Current Events > U.S. has PAUSED the Johnson and Johnson Covid vaccine over blood clot concerns

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Houston
04/13/21 10:55:58 AM
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"The six cases out of 6.8 million doses given in the U.S. involve a rare and severe type of blood clot called cerebral venous sinus thrombosis, which was seen in combination with low levels of blood platelets, the FDA and CDC said in a joint statement. All of the cases involve women between the ages of 18 and 48, and the symptoms occurred 6 to 13 days after vaccination.
These are not the typical blood clots we usually think of in the leg, for example those occur with a frequency of hundreds of thousands per year, Azar noted. Rather, these are rarer events a blood clot in the veins of the brain that are thought to be perhaps triggered by an immune reaction. Thats why were seeing this predominantly in younger women.
Birth control could play a part health officials just dont know yet, she added."

https://www.today.com/health/us-pauses-johnson-johnson-vaccine-after-blood-clot-reports-t214757


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The Popo
04/13/21 10:57:14 AM
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Surely the number of lives that the vaccine will save far outstrips the number of people effected in a one-in-a-million negative side effect.

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dave_is_slick
04/13/21 10:58:14 AM
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Over only six people?

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EndOfDiscOne
04/13/21 11:01:50 AM
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Why not just pause it in women under 48?

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Ricemills
04/13/21 11:03:42 AM
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dave_is_slick posted...
Over only six people?

should we wait for a hundred? how many fatalities it needs until we took an action?

US has other vaccines with better efficacy rate, pulling J&J is a good move for precautions.

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SaltyWet
04/13/21 11:05:10 AM
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And probably a few thousand deaths from covid due to pulling this vaccine

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Ricemills
04/13/21 11:07:26 AM
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SaltyWet posted...
And probably a few thousand deaths from covid due to pulling this vaccine

so, J&J pulled = no Moderna and Pfizer for people?

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uwnim
04/13/21 11:08:50 AM
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dave_is_slick posted...
Over only six people?
And possibly caused by birth control medication and not the vaccine

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Tyranthraxus
04/13/21 11:09:03 AM
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6 women probably about to find out they have Lupus.

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dave_is_slick
04/13/21 11:09:21 AM
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Ricemills posted...
should we wait for a hundred? how many fatalities it needs until we took an action?
Yes, absolutely. Millions have gotten the vaccine and only 6 people got blood clots. That's nothing AT ALL to pause for. People have severe reactions to some medicines.

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RetsuZaiZen
04/13/21 11:10:14 AM
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Fortunately, there are other vaccines available.

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Trelve
04/13/21 11:10:16 AM
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What's to say that these six women weren't going to get blood clots anyway and the vaccine is just a coincidence?

The benefits of having the vaccine far outweigh the negatives.
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Tyranthraxus
04/13/21 11:10:33 AM
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dave_is_slick posted...
Yes, absolutely. Millions have gotten the vaccine and only 6 people got blood clots. That's nothing AT ALL to pause for. People have severe reactions to some medicines.
This isn't an allergic reaction. It's an immune system reaction. Because a vaccine is involved it's worth closer scrutiny.

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Ricemills
04/13/21 11:11:00 AM
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dave_is_slick posted...
Yes, absolutely. Millions have gotten the vaccine and only 6 people got blood clots. That's nothing AT ALL to pause for. People have severe reactions to some medicines.

ah, good move. let's wait for more victims before we act. it worked so well with covid prevention.

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dave_is_slick
04/13/21 11:13:36 AM
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JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...
Is there information on whether or not they survived?
One died, as far as I know. Which is still nothing to pause for considering MILLIONS have gotten this vaccine.

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dave_is_slick
04/13/21 11:13:57 AM
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Ricemills posted...
ah, good move. let's wait for more victims before we act. it worked so well with covid prevention.
Oh you're concern trolling.

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teep_
04/13/21 11:17:13 AM
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Ricemills posted...
SaltyWet posted...
And probably a few thousand deaths from covid due to pulling this vaccine

so, J&J pulled = no Moderna and Pfizer for people?

Aren't they starting to run out cause they stocked up J&J?
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Ricemills
04/13/21 11:17:46 AM
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dave_is_slick posted...
concern trolling.

classic.


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chrono625
04/13/21 11:18:33 AM
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Trelve posted...
What's to say that these six women weren't going to get blood clots anyway and the vaccine is just a coincidence?

The benefits of having the vaccine far outweigh the negatives.

the problem is that people hear blood clots and death! And they are far more unlikely to willingly take the vaccine.

and I dont blame them given the heavy scrutiny the vaccine was already under.

its the right call right now. They have to ease peoples minds before they turn more people against the vaccine.

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Ricemills
04/13/21 11:19:23 AM
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teep_ posted...
Aren't they starting to run out cause they stocked up J&J?

honestly, idk.
but seriously, does the vaccination effort in the US will be stopped if J&J paused/pulled?
no other vaccine alternatives?

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Jabodie
04/13/21 11:21:05 AM
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Ricemills posted...
honestly, idk.
but seriously, does the vaccination effort in the US will be stopped if J&J paused/pulled?
no other vaccine alternatives?
The US ordered 100 million doses by the end of May. As you can imagine, that's a significant part of the vaccine effort.

However, J&J is having severe production problems right now anyway, so we were already going to fall behind.

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Tyranthraxus
04/13/21 11:21:57 AM
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Ricemills posted...
honestly, idk.
but seriously, does the vaccination effort in the US will be stopped if J&J paused/pulled?
no other vaccine alternatives?
Pfizer and Moderna are in full swing no signs of stopping. Johnson & Johnson is a crappy vaccine that is as good only as 1 shot of Moderna or Pfizer. Long term there's no reason to the Johnson & Johnson vaccine to even exist. It only exists now because it's better than nothing.

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MegaCamerupt
04/13/21 11:23:26 AM
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Ricemills posted...
so, J&J pulled = no Moderna and Pfizer for people?
Rural areas in the US have been relying heavily on J&J
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krazychao5
04/13/21 11:25:34 AM
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my gf was giving pfizer vaccines yesterday and basically all the people were collapsing, convulsing, throwing up, and it was in an open room...so everyone saw that happening, increasing their fears. she had a rough day at it.

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Jabodie
04/13/21 11:27:48 AM
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krazychao5 posted...
my gf was giving pfizer vaccines yesterday and basically all the people were collapsing, convulsing, throwing up, and it was in an open room...so everyone saw that happening, increasing their fears. she had a rough day at it.
That's wild. I volunteer at a vaccine clinic that does about 2k Pfizer doses a day and the majority of issues are young people with anxiety fainting lol (I've seen maybe 4k or 5k walk in and out while I was on shift).

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dave_is_slick
04/13/21 11:28:34 AM
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krazychao5 posted...
my gf was giving pfizer vaccines yesterday and basically all the people were collapsing, convulsing, throwing up, and it was in an open room...so everyone saw that happening, increasing their fears. she had a rough day at it.
That would be on the news if that happened

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Ricemills
04/13/21 11:28:48 AM
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so, i was gonna say "why not just pump up the production of moderna and Pfizer?", but it obviously won't be easy.

but still, pausing J&J is the right move. needs another test if there was really a flaw on the vaccine or special conditions that triggers it. if it's found, then the vaccine can be administered safely.
i just feel "it's just 6 people" is a reckless attitude.

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dave_is_slick
04/13/21 11:29:21 AM
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Ricemills posted...


classic.
Yeah, it's why I recognized it so quickly.

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krazychao5
04/13/21 11:29:32 AM
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dave_is_slick posted...
That would be on the news if that happened
it did happen. not everything that occurs in the world is reported on the news, especially something that minor in metro detroit.

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theAteam
04/13/21 11:31:03 AM
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Can't speak for other places but about 90% of the vaccine appointments I saw online here in Orange County CA were for J&J and the state is going to open up eligibility for everyone on Thursday. So yeah I think it will be tough to get Moderna/Pfizer around here.

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Ricemills
04/13/21 11:31:24 AM
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dave_is_slick posted...
Yeah, it's why I recognized it so quickly.

you wouldn't recognise a troll even if it's sitting on your face.

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uwnim
04/13/21 11:34:31 AM
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Ricemills posted...
so, i was gonna say "why not just pump up the production of moderna and Pfizer?", but it obviously won't be easy.

but still, pausing J&J is the right move. needs another test if there was really a flaw on the vaccine or special conditions that triggers it. if it's found, then the vaccine can be administered safely.
i just feel "it's just 6 people" is a reckless attitude.
It really isnt. Fully stopping the vaccine because of an issue affecting a tiny, tiny percentage of the people vaccinated with this and all the people fall into the same category is an overreaction. It is being done because CYA is their policy and the damage done by stopping the vaccine would be greater, but less visible than the damage caused by continuing to allow it.

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-Unowninator-
04/13/21 11:36:28 AM
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Oh crap; my sister got this vaccine!
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04/13/21 11:37:50 AM
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krazychao5 posted...
my gf was giving pfizer vaccines yesterday and basically all the people were collapsing, convulsing, throwing up, and it was in an open room...so everyone saw that happening, increasing their fears. she had a rough day at it.
Damn, that's rough. Wonder why that happened.

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Ricemills
04/13/21 11:40:01 AM
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uwnim posted...
It really isnt. Fully stopping the vaccine because of an issue affecting a tiny, tiny percentage of the people vaccinated with this and all the people fall into the same category is an overreaction. It is being done because CYA is their policy and the damage done by stopping the vaccine would be greater, but less visible than the damage caused by continuing to allow it.

why do i feel that people have a false impression that's im against vaccination?
i never said the vaccination should be stopped, i said switch to safer and more reliable vaccine like moderna and pfizer.

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JBaLLEN66
04/13/21 11:47:39 AM
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Cant believe people are so angry over the FDA taking precautionary measures

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kingdrake2
04/13/21 11:50:56 AM
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-Unowninator- posted...
Oh crap; my sister got this vaccine!


nothing likely will happen other than feeling fatigued the next day. it's a total dice roll.
i'm 7 days from getting fully protected with J&J vaccine (66% efficiency).

i would get it again, even if there's a blood clot risk.
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Tyranthraxus
04/13/21 11:55:44 AM
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J&J doesn't have full protection.

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Frosted_Midna
04/13/21 11:57:22 AM
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uwnim
04/13/21 11:59:23 AM
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Ricemills posted...
why do i feel that people have a false impression that's im against vaccination?
i never said the vaccination should be stopped, i said switch to safer and more reliable vaccine like moderna and pfizer.
Im not saying you are against vaccinations. I was talking about the government agencies and their reaction.

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What_
04/13/21 11:59:44 AM
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Fear mongering from the anti-VAX community
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dave_is_slick
04/13/21 11:59:53 AM
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Ricemills posted...
you wouldn't recognise a troll even if it's sitting on your face.
But i recognize your concern trolling. It's transparent as hell.

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dave_is_slick
04/13/21 12:00:53 PM
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krazychao5 posted...
it did happen. not everything that occurs in the world is reported on the news, especially something that minor in metro detroit.
Mass collapsing from a vaccine would make the news.

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Scorsese2002
04/13/21 12:01:59 PM
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Buddy of mine got it on Friday, hope nothing bad happens
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krazychao5
04/13/21 12:03:27 PM
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dave_is_slick posted...
Mass collapsing from a vaccine would make the news.
okay, i'll just tell my gf she was hallucinating and that it did not happen and she had a very good day with no issues because some goober on a dying message board said so

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Ricemills
04/13/21 12:03:44 PM
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dave_is_slick posted...
But i recognize your concern trolling. It's transparent as hell.

ironic since you are the one derailing the topic by accusing me, instead of continuing the discussion.
and that's my friend, is the genuine concern trolling.

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ZevLoveDOOM
04/13/21 12:04:36 PM
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im sure they're gonna work on an update.
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BreezyExcursion
04/13/21 12:07:37 PM
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i got j&j

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