Poll of the Day > Controversial Opinion: There should be no billionaires

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Kanatteru 04/03/21 3:30:22 PM #1:	There is no legitimate way to become a billionaire, it is always done by taking from the people who actually produce capital. The very wealthy should be heavily taxed. Long-term, there should be a cap on net worth, with excess funds being taxed as well. The private sector cannot be relied on to solve issues themselves. Time and time again, they have failed to do so, and by their very existence they fail to do so by taking from their workers, causing the cycle of poverty to begin again. Thoughts? --- despair-inducing <cite>Kanatteru posted [p:952427837] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>There is no legitimate way to become a billionaire, it is always done by taking from the people who actually produce capital. The very wealthy should be heavily taxed. Long-term, there should be a cap on net worth, with excess funds being taxed as well. The private sector cannot be relied on to solve issues themselves. Time and time again, they have failed to do so, and by their very existence they fail to do so by taking from their workers, causing the cycle of poverty to begin again. Thoughts? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jen0125 04/03/21 3:37:20 PM #2:	Yes --- https://imgur.com/4ihiyS2 "I am not gay! Can't you get that through your head? I am very much aroused at the site of a naked woman!" - Dan0429 <cite>Jen0125 posted [p:952428040] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Yes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EclairReturns 04/03/21 3:37:43 PM #3:	Kanatteru posted... it is always done by taking from the people who actually produce capital What about that Bill Gates bloke? --- Number XII: Larxene. The Organization's Savage Nymph. <cite>EclairReturns posted [p:952428048] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kanatteru posted...</cite> <quote>it is always done by taking from the people who actually produce capital</quote> What about that Bill Gates bloke?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 04/03/21 3:40:23 PM #4:	EclairReturns posted... What about that Bill Gates bloke? While Bill Gates is probably one of the most ethical billionaires alive today, he didn't get where he is through good behavior. --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:952428132] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>EclairReturns posted... </cite> <quote>What about that Bill Gates bloke?</quote>While Bill Gates is probably one of the most ethical billionaires alive today, he didn't get where he is through good behavior. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Njord 04/03/21 3:43:08 PM #5:	The wealthy should be taxed, but their wealth shouldn't be capped at a limit. If some members of the wealthy community don't want to help solve issues, that's their choice. They shouldn't be forced to help others. The choice of helping others should come from within them, not by society or government. There are plenty of ways to become ethical billionaires. It may not be as quick as the unethical routes, but you can, over time, accrue a vast wealth through through ethical means. <cite>Njord posted [p:952428227] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>The wealthy should be taxed, but their wealth shouldn't be capped at a limit. If some members of the wealthy community don't want to help solve issues, that's their choice. They shouldn't be forced to help others. The choice of helping others should come from within them, not by society or government. There are plenty of ways to become ethical billionaires. It may not be as quick as the unethical routes, but you can, over time, accrue a vast wealth through through ethical means. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zareth 04/03/21 3:44:56 PM #6:	Njord posted... There are plenty of ways to become ethical billionaires. Inheriting money doesn't count. --- In my opinion, all slavery is wrong, even the really fancy kind - Mead <cite>Zareth posted [p:952428290] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Njord posted... </cite> <quote>There are plenty of ways to become ethical billionaires.</quote>Inheriting money doesn't count. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 04/03/21 3:52:55 PM #7:	Njord posted... There are plenty of ways to become ethical billionaires. It may not be as quick as the unethical routes, but you can, over time, accrue a vast wealth through through ethical means. No --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:952428539] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Njord posted... </cite> <quote>There are plenty of ways to become ethical billionaires. It may not be as quick as the unethical routes, but you can, over time, accrue a vast wealth through through ethical means.</quote>No </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 04/03/21 3:54:34 PM #8:	Njord posted... There are plenty of ways to become ethical billionaires. List them. --- YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano <cite>Mead posted [p:952428589] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Njord posted... </cite> <quote>There are plenty of ways to become ethical billionaires.</quote> List them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HornedLion 04/03/21 3:57:35 PM #9:	Preach it! --- I'm actually really enjoying GodFall. <cite>HornedLion posted [p:952428674] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Preach it! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 04/03/21 4:03:04 PM #10:	Bill Gates literally got his wealth from being a thief while simultaneously forcing out competition. He rebranded himself as a philanthropist but I think its naive to think he cares about people. It's all to line his pockets <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:952428871] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Bill Gates literally got his wealth from being a thief while simultaneously forcing out competition. He rebranded himself as a philanthropist but I think its naive to think he cares about people. It's all to line his pockets </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kanatteru 04/03/21 4:22:24 PM #11:	Njord posted... They shouldn't be forced to help others. The choice of helping others should come from within them, not by society or government. I dont know how to tell you this, but helping others is why society exists. --- despair-inducing <cite>Kanatteru posted [p:952429487] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Njord posted... </cite> <quote>They shouldn't be forced to help others. The choice of helping others should come from within them, not by society or government.</quote> I dont know how to tell you this, but helping others is why society exists. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jbomb1234 04/03/21 4:38:57 PM #12:	There are many ways to become a billionaire. High risk investments. If you put 1 million in bitcoin was it was $1 or less you would be a billionaire right now many times over. Invest in small companies that grow into huge companies like Google or Amazon when they were small. Sell items we all use but very few provide A good example of this is something simple like a ball bearing, nails, filaments for light bulbs. You would be surprised how many things only a few people make but you could not live without them. Mining Any rare items like gold or oil can make you very rich if you own the property it is being mined on or selling the good after you mined it. Movies/AAA Video games/Music/Theme Parks Investing millions to make billions on entertainment. Pretty much everyone like some kind of entertainment. Gambling Vegas, do I really need to say more? There are a lot of ways to make billions if you have the capital to invest or can borrow the capital to invest. Just because the majority of people can't do it for one reason or another does not mean it should be illegal. Remember, every billionaire out there is a billionaire because you or someone you know bought their goods or services or they owned something rare that everyone needs. Do not criminalize making money. Yes certain practices should be illegal but until they are you can't blame people for doing everything that is legal. Now when they break they law the should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. That is why I did not put illegal stuff on the list like drug lord or mafia Don. Just to put it out there even if you made it illegal for someone to have over a billion dollars and lets assume they don't find loop holes, which they will, they would just leave the money in the company and you can't cap a companies earning unless your plan is to get rid of all big business and that is a plan I cannot back. They can do a lot of bad but they exist because they do something we need or want. No one and nothing is a billionaire without the financial consent of the people except the government who takes from all and blows most of it like a junky on a high. --- To Punish and Enslave Barricade My PSN name is jbomb1234 <cite>jbomb1234 posted [p:952430018] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>There are many ways to become a billionaire. High risk investments. If you put 1 million in bitcoin was it was $1 or less you would be a billionaire right now many times over. Invest in small companies that grow into huge companies like Google or Amazon when they were small. Sell items we all use but very few provide A good example of this is something simple like a ball bearing, nails, filaments for light bulbs. You would be surprised how many things only a few people make but you could not live without them. Mining Any rare items like gold or oil can make you very rich if you own the property it is being mined on or selling the good after you mined it. Movies/AAA Video games/Music/Theme Parks Investing millions to make billions on entertainment. Pretty much everyone like some kind of entertainment. Gambling Vegas, do I really need to say more? There are a lot of ways to make billions if you have the capital to invest or can borrow the capital to invest. Just because the majority of people can't do it for one reason or another does not mean it should be illegal. Remember, every billionaire out there is a billionaire because you or someone you know bought their goods or services or they owned something rare that everyone needs. Do not criminalize making money. Yes certain practices should be illegal but until they are you can't blame people for doing everything that is legal. Now when they break they law the should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. That is why I did not put illegal stuff on the list like drug lord or mafia Don. Just to put it out there even if you made it illegal for someone to have over a billion dollars and lets assume they don't find loop holes, which they will, they would just leave the money in the company and you can't cap a companies earning unless your plan is to get rid of all big business and that is a plan I cannot back. They can do a lot of bad but they exist because they do something we need or want. No one and nothing is a billionaire without the financial consent of the people except the government who takes from all and blows most of it like a junky on a high. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kanatteru 04/03/21 5:51:43 PM #13:	lot of things that are outrageous about this post but saying just gamble gg ez is perhaps the most buckwild --- despair-inducing <cite>Kanatteru posted [p:952432165] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>lot of things that are outrageous about this post but saying just gamble gg ez is perhaps the most buckwild </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 04/03/21 5:55:38 PM #14:	Kanatteru posted... lot of things that are outrageous about this post but saying just gamble gg ez is perhaps the most buckwild stop being lazy and use your bootstraps to just buy a million dollars of bitcoin 15 years ago --- YOU control the numbers of leches. -Sal Vulcano <cite>Mead posted [p:952432315] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Kanatteru posted... </cite> <quote>lot of things that are outrageous about this post but saying just gamble gg ez is perhaps the most buckwild</quote> stop being lazy and use your bootstraps to just buy a million dollars of bitcoin 15 years ago </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Roziebeatsme 04/03/21 5:55:54 PM #15:	"Billionaires" are welcome, if they give us some cash. --- Work on cracking Burnout Paradise Remastered! https://crackwatch.com/game/burnout-paradise-remastered <cite>Roziebeatsme posted [p:952432323] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>"Billionaires" are welcome, if they give us some cash. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eating4fun 04/03/21 6:00:34 PM #16:	But for real, could be in our lifetime, me thinks mega-corporations will eventually overtake/assume the role of government. --- Your palace may last forever, but my yurt can go anywhere. <cite>eating4fun posted [p:952432471] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>But for real, could be in our lifetime, me thinks mega-corporations will eventually overtake/assume the role of government. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kanatteru 04/03/21 6:29:43 PM #17:	Mead posted... stop being lazy and use your bootstraps to just buy a million dollars of bitcoin 15 years ago i shall ask father for a small loan of one million dollars --- despair-inducing <cite>Kanatteru posted [p:952433438] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>stop being lazy and use your bootstraps to just buy a million dollars of bitcoin 15 years ago</quote> i shall ask father for a small loan of one million dollars </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LaggnFragnLarry 04/03/21 6:36:09 PM #18:	ill buy a lotto ticket when its close to a billion <cite>LaggnFragnLarry posted [p:952433639] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>ill buy a lotto ticket when its close to a billion </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jbomb1234 04/03/21 6:47:56 PM #19:	Kanatteru posted... lot of things that are outrageous about this post but saying just gamble gg ez is perhaps the most buckwild I guess I do have to explain other wise people will pick the dumbest option. OWN A CASINO! --- To Punish and Enslave Barricade My PSN name is jbomb1234 <cite>jbomb1234 posted [p:952434004] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Kanatteru posted... </cite> <quote>lot of things that are outrageous about this post but saying just gamble gg ez is perhaps the most buckwild</quote> I guess I do have to explain other wise people will pick the dumbest option. OWN A CASINO! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CoorsLight 04/03/21 6:50:12 PM #20:	Here's a simple test. Think of any major large corporation. Let's say that Jeff Bezos cuts tens of thousands from the Amazon workforce, just totally guts it. What direction do you think his worth and the business starts going? Surely since he "earned" his billions, they'll be fine, right? Oh, wait... they won't? Huh, it's almost like nobody's labor is actually worth that much! Because you have to be fucking stupid to believe that someone alone (or a very small group of people) can be responsible for generating billions for their company. So why the hell are we okay with people being paid as if they do? <cite>CoorsLight posted [p:952434072] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Here's a simple test. Think of any major large corporation. Let's say that Jeff Bezos cuts tens of thousands from the Amazon workforce, just totally guts it. What direction do you think his worth and the business starts going? Surely since he "earned" his billions, they'll be fine, right? Oh, wait... they won't? Huh, it's almost like nobody's labor is actually worth that much! Because you have to be fucking stupid to believe that someone alone (or a very small group of people) can be responsible for generating billions for their company. So why the hell are we okay with people being paid as if they do? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 04/03/21 6:55:24 PM #21:	CoorsLight posted... Here's a simple test. Think of any major large corporation. Let's say that Jeff Bezos cuts tens of thousands from the Amazon workforce, just totally guts it. What direction do you think his worth and the business starts going? Surely since he "earned" his billions, they'll be fine, right? Oh, wait... they won't? Huh, it's almost like nobody's labor is actually worth that much! Because you have to be fucking stupid to believe that someone alone (or a very small group of people) can be responsible for generating billions for their company. So why the hell are we okay with people being paid as if they do? Im always curious about why companies are willing to shell out s much money (millions in some cases) as bonuses for executives, rather than risk losing them. Do investors really believe on some level that these individuals are irreplaceable? Or does it just become self destructive at some point to go against them? --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:952434236] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>CoorsLight posted... </cite> <quote>Here's a simple test. Think of any major large corporation. Let's say that Jeff Bezos cuts tens of thousands from the Amazon workforce, just totally guts it. What direction do you think his worth and the business starts going? Surely since he "earned" his billions, they'll be fine, right? Oh, wait... they won't? Huh, it's almost like nobody's labor is actually worth that much! Because you have to be fucking stupid to believe that someone alone (or a very small group of people) can be responsible for generating billions for their company. So why the hell are we okay with people being paid as if they do?</quote>Im always curious about why companies are willing to shell out s much money (millions in some cases) as bonuses for executives, rather than risk losing them. Do investors really believe on some level that these individuals are irreplaceable? Or does it just become self destructive at some point to go against them? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hospy 04/03/21 7:52:04 PM #22:	Blightzkrieg posted... Im always curious about why companies are willing to shell out s much money (millions in some cases) as bonuses for executives, rather than risk losing them. Do investors really believe on some level that these individuals are irreplaceable? Or does it just become self destructive at some point to go against them? It's the same reason why any company pays higher wages to its employees versus its competitors: because you want better employees. If you were some super amazing executive guy, and you had a choice between working for a guy paying you a million dollars versus a guy paying you ten million, which would you take? <cite>Hospy posted [p:952435964] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>Im always curious about why companies are willing to shell out s much money (millions in some cases) as bonuses for executives, rather than risk losing them. Do investors really believe on some level that these individuals are irreplaceable? Or does it just become self destructive at some point to go against them?</quote>It's the same reason why any company pays higher wages to its employees versus its competitors: because you want better employees. If you were some super amazing executive guy, and you had a choice between working for a guy paying you a million dollars versus a guy paying you ten million, which would you take? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 04/03/21 8:06:14 PM #23:	jbomb1234 posted... -snip- Did you really just suggest that mining is an ethical way to become a billionaire? Really? --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:952436347] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>jbomb1234 posted... </cite> <quote>-snip-</quote> Did you really just suggest that mining is an ethical way to become a billionaire? Really? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 04/03/21 8:33:02 PM #24:	There are paradigm shifts that are deserving of becoming a billionaire, such as inventing... electricity. But ya, such wealth is rare --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:952437036] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>There are paradigm shifts that are deserving of becoming a billionaire, such as inventing... electricity. But ya, such wealth is rare </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 04/03/21 8:35:00 PM #25:	Hospy posted... It's the same reason why any company pays higher wages to its employees versus its competitors: because you want better employees. If you were some super amazing executive guy, and you had a choice between working for a guy paying you a million dollars versus a guy paying you ten million, which would you take? Yes but you're missing the point of my post. Tons of companies are willing to pay their employees dogshit wages and benefits, because they don't actually give a shit about retaining quality employees (there are exceptions, but it's not the norm). This level of thinking very rarely extends to corporate level employees. --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:952437103] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Hospy posted... </cite> <quote>It's the same reason why any company pays higher wages to its employees versus its competitors: because you want better employees. If you were some super amazing executive guy, and you had a choice between working for a guy paying you a million dollars versus a guy paying you ten million, which would you take?</quote>Yes but you're missing the point of my post. Tons of companies are willing to pay their employees dogshit wages and benefits, because they don't actually give a shit about retaining quality employees (there are exceptions, but it's not the norm). This level of thinking very rarely extends to corporate level employees. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 04/03/21 9:24:03 PM #26:	Hospy posted... It's the same reason why any company pays higher wages to its employees versus its competitors: because you want better employees. If you were some super amazing executive guy, and you had a choice between working for a guy paying you a million dollars versus a guy paying you ten million, which would you take? Except this isn't the NFL or NBA, executives don't do shit --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:952438571] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Hospy posted... </cite> <quote>It's the same reason why any company pays higher wages to its employees versus its competitors: because you want better employees. If you were some super amazing executive guy, and you had a choice between working for a guy paying you a million dollars versus a guy paying you ten million, which would you take?</quote>Except this isn't the NFL or NBA, executives don't do shit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PunishedOni 04/03/21 9:37:45 PM #27:	there are many ways to become a billionare Invent a new piece of punctuation, such as the interrobang or the explanation mark You get .02 cents every time someone uses your puctuation -- imagine how much money the guy who invented the semicolon must have by now Become a world-class professional athlete, die, then become a world-class professional athlete again in your next life. Repeat 330 times The median NFL career earnings are about 3 million dollars over 3 years. Do that 400 times and youve got 1.2 billion dollars Gambling Vegas, do I really need to say more? --- my boyfriend has the highest single-season WAR/g/nmol in low-T baseball history <cite>PunishedOni posted [p:952438956] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>there are many ways to become a billionare Invent a new piece of punctuation, such as the interrobang or the explanation mark You get .02 cents every time someone uses your puctuation -- imagine how much money the guy who invented the semicolon must have by now Become a world-class professional athlete, die, then become a world-class professional athlete again in your next life. Repeat 330 times The median NFL career earnings are about 3 million dollars over 3 years. Do that 400 times and youve got 1.2 billion dollars Gambling Vegas, do I really need to say more? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hospy 04/03/21 10:05:07 PM #28:	Blightzkrieg posted... Yes but you're missing the point of my post. Tons of companies are willing to pay their employees dogshit wages and benefits, because they don't actually give a shit about retaining quality employees (there are exceptions, but it's not the norm). This level of thinking very rarely extends to corporate level employees. There is little need to retain quality employees at entry level positions because entry level positions can be filled by anyone. If Walmart decided to start paying its greeters $50 an hour, they could have some of the best greeters in the industry, but that's not going to translate to the company doing any better. Corporate officers get paid a lot because they have an enormous impact on the future of a company. If an Intel entry level guy messes up his job, nothing significant is going to happen to the company, but if the CEO messes up like Intel's previous CEO did, the company gets hit big. <cite>Hospy posted [p:952439706] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>Yes but you're missing the point of my post. Tons of companies are willing to pay their employees dogshit wages and benefits, because they don't actually give a shit about retaining quality employees (there are exceptions, but it's not the norm). This level of thinking very rarely extends to corporate level employees.</quote> There is little need to retain quality employees at entry level positions because entry level positions can be filled by anyone. If Walmart decided to start paying its greeters $50 an hour, they could have some of the best greeters in the industry, but that's not going to translate to the company doing any better. Corporate officers get paid a lot because they have an enormous impact on the future of a company. If an Intel entry level guy messes up his job, nothing significant is going to happen to the company, but if the CEO messes up like Intel's previous CEO did, the company gets hit big. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 04/03/21 10:22:00 PM #29:	Hospy posted... Corporate officers get paid a lot because they have an enormous impact on the future of a company. If an Intel entry level guy messes up his job, nothing significant is going to happen to the company, but if the CEO messes up like Intel's previous CEO did, the company gets hit big. But you don't need the best people for that. You just need people that don't suck. Heck, I wouldn't actually be surprised if holding incompetent execs accountable for their failures does more to motivate good company leadership than handing out bonuses like candy does, particularly where most of these execs are so rich already that an extra $10 million is functionally meaningless (the approximate equivalent of one of us finding a $20 bill). --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:952440232] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Hospy posted... </cite> <quote>Corporate officers get paid a lot because they have an enormous impact on the future of a company. If an Intel entry level guy messes up his job, nothing significant is going to happen to the company, but if the CEO messes up like Intel's previous CEO did, the company gets hit big.</quote> But you don't need the best people for that. You just need people that don't suck. Heck, I wouldn't actually be surprised if holding incompetent execs accountable for their failures does more to motivate good company leadership than handing out bonuses like candy does, particularly where most of these execs are so rich already that an extra $10 million is functionally meaningless (the approximate equivalent of one of us finding a $20 bill). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hospy 04/03/21 11:31:59 PM #30:	adjl posted... But you don't need the best people for that. You just need people that don't suck. "Need" probably isn't the greatest term for it. The business world is cutthroat. Small companies grow up and eat big companies because of leadership. All these big companies didn't just magically pop out of the ground huge and just need a stable hand at the helm. History is littered with big corporations that shriveled because of their leadership's inability to adapt. The obscenely huge pay amounts doesn't guarantee you'll get good people, but it gives you the best chance at getting and retaining quality people for the position. adjl posted... Heck, I wouldn't actually be surprised if holding incompetent execs accountable for their failures does more to motivate good company leadership than handing out bonuses like candy does, particularly where most of these execs are so rich already that an extra $10 million is functionally meaningless (the approximate equivalent of one of us finding a $20 bill). That's what performance based contracts are about. If the company does good, you do good. A punishment clause quite frankly would just make your job offer look terribly unappealing. <cite>Hospy posted [p:952442400] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>But you don't need the best people for that. You just need people that don't suck.</quote> "Need" probably isn't the greatest term for it. The business world is cutthroat. Small companies grow up and eat big companies because of leadership. All these big companies didn't just magically pop out of the ground huge and just need a stable hand at the helm. History is littered with big corporations that shriveled because of their leadership's inability to adapt. The obscenely huge pay amounts doesn't guarantee you'll get good people, but it gives you the best chance at getting and retaining quality people for the position. adjl posted... </cite> <quote>Heck, I wouldn't actually be surprised if holding incompetent execs accountable for their failures does more to motivate good company leadership than handing out bonuses like candy does, particularly where most of these execs are so rich already that an extra $10 million is functionally meaningless (the approximate equivalent of one of us finding a $20 bill).</quote> That's what performance based contracts are about. If the company does good, you do good. A punishment clause quite frankly would just make your job offer look terribly unappealing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kanatteru 04/04/21 3:11:41 PM #31:	bump --- despair-inducing <cite>Kanatteru posted [p:952461660] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>bump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nightwind 04/04/21 6:31:45 PM #32:	100% tax rate once your past 1 billion.... and a trophy "you won capitalism, congratulations" --- Nightwind "the wind has no destination" <cite>Nightwind posted [p:952467178] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>100% tax rate once your past 1 billion.... and a trophy "you won capitalism, congratulations" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
blu 04/04/21 7:10:24 PM #33:	At what point is it immoral to have employees? Small business hires an employee, is that immoral? They hire some more and then a manager, is that immoral? They hire some more and a manager of managers, is that immoral? There's nothing necessarily wrong with billionaires, but increasing baseline standard of living should be an area that's focused on. Amazon has half a billion employees. If they made Bezos a penny an hour he'd get a billion a year. It's not necessarily extracted wealth, you're hiring people to assist your decisions and taking a very small portion of what they make the company to the CEO. Most of it goes to the company itself. <cite>blu posted [p:952468243] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>At what point is it immoral to have employees? Small business hires an employee, is that immoral? They hire some more and then a manager, is that immoral? They hire some more and a manager of managers, is that immoral? There's nothing necessarily wrong with billionaires, but increasing baseline standard of living should be an area that's focused on. Amazon has half a billion employees. If they made Bezos a penny an hour he'd get a billion a year. It's not necessarily extracted wealth, you're hiring people to assist your decisions and taking a very small portion of what they make the company to the CEO. Most of it goes to the company itself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 04/04/21 7:24:44 PM #34:	blu posted... At what point is it immoral to have employees? Small business hires an employee, is that immoral? They hire some more and then a manager, is that immoral? They hire some more and a manager of managers, is that immoral? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:952468596] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>blu posted... </cite> <quote>At what point is it immoral to have employees? Small business hires an employee, is that immoral? They hire some more and then a manager, is that immoral? They hire some more and a manager of managers, is that immoral?</quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
blu 04/04/21 8:22:29 PM #36:	Blightzkrieg posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy <cite>blu posted [p:952470285] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy</quote> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CoorsLight 04/04/21 8:31:00 PM #37:	blu posted... Amazon has half a billion employees What <cite>CoorsLight posted [p:952470564] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>blu posted... </cite> <quote>Amazon has half a billion employees</quote> What </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 04/04/21 9:51:58 PM #38:	blu posted... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy I wasn't making an argument, just pointing out that yours is dogshit. You're literally committing an argument from fallacy in this very post lol --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:952473029] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>blu posted... </cite> <quote>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy</quote>I wasn't making an argument, just pointing out that yours is dogshit. You're literally committing an argument from fallacy in this very post lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hospy 04/04/21 10:45:18 PM #40:	Saying someone's argument is dogshit is an argument though, just not a very well phrased one. Just throwing out a "haha, you used (logical fallacy x)" is an incredibly lazy argument though. <cite>Hospy posted [p:952474553] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Saying someone's argument is dogshit is an argument though, just not a very well phrased one. Just throwing out a "haha, you used (logical fallacy x)" is an incredibly lazy argument though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 04/04/21 11:19:11 PM #41:	--- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:952475429] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 04/04/21 11:22:53 PM #42:	Hospy posted... Saying someone's argument is dogshit is an argument though, just not a very well phrased one. Just throwing out a "haha, you used (logical fallacy x)" is an incredibly lazy argument though. If they used a fallacy as their sole argument, it's sufficient proof that their argument is dogshit. I don't need to rewrite LotR from scratch to prove that Sauron lost. You may not be lazy, but you're trying really hard to be wrong. --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:952475533] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Hospy posted... </cite> <quote>Saying someone's argument is dogshit is an argument though, just not a very well phrased one. Just throwing out a "haha, you used (logical fallacy x)" is an incredibly lazy argument though.</quote>If they used a fallacy as their sole argument, it's sufficient proof that their argument is dogshit. I don't need to rewrite LotR from scratch to prove that Sauron lost. You may not be lazy, but you're trying really hard to be wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
argonautweakend 04/04/21 11:31:27 PM #43:	Warren Buffet is an ethical billionaire. all he does is sit in a chair and decide if things like "GM at 15" and "us steel at 21" mean anything to him <cite>argonautweakend posted [p:952475755] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Warren Buffet is an ethical billionaire. all he does is sit in a chair and decide if things like "GM at 15" and "us steel at 21" mean anything to him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hospy 04/04/21 11:36:57 PM #44:	Blightzkrieg posted... If they used a fallacy as their sole argument, it's sufficient proof that their argument is dogshit. I don't need to rewrite LotR from scratch to prove that Sauron lost. You may not be lazy, but you're trying really hard to be wrong. Sure, but if you're going to argue that he's using a fallacy in his argument, the onus is on you to substantiate that it's a fallacy and hence why it is wrong. <cite>Hospy posted [p:952475893] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>If they used a fallacy as their sole argument, it's sufficient proof that their argument is dogshit. I don't need to rewrite LotR from scratch to prove that Sauron lost. You may not be lazy, but you're trying really hard to be wrong.</quote> Sure, but if you're going to argue that he's using a fallacy in his argument, the onus is on you to substantiate that it's a fallacy and hence why it is wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 04/04/21 11:38:00 PM #45:	So what happens to things worth more than a billion dollars? If you own a pro sports team are you fucked? --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:952475918] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>So what happens to things worth more than a billion dollars? If you own a pro sports team are you fucked? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kanatteru 04/04/21 11:39:24 PM #46:	Muscles posted... So what happens to things worth more than a billion dollars? If you own a pro sports team are you fucked? yes, exactly --- despair-inducing <cite>Kanatteru posted [p:952475965] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Muscles posted... </cite> <quote>So what happens to things worth more than a billion dollars? If you own a pro sports team are you fucked?</quote> yes, exactly </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blightzkrieg 04/04/21 11:48:27 PM #47:	Hospy posted... Sure, but if you're going to argue that he's using a fallacy in his argument, the onus is on you to substantiate that it's a fallacy and hence why it is wrong. Can you fucking read dude --- https://imgur.com/1XbPahR <cite>Blightzkrieg posted [p:952476203] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Hospy posted... </cite> <quote>Sure, but if you're going to argue that he's using a fallacy in his argument, the onus is on you to substantiate that it's a fallacy and hence why it is wrong.</quote>Can you fucking read dude </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hospy 04/05/21 1:04:00 AM #48:	Blightzkrieg posted... Can you fucking read dude I'm not going make your arguments for you, buddy. <cite>Hospy posted [p:952477957] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Blightzkrieg posted... </cite> <quote>Can you fucking read dude</quote>I'm not going make your arguments for you, buddy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 04/05/21 2:46:06 AM #49:	Kanatteru posted... yes, exactly Ban sports? --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:952479677] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Kanatteru posted...</cite> <quote> yes, exactly </quote> Ban sports?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FatalAccident 04/05/21 4:27:06 AM #50:	Kanatteru posted... there should be a cap on net worth Disagree, a cap on net worth is the worst idea when it comes to this. Higher taxes yes, but a cap on net worth will have such a disincentive, not only will all the billionaires and potential brains move out of the country instituting a cap, but there is no motivation for companies to compete and provide better services/products if they know they're capped. Once the company or person reaches the limit, they'll just sit there complacent otherwise what's the point? Net worth cap doesn't solve the issue, much like anything else, the underlying issues you're trying to solve are more complex and need more than just a flat net worth cap as a silver bullet. --- walks away <cite>FatalAccident posted [p:952480900] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Kanatteru posted... </cite> <quote>there should be a cap on net worth</quote>Disagree, a cap on net worth is the worst idea when it comes to this. Higher taxes yes, but a cap on net worth will have such a disincentive, not only will all the billionaires and potential brains move out of the country instituting a cap, but there is no motivation for companies to compete and provide better services/products if they know they're capped. Once the company or person reaches the limit, they'll just sit there complacent otherwise what's the point? Net worth cap doesn't solve the issue, much like anything else, the underlying issues you're trying to solve are more complex and need more than just a flat net worth cap as a silver bullet. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 04/05/21 7:52:36 AM #51:	FatalAccident posted... move out of the country This argument doesn't hold since there is not a single domestic billionaire and never has been --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:952483371] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>FatalAccident posted... </cite> <quote>move out of the country </quote> This argument doesn't hold since there is not a single domestic billionaire and never has been </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FatalAccident 04/05/21 8:03:27 AM #52:	Lokarin posted... This argument doesn't hold since there is not a single domestic billionaire and never has been What? --- walks away <cite>FatalAccident posted [p:952483534] in Controvers... [t:79385508]...</cite> <quote>Lokarin posted... </cite> <quote>This argument doesn't hold since there is not a single domestic billionaire and never has been</quote>What? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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