Current Events > Derek Chauvin trial - The murder of George Floyd

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CableZL
04/09/21 1:15:30 AM
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I'm not sure what else the defense can continue to claim here. The testimony from April 8th was pretty damning.

  • Dr. Martin Tobin, world renowned pulmonologist, established very succinctly that George Floyd's cause of death was a low level of oxygen as a result of 4 factors: Floyd's prone position on the street, his hands being handcuffed behind his back, Chauvin's knee on Floyd's back, and Chauvin's knee on Floyd's neck.
  • George Floyd's actions while pinned on the ground show that he was actually struggling to breathe. Struggling so much so that he was pressing his knuckle into the tire of the police car in attempt to prop the right side of his body up in order to breathe. Using his shoulder in attempt to pull his right side off of the ground. Propping himself with his face, chin, forehead, etc. at one point.
  • Tobin was able to show the exact moment Floyd experienced a fatal brain injury due to low oxygen levels with video from another officer's body camera.
  • Dr. Tobin also said that if fentanyl was to cause someone to have trouble breathing, they would have a slowed fate of breathing. Dr. Tobin was able to show with video that Floyd's breathing was within a normal range. Also that a fentanyl overdose would cause someone to go into a coma. Floyd didn't go into a coma before he died.
  • Dr. Tobin also brought up the fact that Floyd's carbon dioxide level was 89 at the time it was measured. This is a fatal level, with normal being in the range of 35 - 45.
  • The toxicologist also showed that Floyd had 11ng/ml of fentanyl in his blood at the time it was measured. He looked at data from thousands of previous cases in which fentanyl was found in someone's blood. He found numerous cases where someone was arrested for DUI and lived with higher amounts of fentanyl in their blood. 53 cases where people in this scenario had more than 50ng/ml of fentanyl in their blood.
  • The toxicologist also stated that with a fentanyl overdose, you would expect to see little or no norfentanyl in the blood. Norfentanyl is what the body produces when it eliminates fentanyl. Floyd has around 5ng/ml of norfentanyl in his blood. Floyd's fentanyl / norfentanyl ratio was much lower than reported cases where fentanyl was found in the blood of dead people.


Not sure where the defense can go from here.

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Cowthief
04/09/21 1:17:41 AM
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bknight
04/09/21 1:20:30 AM
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Wonder how long after the trial before Netflix documentary comes out.
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St0rmFury
04/09/21 6:30:11 AM
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XxGhaleonxX
04/09/21 6:32:25 AM
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gunplagirl
04/09/21 6:50:57 AM
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I hope Chauvin gets the book thrown at him. If he gets off or gets off really light with all of this, cities will burn.

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littlebro07
04/09/21 7:10:08 AM
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Did that guy at the end of the last topic just completely ignore yesterdays testimonies?

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St0rmFury
04/09/21 7:31:50 AM
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littlebro07 posted...
Did that guy at the end of the last topic just completely ignore yesterdays testimonies?

Pretty much, and he posts a Twitter link as if it's going to convince us he's right.
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CableZL
04/09/21 8:25:43 AM
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littlebro07 posted...
Did that guy at the end of the last topic just completely ignore yesterdays testimonies?

Yes

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littlebro07
04/09/21 10:54:57 AM
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Looks like todays testimonies will bury the defenses case even further.

Really interested to see what kinda bullshit theyll bring up with their witnesses next week

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CableZL
04/09/21 11:07:09 AM
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IMO, it seems like there were and still are a lot of bullshit rumors surrounding this whole incident swirling around.

I've seen lots of people say that the medical examiner ruled that Floyd died due to a heart attack. The medical examiner specifically said that Floyd due to a cardiopulmonary arrest, which just means his heart and lungs stopped working.

Also, I've seen a lot of people say that Floyd had a "massive or fatal" amount of fentanyl in his blood. We saw yesterday that the amount of fentanyl in his blood was neither massive nor fatal when compared with thousands of other cases where fentanyl was found in someone's blood.

The forensic pathologist testifying now again clarified that Floyd didn't die of a heart attack.

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PatrickMahomes
04/09/21 11:12:14 AM
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Cowthief posted...
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St0rmFury posted...
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XxGhaleonxX posted...
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gunplagirl posted...
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CableZL
04/09/21 11:13:00 AM
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Prosecutor: How would you classify the amount of meth in George Floyd's blood?
  • Well, it was there. It wasn't particularly high.


So basically, anyone claiming George Floyd had a "massive amount of drugs in his system" at this point is either lying or they've just ignored the actual evidence.

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Giant_Aspirin
04/09/21 11:19:53 AM
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woah, that's pretty significant testimony.

what worries me about this case is how high profile and inherently political it has become. it's going to be near impossible for any member of the jury to look at the evidence objectively and dismiss whatever bias they held going into this. i fear that they'll vote along "do i support BLM" lines more than the evidence, in which case it only takes one racist / thin blue line asshole.

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AtelierRyza3462
04/09/21 11:23:05 AM
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So what's the verdict?

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littlebro07
04/09/21 11:26:05 AM
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AtelierRyza3462 posted...
So what's the verdict?

Still another couple weeks away at least

on one hand it doesnt look good at all for Chauvin

on the other it just takes one racist thin blue line asshole on the jury to fuck it up

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Legato-and-Vash
04/09/21 11:26:37 AM
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Tyranthraxus
04/09/21 11:26:57 AM
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CableZL posted...
Not sure where the defense can go from here.

You forgot to mention the police surgeon testimony.



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ScazarMeltex
04/09/21 11:28:15 AM
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littlebro07 posted...
Still another couple weeks away at least

on one hand it doesnt look good at all for Chauvin

on the other it just takes one racist thin blue line asshole on the jury to fuck it up
It doesn't matter how shitty the defense's case is. It takes one juror to fuck the whole thing, and too many people think any violence that cops commit, especially on minorities, must be justified.

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BeyondWalls
04/09/21 11:31:29 AM
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The defense here is just getting buried. I keep waiting for him to make some kind of point, but he doesnt.

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CableZL
04/09/21 11:34:18 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
You forgot to mention the police surgeon testimony.

I missed this part because I had to mute parts for zoom meetings. I'll have to see if I can find it on youtube.

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Tyranthraxus
04/09/21 11:40:12 AM
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CableZL posted...
I missed this part because I had to mute parts for zoom meetings. I'll have to see if I can find it on youtube.

I gotchu @CableZL

The relevant timestamps are 6:16:00 through 6:22:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLVXFFqZPiE&t=22560


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CableZL
04/09/21 11:43:47 AM
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Nice, thanks. I'll check that out in a bit.

So yeah, any point the defense was trying to make in this case has been destroyed by now. My only worry, unless some medical examiner or expert the defense brings comes in and disagrees with everyone else, is one or more rogue jurors. We'll see how it goes.

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Musourenka
04/09/21 11:46:37 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
You forgot to mention the police surgeon testimony.


I can't help but think of this now:

https://youtu.be/CBTmawSkibc


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Laserion
04/09/21 11:47:03 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
You forgot to mention the police surgeon testimony.

Really?! The very first case of Ace Attorney predicted this!
https://youtu.be/CBTmawSkibc
Edit: Damn it 26 seconds!


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Ps2Twilight
04/09/21 11:49:40 AM
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PatrickMahomes
04/09/21 12:05:15 PM
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haven't brushed up on my law in a while so this is a dumb question, but if there is literally one juror who is dead set on going "not guilty" regardless of what happens and has happened throughout all this, A.) that's all it takes to get a not guilty on all charges, right? and B.) is there any sort of like, contempt charge or whatever if there is a juror who went in with their mind already made up on trying to let chaivun off the hook?

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Legato-and-Vash
04/09/21 12:09:25 PM
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PatrickMahomes posted...
haven't brushed up on my law in a while so this is a dumb question, but if there is literally one juror who is dead set on going "not guilty" regardless of what happens and has happened throughout all this, A.) that's all it takes to get a not guilty on all charges, right? and B.) is there any sort of like, contempt charge or whatever if there is a juror who went in with their mind already made up on trying to let chaivun off the hook?
I've been curious about this too.

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DarkBuster22904
04/09/21 12:19:18 PM
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PatrickMahomes posted...
haven't brushed up on my law in a while so this is a dumb question, but if there is literally one juror who is dead set on going "not guilty" regardless of what happens and has happened throughout all this, A.) that's all it takes to get a not guilty on all charges, right? and B.) is there any sort of like, contempt charge or whatever if there is a juror who went in with their mind already made up on trying to let chaivun off the hook?
More likely to just get a hung jury, in which case the case is a mistrial and we get to start all over again

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Tyranthraxus
04/09/21 12:38:03 PM
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Legato-and-Vash posted...
I've been curious about this too.

It used to vary by state with one a few allowing non unanimous juries but somewhere in the last few years SCOTUS ruled that juries must always be unanimous in criminal trials.

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Ricemills
04/09/21 12:50:12 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
You forgot to mention the police surgeon testimony.


is this real or just Ace Attorney meme?

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pinky0926
04/09/21 12:53:05 PM
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The problem is the defense only has to establish reasonable doubt. Stacked deck from the start, no matter how obvious the evidence.

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CableZL
04/09/21 12:53:25 PM
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This dude really just asked about whether sitting on a baseball on a church pew would cause bruising on your butt

What the hell

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PatrickMahomes
04/09/21 12:56:20 PM
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CableZL posted...
This dude really just asked about whether sitting on a baseball on a church pew would cause bruising on your butt


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BeyondWalls
04/09/21 1:08:59 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
The problem is the defense only has to establish reasonable doubt. Stacked deck from the start, no matter how obvious the evidence.
Well he aint even close to that yet. Ive not seen him introduce anything approaching reasonable doubt.

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DarkChozoGhost
04/09/21 1:25:44 PM
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There is no reasonable doubt, and only an extremely evil juror wouldn't find him guilty.

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Ricemills
04/09/21 1:42:52 PM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
There is no reasonable doubt, and only an extremely evil juror wouldn't find him guilty.

yeah but the question is still the same: will he be guilty of murder or manslaughter?

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Tyranthraxus
04/09/21 1:45:25 PM
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Ricemills posted...
is this real or just Ace Attorney meme?

Real check post #22 for the video @Ricemills

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CableZL
04/09/21 2:34:22 PM
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The one who did the autopsy is testifying now.

Dr. Andrew Baker.

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DepreceV2
04/09/21 2:34:58 PM
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Legato-and-Vash
04/09/21 2:50:54 PM
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Damn it I haven't been able to watch anything today. I have tech support of an antivirus remotes into my computer right now because my boss wants it set up in a certain way that I'm not even sure is possible.

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UnfairRepresent
04/09/21 2:51:57 PM
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CableZL posted...


Not sure where the defense can go from here.
"Derek is white and a cop. Floyd is black and did drugs."

Jury: "Hmm, let's think about this a moment."

Blam

It sucks but Derek is gonna walk.

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CableZL
04/09/21 2:52:29 PM
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Legato-and-Vash posted...
Damn it I haven't been able to watch anything today. I have tech support of an antivirus remotes into my computer right now because my boss wants it set up in a certain way that I'm not even sure is possible.

The only thing you've missed so far is a forensic pathologist pretty much agreeing with the autopsy report and further supporting the fact that George Floyd died as a result of the actions of the police officers.

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CableZL
04/09/21 2:54:42 PM
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"Why didn't you take a photo of George Floyd's heart while it was still intact?"
  • I don't normally take photos of organs that appear to be normal.

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04/09/21 2:55:15 PM
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bknight posted...
Wonder how long after the trial before Netflix documentary comes out.

there will probably be a Gina carano and Kevin sorbo movie where sorbo is good cop chauvin and Gina is some sort of victim that was saved from BLM violence by chauvin/sorbo. The movie would be full of lies and dog whistles and the likes of trump and crowder would tweet about it non stop

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Tyranthraxus
04/09/21 2:56:43 PM
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This is gonna shut down the heart attack defense argument for good.

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littlebro07
04/09/21 3:01:57 PM
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CableZL posted...
"Why didn't you take a photo of George Floyd's heart while it was still intact?"
* I don't normally take photos of organs that appear to be normal.

lmfao

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CobraGT
04/09/21 3:11:09 PM
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There is doubt and there is reasonable doubt. Each juror gets to decide that his doubt is reasonable.

The problem I see is that the evidence that Floyd died from lack of oxygen due to the police-applied restraints and not from an overdose of meth is technical. You have to listen closely and you have to think. How likely is this to happen?

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CableZL
04/09/21 3:24:10 PM
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I'm having to mute for a work meeting, damn it... Probably gonna have to watch this on youtube.

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