Current Events > Derek Chauvin trial - The murder of George Floyd

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Zikten posted...

They are back to saying Floyd died cause of drugs and or bad health. Also they are suggesting he swallowed drugs as cops were approaching his car

None of that matters. If I have high blood pressure and someone shoots me and the high blood pressure causes a complication and I die, that person is still legally responsoble for my death. Unless of course they are a cop.

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CableZL posted...

The defense's forensic pathologist just said:
* When he referred to Floyd as experiencing a sudden death, he actually meant a sudden cardiac arrest
* Someone who suffers a cardiac arrest can possibly be revived if given immediate medical assistance
* He is critical of the fact that Floyd was not given immediate medical care once he went into cardiac arrest.

Thanks for the play by play. I'm still not able to watch at work today.

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CableZL posted...

Cardiologist just destroyed the defense's line of questioning about people being put in the prone position in the ICU. In that situation, they're always on a ventilator to make sure the amount of oxygen they're receiving is enough.

As someone who has personally proned people in the ICU, the thought of someone even making the comparison here is laughable.

Davos posted...

Van Dyke was found guilty of second degree murder and 16 counts of aggravated battery with a firearm, but was found not guilty of official misconduct

The concept of second degree murder not meeting the definition of official misconduct is kind of funny, ngl

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CableZL posted...

The defense's forensic pathologist just said:

When he referred to Floyd as experiencing a sudden death, he actually meant a sudden cardiac arrest
Someone who suffers a cardiac arrest can possibly be revived if given immediate medical assistance
He is critical of the fact that Floyd was not given immediate medical care once he went into cardiac arrest.

Point 1 is pedantic nitpicking. All deaths involve a cardiac arrest.
Point 2 and 3 are the things that irked me the most when watching the initial video last year. Beyond the sloppiness and excess of their restraint, it was the headstrong refusal to make any kind of welfare check on the dude until way too late that rubbed me so wrong.

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Sonic Cannon posted...

Point 1 is pedantic nitpicking. All deaths involve a cardiac arrest.

This is ultimately what matters in law. Besides, Sudden Cardiac Arrest is different from just "cardiac arrest" in that the latter always happens in death while the former is called a heart attack and can very much happen while you're alive.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

"cardiac arrest" in that the latter always happens in death while the former is called a heart attack and can very much happen while you're alive.

A cardiac arrest is not a heart attack

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https://twitter.com/capehartj/status/1382700527323123716?s=21

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Sonic Cannon posted...

A cardiac arrest is not a heart attack

I didn't say it was.

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Flauros posted...

No matter what the verdict is, people need to respect the decision.

People should only respect the decision if justice is delivered. The courts can make a decision without delivering justice and that isnt something anybody should respect.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

People should only respect the decision if justice is delivered. The courts can make a decision without delivering justice and that isnt something anybody should respect.

Quite frankly if the court can't deliver justice it has no reason to exist period.

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Flauros posted...

No matter what the verdict is, people need to respect the decision.

George Stinney.

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Flauros posted...

No matter what the verdict is, people need to respect the decision.

No, only a Guilty verdict should be respected. And even then, its a begrudging respect, since systemic issues of racism and police abuse still exist. It should not quell a single protest.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

Quite frankly if the court can't deliver justice it has no reason to exist period.

If it doesn't delver justice, it should be burned to the ground and rebuilt from scratch. It needs to exist and justice needs to be delivered.

DepreceV2 posted...

https://twitter.com/capehartj/status/1382700527323123716?s=21

coward

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PatrickMahomes posted...

coward

https://twitter.com/buffsblg/status/1382701042937311237?s=21

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What could he even say in his defense?

I feared for my life
The crowd distracted me
I lost track of time

I cant think of anything he could possibly say that would make things look good for him

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Tired-Insomniac posted...

What could he even say in his defense?

I feared for my life
The crowd distracted me
I lost track of time

I cant think of anything he could possibly say that would make things look good for him

The defense has been trying to make the case that the crowd was distracting him for a large portion of the trial.

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The defense has rested their case.

The prosecution is bringing Dr. Martin Tobin back as a rebuttal witness.

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that was quick

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So if the rebuttal witness mentions the new carbon monoxide test results the judge will declare a mistrial

dafuck

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Uh oh

mistrial imminent?

Welp

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Dr. Martin Tobin just smashed the theory that George Floyd's carbon monoxide level was too high

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I'm terrified

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Tobin is fucking amazing

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even if they could blame carbon monoxide wouldnt that still have been Chauvins fault for holding a mans face close to a running cars tailpipe for 9 minutes?

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Tired-Insomniac posted...

even if they could blame carbon monoxide wouldnt that still have been Chauvins fault for holding a mans face close to a running cars tailpipe for 9 minutes?

Yep

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Tired-Insomniac posted...

even if they could blame carbon monoxide wouldnt that still have been Chauvins fault for holding a mans face close to a running cars tailpipe for 9 minutes?

It's definitely not a very well thought out defense. Wouldn't be the only dumb defense they've tried.

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What new lab results are they referring to with respect to the risk of a mistrial?

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Tired-Insomniac posted...

What could he even say in his defense?

I feared for my life
The crowd distracted me
I lost track of time

I cant think of anything he could possibly say that would make things look good for him

Yeah basically

The best thing for Chauvin is to STFU, because I highly doubt the guy could come off like anything less than an absolute monster by recalling his version of the events.

The thing is, that Chauvin not testifying also is worse for us getting any sort of justice from this.

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The prosecution rests.

Closing arguments to happen on Monday.

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God damn it why Monday

we still have a whole day and a half before the weekend

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I'm confused, the defense called like 1-2 days of witnesses and suddenly we're talking about a mistrial?


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PatrickMahomes posted...

I'm confused, the defense called like 1-2 days of witnesses and suddenly we're talking about a mistrial?

The defense claimed that Tobin didn't provide certain documents for the defense to review although Tobin claims he did.

More accurately the defense probably just didn't understand the medical terminology in it & why it was relevant.

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So far as Chauvin taking the fifth, that is his right. They still should have put his ass on the stand and force him to invoke the fifth to every single question asked.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

The defense claimed that Tobin didn't provide certain documents for the defense to review although Tobin claims he did.

More accurately the defense probably just didn't understand the medical terminology in it & why it was relevant.

which is fine, but I don't understand how the defense being dumb is changing the projected outcomes from "prosecution blew them the fuck out" to "oh god there might be a mistrial"

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PatrickMahomes posted...

which is fine, but I don't understand how the defense being dumb is changing the projected outcomes from "prosecution blew them the fuck out" to "oh god there might be a mistrial"

Just because the defense asks for something doesn't mean they'll get it obviously.

Chances of a mistrial at this point are effectively nil.

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Yeah, the prosecution avoided the mistrial well in regard to the carbon monoxide test results with basic medical science.

If the oxygen saturation in your blood is 98%, you can't then have any more than 2% of CO.

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The co thing was actually a brilliant move by Nelson. He got the prosecution to come up and say that Floyds blood oxygen level was 98% (which I believe theyve known since February) and that is the last thing the jury will hear. At this point, manslaughter is the most the state could hope for. That said, I would not be surprised if he walks or there is a hung jury. The defense has introduced more than enough doubt,

CableZL posted...

If the oxygen saturation in your blood is 98%, you can't then have any more than 2% of CO.

This isn't actually true, depending on how you measure oxygen saturation. CO has a higher affinity for haemoglobin than oxygen does, and pulse oximeters will read haemoglobin bound to either gas as being saturated (CO poisoning gives falsely high readings)

Of course if you're using a proper gas analyser on a blood sample rather than measuring directly on the patient, this can measurement issue can be avoided.

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Sonic Cannon posted...

This isn't actually true, depending on how you measure oxygen saturation. CO has a higher affinity for haemoglobin than oxygen does, and pulse oximeters will read haemoglobin bound to either gas as being saturated (CO poisoning gives falsely high readings)

Of course if you're using a proper gas analyser on a blood sample rather than measuring directly on the patient, this can measurement issue can be avoided.

It is close enough to true that it functionally doesn't matter about the minute technical details. They weren't allowed to mention the carbon monoxide test so they went with the test they could mention which was the oxygen saturation to prove there wasn't enough room for 10-18% carbon monoxide.

But most importantly even if there was then Chauvin was holding his face right up to it

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Nothing I am saying in this topic is intended to come to the defense of the accused.
I just get antsy when people misunderstand/misuse medical terminology in an authoratative way. Like when you said "sudden cardiac arrest" is called a heart attack.

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