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EricDraven59
03/31/21 6:48:40 PM
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So you're telling me that a 6ft 4in Black man who was going about his day, able to drive, pick up items from the store, and walk straight, was gonna drop dead at that exact moment even if he didn't have this interaction and a cop hold his knee into his neck for 9 minutes? That the police officer had NOTHING to do with his death and that this man was just going to magically drop dead anyways?..

Anyways though this bodycam stuff is crazy. I have a belief now that floyd was experiencing a bad panic attack because of his past history with police. He does not look like someone overdosing on drugs. He is totally clear with his words and his actions are similar to a person who both have claustrophobia and a lot of anxiety. It might look to some like he is resisting arrest but he his movements are not purposefully done to hurt a cop or escape, they are from his panic attack and disbelief in the situation. I hate everyone of these damn cops. by the way when the old black man was crying and george floyd was calling for his mother made my mom cry a lot.
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HaVeNII7
03/31/21 6:49:44 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
Violence is never the answer shut the hell up.
No, it sometimes really is the answer. When all other avenues fail, violence is what remains. Let me ask you this. How many have to lay down and be hurt before violence becomes acceptable? One? Five? Ten? To just suck it up, and accept that they are to be treated as less?

When a people are consistently shown that they can be brutalized with no repercussion, lashing out is inevitable. Just a matter of time. If a hundred people have to get hurt to provide equal treatment to over ten percent of the country, then that violence becomes a necessary action.

Thats why it is so important to make sure it never gets to that point in the first place.

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Houston
03/31/21 6:52:04 PM
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HaVeNII7 posted...
Yes. I would also defend my home if I had to. But it doesnt change the fact that the riots need to happen, if he gets off free. Its bigger than me, you, or any person.

When the legislature fails, the protests fail, and the peacekeepers fail, theres no other avenue to take than brute force. Until those in charge are forced to listen. And at that point, violence is often the answer.

That is why it is CRUCIAL to listen to the publics outcries BEFORE it gets to that point!

We have a justice system in place that is working its course and we should respect the outcome. If people don't agree with the outcome, I will say that there is no perfect justice system and ours is about as good as you can get.

We don't have lynch mobs anymore. That's not how it works.

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Kloe_Rinz
03/31/21 6:53:04 PM
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Houston posted...
We have a justice system in place that is working its course and we should respect the outcome. If people don't agree with the outcome, I will say that there is no perfect justice system and ours is about as good as you can get.

We don't have lynch mobs anymore. That's not how it works.
The riots occur because of a failure of the justice system. How can you call that as good as you can get?
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Orchestrion
03/31/21 6:54:34 PM
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Kloe_Rinz posted...
The riots occur because of a failure of the justice system. How can you call that as good as you can get?

Look at who youre responding to before asking why he thinks the justice system is working exactly as intended.

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Houston
03/31/21 6:54:57 PM
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Kloe_Rinz posted...
The riots occur because of a failure of the justice system. How can you call that as good as you can get?

How did the justice system fail? Prosecutors found charges and he was charged within a week... which is actually pretty quick compared to A LOT of cases. We are now holding a trial to determine if he should be found guilty or innocent.

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The_Critic
03/31/21 6:56:04 PM
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No global outcry. At best China and Russia will latch onto as a chance to make US look bad and a few western nations will give a tut-tut.

im guessing virtually every large city in the US has demonstrations and between 5 and 20 have violence / rioting / looting
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Cobalt_Wasps
03/31/21 7:07:42 PM
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global, no
local, yes

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EricDraven59
03/31/21 7:31:09 PM
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Chauvin is facing 2nd degree murder and 3rd degree murder and manslaughter. There's no way he will walk from all charges.
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Kastrada
03/31/21 7:34:36 PM
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Houston posted...
We don't have lynch mobs anymore. That's not how it works.

Except for the literally lynching in Atlanta

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ohiostate124
03/31/21 7:36:56 PM
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EricDraven59 posted...
Chauvin is facing 2nd degree murder and 3rd degree murder and manslaughter. There's no way he will walk from all charges.
They will still riot if its only manslaughter.
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Mr_Karate_II
03/31/21 7:40:04 PM
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Riots should happen, that's the only way people in charge listen. It shouldn't get to that point but when those in charge don't listen and nothing else gets them to listen then riots are the only answer.


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Taharqa_
03/31/21 7:42:31 PM
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Conflict posted...
The dude wasn't even charged until after riots took place. He immediately got sent home to sit in his house and order pizza.

And he wouldn't have been charged had it not been for the video that the teenage girl took.

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ohiostate124
03/31/21 7:42:43 PM
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Conflict posted...
The dude wasn't even charged until after riots took place. He immediately got sent home to sit in his house and order pizza.
Maybe it didnt move fast enough for you but thats too bad. The justice system is still working properly here.
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EricDraven59
03/31/21 7:44:07 PM
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ohiostate124 posted...
They will still riot if its only manslaughter.
I dont agree that manslaughter should be the only charge he is convicted of. But if thats all the jury sticks on him that is still 5 to 10 years in prison. It doesn't sound like a long time but 1 day in prison feels like its an eternity. And if he goes into general population, doubt any inmate will befriend him and most will want to do bad things to him, and some inmates will attempt to
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Mr_Karate_II
03/31/21 7:45:06 PM
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ohiostate124 posted...
Maybe it didnt move fast enough for you but thats too bad. The justice system is still working properly here.
That isn't working properly, if it worked properly then it wouldn't have took a week to charge him. He sat at home after killing a man..that IS NOT a proper working justice system.

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GallisOTK
03/31/21 7:45:32 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
Violence is never the answer shut the hell up.

Violence wasn't the answer when cops were called on George Floyd either, but the cops did it anyway by kneeling on his neck and killing him when it wasn't necessary.
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ohiostate124
03/31/21 7:45:55 PM
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EricDraven59 posted...
I dont agree that manslaughter should be the only charge he is convicted of. But if thats all the jury sticks on him that is still 5 to 10 years in prison. It doesn't sound like a long time but 1 day in prison feels like its an eternity. And if he goes into general population, doubt any inmate will befriend him and most will want to do bad things to him, and some inmates will attempt to
Have you been in prison?
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ohiostate124
03/31/21 7:46:43 PM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
That isn't working properly, if it worked properly then it wouldn't have took a week to charge him. He sat at home after killing a man..that IS NOT a proper working justice system.
Its complicated and it took some time but it happened. Its working properly.
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unclekoolaid73
03/31/21 7:47:50 PM
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There will be rioting regardless of the verdicts outcome. Just watch.

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St0rmFury
03/31/21 7:49:13 PM
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Remember how they vilified Kaepernick when he protested non-violently?
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Mr_Karate_II
03/31/21 7:50:03 PM
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ohiostate124 posted...
Its complicated and it took some time but it happened. Its working properly.
No it's not, quit defending a shit just system. If I or anyone else did what he did, we would have been arrested and charged that same day. The ONLY reason he wasn't charged til a week later is because he's a cop. Even then he was charged after there was rioting.

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Inferno Dive Dragoon
03/31/21 7:53:21 PM
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If he walks, riots will be fair and justified.
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HiddenRoar
03/31/21 7:58:59 PM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
If I or anyone else did what he did, we would have been arrested and charged that same day.

Because you're not in a occupation that allows the use of deadly force.

And if you aren't aware, the usual course of action when deadly force is used by police is an internal investigation, not an immediate arrest and prosecution for "murder/manslaughter".

A soldier that kills a person while in a firefight is not immediately put on trial either.
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Zeus
03/31/21 7:59:42 PM
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No, because outside the US most people have never heard of him. And even in the US, a lot of people don't know his name.

And "gets off scott free" suggests wrongdoing. The trial specifically exists to determine wrongdoing.

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ohiostate124
03/31/21 8:00:00 PM
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HiddenRoar posted...
Because you're not in a occupation that allows the use of deadly force.

And if you aren't aware, the usual course of action when deadly force is used by police is an internal investigation, not an immediate arrest and prosecution for "murder/manslaughter".

A soldier that kills a person while in a firefight is not immediately put on trial either.
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skermac
03/31/21 8:11:02 PM
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Zeus posted...
No, because outside the US most people have never heard of him. And even in the US, a lot of people don't know his name.

And "gets off scott free" suggests wrongdoing. The trial specifically exists to determine wrongdoing.

if he gtoff its the prosecutions fault for not proving he is guilty

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littlebro07
03/31/21 8:12:54 PM
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ohiostate124 posted...
They dont need to try anything. Dont break the law.

@ohiostate124 what law did Elijah McClain break again?

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St0rmFury
03/31/21 8:13:57 PM
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What law did Daniel Shaver or John Crawford break again?
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ohiostate124
03/31/21 8:14:58 PM
#83:


littlebro07 posted...
@ohiostate124 what law did Elijah McClain break again?
What law did David Dorn break?
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Taharqa_
03/31/21 8:15:58 PM
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littlebro07 posted...
@ohiostate124 what law did Elijah McClain break again?

Don't feed him.

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littlebro07
03/31/21 8:18:21 PM
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ohiostate124 posted...
What law did David Dorn break?

Thats what I thought :)

Taharqa_ posted...
Don't feed him.

I was just curious if hed take the mask off or not.


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EricDraven59
03/31/21 8:26:45 PM
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@ohiostate124 did you get my PM? Write me back if you can. I wanted to let you know about my responses at certain things
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Sir Will
03/31/21 8:31:32 PM
#87:


jstewart01 posted...
will there be global outrage?
Yes. There will be demonstrations everywhere probably and definitely riots in the US.

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jumi
03/31/21 8:48:40 PM
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Murder in response to riots: okay

Riots in response to murder: UNACCEPTABLE!

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mach25687
04/01/21 12:35:13 PM
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Yes, and what makes it worse is that if he gets off scot-free that means that Kyle kid is going to go scot-free too.

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Ilishe
04/01/21 1:06:38 PM
#90:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
Are you expecting looting to not happen during anarchy? Its an unfortunate side effect due to the actions of the police and the government.

Right on.

I hope they hit your home first.

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legendary_zell
04/01/21 1:24:34 PM
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Why wouldn't there be global outrage? There was before, there will be again. Hopefully, none of this is relevant and he is convicted.

It's also telling that CE is much more concerned about stores than about the message about whether the state is accountable for the violence it does to you or whether black lives have value and are protected.

You are the white moderates MLK Jr. dunked on.

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Duncanwii
04/01/21 1:26:21 PM
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The people in this topic advocating for arson and looting need to be banned. Or at the very least suspended.
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Inferno Dive Dragoon
04/03/21 4:49:32 AM
#93:


Duncanwii posted...
The people in this topic advocating for arson and looting need to be banned. Or at the very least suspended.


What a coincidence, most of us would be glad if you got suspended or banned too.
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