want

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Part of what makes these toys/games more valuable in the future is the reduced amount of supply. Which you're causing by getting these toys/games in the first place.

I think it's a scummy practice but then again I don't see the appeal of a CIB game gained for the only purpose of having it remain in the box in the first place. Toys and games are meant to be consumed. Good condition but used games are great to resell!
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philsov posted...

Part of what makes these toys/games more valuable in the future is the reduced amount of supply. Which you're causing by getting these toys/games in the first place.

And what keeps collectible toy manufacturers in business is guys like me who will absolutely buy a 14th Wolverine figure because the latest has a new hat. It's not the odd purchase some parent makes to shut their kid up or spoil at Christmas. I promise your avg adult collector spends way more per year on toys than your avg parent.
So you may think it's "scummy", but the collector market gives incentive to toy manufacturers to make good figures and constantly release new ones. Otherwise they can sell any crap to kids, they're dumb lol

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philsov posted...

Part of what makes these toys/games more valuable in the future is the reduced amount of supply. Which you're causing by getting these toys/games in the first place.

I think it's a scummy practice but then again I don't see the appeal of a CIB game gained for the only purpose of having it remain in the box in the first place. Toys and games are meant to be consumed. Good condition but used games are great to resell!

NRFB!
https://youtu.be/6PrRUKFcnPM

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WingsOfGood posted...

That is what I said. It is similar though.

Its more like gambling than anything else. Betting against the house that they at least retain some value or better yet, increase in value.

A nice collection of low value stuff still has its charm, but looking at a shelf valued at $1000 is is often better.

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Im sitting on an unopened copy of Mario 3D all stars and an apparently super rare Pokmon card waiting to sell.

As someone who resells regularly, I dont have a problem with it as long as you get the items legit. Once you start botting then I have a real problem with what you are doing

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