Poll of the Day > Canada Healthcare severely struggling with new Covid rise

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Ontario orders hospitals to halt non-emergency surgeries as COVID-19 patients fill ICUs, Hospitals also running out of medicines for Covid patients and common treatments.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/covid-19-ontario-hospitals-elective-surgery-icu-patients-1.5980755

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-drug-critical-to-covid-19-patients-being-rationed-in-ontario/

Yeahhhhh... I think I'll pass on the whole "free Healthcare" thing, looks like the system is falling apart when wealthy Canadians can't just skip the line and use American hospitals on the border.

Yeah because USA hospitals didn't do the same thing with spikes as well.

Way to be a troll

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Whose alt is TC?

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Goosebumps posted...

Yeahhhhh... I think I'll pass on the whole "free Healthcare" thing, looks like the system is falling apart when wealthy Canadians can't just skip the line and use American hospitals on the border.

The problem is pretty much no one is respecting the lockdowns, never did for the whole year, and ALSO complained the lockdowns were too much

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well I want the free healthcare

I cant even afford to use the healthcare that I pay for. We literally pay them for a service that we dont use, even when we need it, because we cannot afford it.

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Mead posted...

well I want the free healthcare

I cant even afford to use the healthcare that I pay for. We literally pay them for a service that we dont use, even when we need it, because we cannot afford it.

Yeah I am a firm believer that I insurance wasn't a thing Healthcare would probably cost less than what we pay for insurance.

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canadian healthcare has pros and cons for sure, however this is not actually an issue with the system. at least here in ontario, it's because of our reckless conservative government continuing to do lockdowns that don't actually lock anything down and then reopening way too soon, which is why we are now on our third stay-at-home order

on the bright side, i really don't see doug ford getting reelected at this point. he has one of the lowest approval ratings of a premier in the country and his base (wealthy people in toronto) are mad at him for making them have even more severe lockdowns due to the weird ineffective regional approach

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Uh, we halted non-emergency surgeries here in BC for a few months when COVID first hit. My friend was excited for her back surgery. It was put off by a couple months, but she still got it and is thankful everyone got the care they needed \_()_/

I mean, I'm concerned as hell for the Healthcare system too, but it's so dumb when people politicize policy choices like this in one narrow way. Total failure? Wanna compare death rates?

USA deaths per 100,000: 171.71

Canada deaths per 100,000: 62.79

gREAT JOB private healthcare!

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hypnox posted...

Yeah because USA hospitals didn't do the same thing with spikes as well.

Way to be a troll

plus...how much did it cost?

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In the US the Health Insurance industry alone made 35.7 Billion dollars last year.

More money needs to be spent in Canada on upgrading their health care for sure, and there are downsides, but, they didn't lose 35.7 BILLION dollars of tax payers money to the industry at least.

How many people died because they could not afford health care services, or there were not enough spaces in hospitals etc, so people could make 35.7 billion bucks in 2020?

I'm not saying health care has to be free (tho i'm not against it), I am saying nobody should be making billions each year of the industry though.

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Damn, somebody lucked out with that username.

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Lokarin posted...

The problem is pretty much no one is respecting the lockdowns, never did for the whole year, and ALSO complained the lockdowns were too much

Pretty much. Most of the country has done a better job of managing Covid than the US has (see: vastly fewer cases and deaths), but many provinces have never made it down to comfortable levels and governments have caved to pressure to relax restrictions well before it was actually safe to do so, resulting in cases repeatedly getting out of control. Between variants and people refusing to accept a new wave of restrictions after getting to relax again (fuelled by a false sense of security provided by the vaccines, despite rates still being relatively low and case numbers exploding), case numbers are very much not going the way they should be.

Kanatteru posted...

canadian healthcare has pros and cons for sure, however this is not actually an issue with the system. at least here in ontario, it's because of our reckless conservative government continuing to do lockdowns that don't actually lock anything down and then reopening way too soon, which is why we are now on our third stay-at-home order

on the bright side, i really don't see doug ford getting reelected at this point. he has one of the lowest approval ratings of a premier in the country and his base (wealthy people in toronto) are mad at him for making them have even more severe lockdowns due to the weird ineffective regional approach

I'm so glad I left Ontario last summer. We left in early August, and London blew up around mid-September and really hasn't properly settled down since. Meanwhile, in Nova Scotia, we had 5 new cases yesterday, all of which can be traced to either travel or contacts with previous cases. New Brunswick is struggling a bit, thanks to their land borders with Quebec and the US, but PEI and Newfoundland are doing roughly as well as NS. The Atlantic Bubble has worked, which is so fantastic.

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Goosebumps posted...

Yeahhhhh... I think I'll pass on the whole "free Healthcare" thing, looks like the system is falling apart when wealthy Canadians can't just skip the line and use American hospitals on the border.

I know this is a shitpost, but drawing a line between these two things is like drawing a line between the increase in covid cases and the death of Osama bin Laden.

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So many people have access to health care! The horror!

Luckily in America we have stockpiles of medical supplies while people die.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

I know this is a shitpost, but drawing a line between these two things is like drawing a line between the increase in covid cases and the death of Osama bin Laden.

How many Covid cases were there before bin Laden died? None? That's what I thought.

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adjl posted...

How many Covid cases were there before bin Laden died? None? That's what I thought.

I mean there were outbreaks of SARS though

I think that was essentially the same virus

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Mead posted...

I mean there were outbreaks of SARS though

I think that was essentially the same virus

So it's like the difference between Christmas and Saturnalia

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SARS had the same problem - Canadians have an even GREATER sense of personal freedom than Americans do and didn't avoid public SARS death parties until the national guard stepped in /hyperbole

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Mead posted...

I mean there were outbreaks of SARS though

I think that was essentially the same virus

It was (Covid's actual name is SARS-CoV-2), but SARS decided to spontaneously mutate into being harmless. Bin Laden was also still alive during the SARS outbreak. Coincidence? I'm just asking questions.

Side note: The utter disaster that Covid has been has really driven home just how incredibly lucky we all were that SARS killed itself. The public health world was gearing up for a pandemic even worse than Covid has been while the rest of us toiled away in blissful ignorance, but the virus decided to give us a break. We beat SARS not by good management or because it didn't have the potential to shut down the world, but by sheer dumb luck, which is honestly kind of terrifying.

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adjl posted...

Side note: The utter disaster that Covid has been has really driven home just how incredibly lucky we all were that SARS killed itself. The public health world was gearing up for a pandemic even worse than Covid has been while the rest of us toiled away in blissful ignorance, but the virus decided to give us a break. We beat SARS not by good management or because it didn't have the potential to shut down the world, but by sheer dumb luck, which is honestly kind of terrifying.

We got super lucky with covid as well.

The fact that an effective vaccine could be developed in the space of a year is crazy.

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adjl posted...

I'm so glad I left Ontario last summer. We left in early August, and London blew up around mid-September and really hasn't properly settled down since. Meanwhile, in Nova Scotia, we had 5 new cases yesterday, all of which can be traced to either travel or contacts with previous cases. New Brunswick is struggling a bit, thanks to their land borders with Quebec and the US, but PEI and Newfoundland are doing roughly as well as NS. The Atlantic Bubble has worked, which is so fantastic.

yeah, i think i am done with ontario after i graduate. i have a lot of friends in montreal now, maybe i'll try there. some would say that's picking a different poison though lol

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Blightzkrieg posted...

We got super lucky with covid as well.

The fact that an effective vaccine could be developed in the space of a year is crazy.

I'm not actually surprised by that. Most of the time it takes to develop any new drug is a consequence of needing to secure funding and find trial participants. Covid's a really huge problem that everyone wants to fix, so everyone with money to throw at it has done so (see: Bill Gates preemptively building 7 different vaccine factories despite knowing full well that only one or two of them would ever actually end up being useful), and people have lined up to volunteer for trials. With that kind of commitment from world governments and supports, any pharmaceutical could be developed in a fraction of the usual time.

Now, the fact that many of those vaccines are showing 90%+ efficacy? That's pretty lucky. Many vaccines never reach such a threshold, so achieving that on such an emergency basis is absolutely fantastic.

Kanatteru posted...

yeah, i think i am done with ontario after i graduate. i have a lot of friends in montreal now, maybe i'll try there. some would say that's picking a different poison though lol

Right now, Montreal's a mess, certainly, but outside of grossly mismanaging pandemics it's a pretty decent place to live. Quebec's current governing party has some... interesting ideas about how to run the place (you'd think somebody with such a keen interest in his French heritage would know what happens to French heads of state when they try to snuff out poor people >.>), but I'd still prefer it to Ford's bumbling incompetence and active efforts to undermine the basic foundations of society, and whatever Quebec as a whole is doing, Montreal kind of remains its own entity.

To Ford's credit, I actually felt he handled the pandemic reasonably well in the early stages. Stuff was locked down to a reasonable degree early enough to make a meaningful difference and keep many communities safe. He just relaxed things too soon and at roughly the same time as students began going back to many of those formerly-safe communities, mostly from not-safe Toronto, resulting in a bunch of major outbreaks that never came back under control. Then his flip-flopping ever since has just made people less willing to comply while also negating any good the restrictions were able to accomplish while they were in effect.

I shouldn't be too smug, though. As much as the Atlantic provinces have done an amazing (like, almost NZ-calibre) job of getting the pandemic under control, that's been as much because of good fortune as good planning. We never had a really substantial initial load of cases to contend with, which made it much, much easier to wrangle the cases we had and get to the point where we could maintain near-zero levels. By and large, we have still been very good about complying with requirements, but a large part of that is because we have been able to taste success and therefore know that we can achieve it again if we remain committed through additional waves. That does a lot for motivation.

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Goosebumps posted...

Yeahhhhh... I think I'll pass on the whole "free Healthcare" thing, looks like the system is falling apart when wealthy Canadians can't just skip the line and use American hospitals on the border.

Oh yeah let's just take a look at the US's "superior healthcare" and how they're handling it

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Yellow posted...

Oh yeah let's just take a look at the US's "superior healthcare" and how they're handling it

I haven't seen any panicking hospitals lately in the US, even in cesspool states like CA/NY. Canada is acting like its March 2020 running around like headless chickens not knowing how to handle a spike. Really....struggling to ration basic medications, overflowing hospitals with no space, how are they this bad off? Not like they had over a year or anything... But hey get what you pay for eh?

Yet another right wing troll account

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Goosebumps posted...

I haven't seen any panicking hospitals lately in the US, even in cesspool states like CA/NY. Canada is acting like its March 2020 running around like headless chickens not knowing how to handle a spike. Really....struggling to ration basic medications, overflowing hospitals with no space, how are they this bad off? Not like they had over a year or anything... But hey get what you pay for eh?

I mean in US hospitals you can go into medical debt for the rest of your life and that's just a common thing

And you get similar or worse care on top of it if you actually go by the statistics instead of news story anecdotes

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Mead posted...

Yet another right wing troll account

What do they call it when you pretend to be in the opposing group just to make bad arguments? I get that vibe a lot from new users.

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Yellow posted...

What do they call it when you pretend to be in the opposing group just to make bad arguments? I get that vibe a lot from new users.

If they're doing it ironically they're a Poe, if they're doing it unironically they're an Attention Whore

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Yellow posted...

What do they call it when you pretend to be in the opposing group just to make bad arguments? I get that vibe a lot from new users.

could literally be kids

I mean I started coming here at 13

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Yellow posted...

I mean in US hospitals you can go into medical debt for the rest of your life and that's just a common thing

And you get similar or worse care on top of it if you actually go by the statistics instead of news story anecdotes

Lol why quote the question and answer zero part of it? Again how does a country have over a year to prepare for spikes and even has vaccines at this stage to help, and yet still act like it's March 2020. I'd expect that incompetence from North Korea not Canada. Although they too offer free health care.